[Pops]

This will make you feel better:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;I want to clarify that my administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens," Obama said in a statement Saturday. "Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a nation."

[IndigoMoon]

I'm absolutely sick over this. And he waited until he was in Hawaii on NYE no less. Happy F'ing 2012 everyone. Welcome to the United Police States.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'S')o, when do the round ups and exicutions begin?

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'T')his will make you feel better:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;I want to clarify that my administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens," Obama said in a statement Saturday. "Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a nation."

[eXpat]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'T')his will make you feel better:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;I want to clarify that my administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens," Obama said in a statement Saturday. "Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a nation."

[AgentR11]

Well, obviously, the lefties like Pops, et al, need not be terribly concerned. You don't disappear your supporters after all.

With this law in place, I'll feel much safer if Romney, Gingrich, or Paul wins! At least I'll be in the correct party then.

[rangerone314]

If by some fracking miracle Ron Paul wins the GOP nomination, I will vote for him in 2012. This would be the first person I voted for since Perot in 1992.

I seriously think at this point we need to try and organize a Constitutional convention.

[Pops]

Legislators who didn't vote for or voted against the Patriot or NDAA

[eXpat]

The Huffington Post doesn't mince words in this article:
Obama Signs Defense Bill Despite 'Serious Reservations'
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]WASHINGTON -- Indefinite military detention of Americans became the law of the land Saturday, as President Barack Obama signed a defense bill that codified that authority, even as he said he would not use it.

The National Defense Authorization Act states how the military is to be funded, but also includes a number of controversial provisions on arresting and holding suspected terrorists, which at first drove Obama to threaten a veto.

He retreated from that threat after Congress added provisions that took the ultimate authority to detain suspects from the military's hands and gave it to the president. Congress also clarified that civilian law enforcement agencies -- such as the FBI -- would still have authority to investigate terrorism and added a provision that asserts nothing in the detention measures changes current law regarding U.S. citizens.

Still, the signing on New Year's Eve as few people were paying attention angered civil liberties advocates, who argue that the law for the first time spells out certain measures that have not actually been tested all the way to the Supreme Court, including the possibility of detaining citizens in military custody without trial for as long as there is a war on terror.

"President Obama's action today is a blight on his legacy because he will forever be known as the president who signed indefinite detention without charge or trial into law,” said Anthony Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union.

"The statute is particularly dangerous because it has no temporal or geographic limitations, and can be used by this and future presidents to militarily detain people captured far from any battlefield," Romero added. "The ACLU will fight worldwide detention authority wherever we can, be it in court, in Congress or internationally.”

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', '
')Who knows pal, You may have to be worried about this admistration as well!.
Happy New Year!

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'B')etter take a look at this then go to the ACLU site and send a message:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he U.S. Senate is considering the unthinkable: changing detention laws to imprison people — including Americans living in the United States itself — indefinitely and without charge.

The Defense Authorization bill — a "must-pass" piece of legislation — is headed to the Senate floor with troubling provisions that would give the President — and all future presidents — the authority to indefinitely imprison people, without charge or trial, both abroad and inside the United States.

If enacted, sections 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA would:

1) Explicitly authorize the federal government to indefinitely imprison without charge or trial American citizens and others picked up inside and outside the United States;

(2) Mandate military detention of some civilians who would otherwise be outside of military control, including civilians picked up within the United States itself; and

(3) Transfer to the Department of Defense core prosecutorial, investigative, law enforcement, penal, and custodial authority and responsibility now held by the Department of Justice.

[eXpat]

Well, I'll be damned , Hi Rocc, everybody is showing up for 2012!

[Newfie]

Somewhere earlier today I saw a really great quote and now I can't find it. I thought it was this thread but I guess no.

It was, IIRC, from a past US Supreme Court Chief Justice. To paraphrase broadly.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')There is a period between normalcy and tyranny when all seems well but the civil liberties have been eroded. We must keep a constant eye out to watch for this erosion and do all we can to stop it whenever it raises its head.

[Cog]

Our Congress no longer cares what we think or if a law is even close to being constitutional. We live under fascism right now. The iron hammer of the state is wrapped in velvet for now but it won't be for long.

[PrestonSturges]

OK so the law says this?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')
b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

[Cloud9]

Preston when the ACLU and members of the Tea Party are on the same page, that would cause me to suspect their combined take on the law is probably correct. I know it must be heart breaking that a liberal, black constitutional scholar signed away your civil liberties, but that appears to be exactly what has happened. We now live in a police state.

"In his last official act of business in 2011, President Barack Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act from his vacation rental in Kailua, Hawaii. In a statement, the president said he did so with reservations about key provisions in the law — including a controversial component that would allow the military to indefinitely detain terror suspects, including American citizens arrested in the United States, without charge."

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... -citizens/

[PrestonSturges]

OK, I asked a question, you didn't respond.....

[Cog]

There is no requirement for the military to detain US citizens. However it is allowed.

Does that clarify the situation for you?

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')here is no requirement for the military to detain US citizens. However it is allowed.
Does that clarify the situation for you?

[Cog]

Review the 4th Circuit court of Appeals Jose Padilla v Rumsfeld where it was held that Padilla, a US citizen could be detained indefintely by the US military. The fact he was later transferred to the civilian court system was not ordered by the Court but by political pressure brought on GWB.

What this latest NDAA does is codify that the USA is now designated as a battlefield and its entirely within the executive branches power to determine what is a terrorist and what is not on US soil. It mandates the military detention of any person with ties to a terrorist group or associated with one.

What you see as an exclusion for US citizens:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.