[Serial_Worrier]

You think you're gonna hide out on some Polynesian eco-village paradise? Think again, well armed pirates WILL find a way to your little abode and massacre you and your loved ones down to the last man.

[SeaGypsy]

Ouch! Really what crap....

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mesuge', 'F')urryBill> Even the plain fact that most of the Transition Town groupings avoid this discussion as a plaque is rather telling..

SeaGypsy> Agree, as we touched upon these relatively pristine beyond frontier outposts numerous times before. However, being realistic there are only handfull of micro-regions not yet messed up completely in terms of favorable climate (and diseases) which wouldn't kill a westerner in short order. And I discount the "agriculture" question completely, because most of the globe has been destroyed in past centuries via errosion from these over saturated settlement outposts already. These places are without fossil intake (to keep sanitary/fresh water/.. standards) a hell hole and it doesn't matter much was it originally dutch, french or british plantation colony related area. Frankly, I went through scouting for this very option, and in the end it's a dead end, too many people and/or harvesting-mining industries nearby or what you seem to suggest a crazy little hilly outpost (by the active volcano) all and all thousands nm away from everything. Facing these results, in my view it seems much more appealing to duke it out (futile prospects or not) e.g. in northern Europe or NA.

Not starting another topic on dedicated seavoyaging/trading plan though, in order to trade from your landlocked paradise outpost you have to have a surplus. To get a surplus you have to "terraform" (albeit on smaller scale and using as low impact methods as possible) your immediate surroundings to begin with, do it in the rainforrest area and it's either with no extra yield (so not suitable for trade but enough for a family/small clan without pop explosion plans). Or you are just left cornered into position starting another viscious cycle of plantation mania on your former paradise lot, which I've no intent doing at all. The truth is, as shown on historic accounts and plain sight that the 99% probability outcome of such dilema usually ends up with another freakin plantation setting, which sooner or later turns that paradise into another overpopulated and finally de-populated empty bare rocky hell hole..

[Serial_Worrier]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'B')ig picture ecological concerns will be of no consequence when the game ends. It will come down to survival. I have no idea if this will happen in 10 years or 30, but it will happen. I don't expect may folks to start thinking like me and I don't care what people choose to do with their personal 'end time'.
But please don't try and b/s me about what this part of the world is like when you haven't been here. It's not paradise but it's big and has relatively tiny population relative to natural resources. When megalopolis can no longer afford to send diesel powered factory fishing ships all over the world, these resources will increase. Personally I would rather die at sea trying to get to NZ (for example) than the slow death of an intern camp. Each to their own.

[JohnRM]

I definitely think that if there some kind of sudden crash, that is exactly what you'd see. Vast rural and wilderness areas would be abandoned, with little or no emergency services available. I think that there is also a significant chance that Texas declares independence, at some point. After that, who knows how the dominoes fall, but I suspect we'd see mass migrations out of Arizona, New Mexico, and Utah. But, all this would take a seriously catastrophic event, like the collapse of the Saudi regime or nuclear war in the middle east.

[ralfy]

The likely scenario is that they will look like villages in poor countries, i.e., with poor government services and infrastructure, heavy reliance on localization, health problems, etc.

[Mesuge]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'I') don't expect may folks to start thinking like me and I don't care what people choose to do with their personal 'end time'. But please don't try and b/s me about what this part of the world is like when you haven't been here. It's not paradise but it's big and has relatively tiny population relative to natural resources.

[vision-master]

Are 'we' all just rationalizing our mortality here?

Even if you're 40, many ppl are dead and gone by their early 60's. What's 20 years time?

[Serial_Worrier]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'A')re 'we' all just rationalizing our mortality here?

Even if you're 40, many ppl are dead and gone by their early 60's. What's 20 years time?

[Revi]

We talk about security at our Transition meetings. I think here in Central Maine we are outside of the economy for the most part, so we understand that when TSHTF we will have to deal with our own security. A lot of us have to deal with it now. There are people stealing copper all the time and we have learned how to install cameras, etc. I think we need to learn how to hold a small community, or we're going to lose it.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'A')re 'we' all just rationalizing our mortality here?

Even if you're 40, many ppl are dead and gone by their early 60's. What's 20 years time?

[vision-master]

"A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. The true value of a human being is determined by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self. We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive."

Albert Einstein, 1954

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mesuge', '
')Clearly my repeatedly stated intent is not to b/s you here, / Sorry to state it again, simply this planet has been already crippled down, everywhere! And we can select only among the bad, very bad and insane location choices and it doesn't matter whether it's a nomadic or stay put location strategy..

[SeaGypsy]

I do know that, just as I know the fast majority of people will NOT leave their comfort zone until/ unless it becomes intolerable/ impossible.
I have a much greater faith in humanity being able to trancend what is coming than most posters here do. I am not at all discounting dieoff or my likely role in it. I do believe that some communities will find a way to thrive beyond the oil age. I also believe nature is taking back control over our mortality, we will not only mostly die when oil runs out, we will die a lot quicker and easier.

Meanwhile, there is really nothing better to do than try to transition. Regardless of methodology, place or circumstance.

[Crusty]

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