[sparky]

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I came to the site for factual discutions , there used to be a lot of technically smart people
a fair few have been pushed off by the language and occasional abuse.

the core of the site is crude ,past present and future , other energies ,
the way it link through the financial markets and society
the associated politics and pressure groups

I believe the global warming threads are parasitic , like on many other sites
in some sense it's contradictory to Peak oil and peak carbon
the proponents are very blinkered and are some of the foulest and rudest around

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'I') don't know what the next Golden Age will be like, but I think it is a looonnnggg ways off (none of us will see it).

[Fishman]

Oh pashaw to all of you. Hein, we fought tooth and nail in the past and I'm glad you're back. Your seasonal posts were great, start another one up. The fights were just as bad 5 years ago. Europe is collapsing from peak oil issues, the middle east is in flames. Seems like lots to talk about.
I was just looking up organic sources of phos and potash earlier tonight. Anybody peed in their garden lately? Anybody read Rawl's survival blog lately?
And who could forget the cannibalism threads?

[Ferretlover]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'I') don't know what the next Golden Age will be like, but I think it is a looonnnggg ways off (none of us will see it).

[Loki]

This thread made me take a harder look at the “Active Topics” page. I think I was too harsh in my earlier dismissal of the general content of this board, there are a lot of really good threads on energy issues, the economic crisis, climate change, and the like. Good macro-level stuff. Plenty of useful news links. Really not that many threads on partisan issues of the day.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'A')nd who could forget the cannibalism threads?

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'O')h pashaw to all of you. Hein, we fought tooth and nail in the past and I'm glad you're back.

[Ibon]

I resonate with most of the comments here. AgentR11 mentioned how real change happens slowly. That may explain a major change in this sites orientation compared to the lively and heated debate say 4 years back when at any moment TSWHTF.

We thought, falsely, that peak oil was a near term game changer that would impose transition unlike the environmental movement in the 70's that was ideological rather than consequence driven.

But the consequences have been a lot slower in coming in spite of all the analysis that we have gone over on this site for the past several years.

This site felt like the cutting edge back then and we were the privileged ones with a head start on a cultural shift that would force world wide capitulation.

I was around as an activist and adult during the environmental movement of the 70's. I am experiencing a little bit of a deja vu at the moment having to consider that once again BAU will continue unabated down its resilient path.

I still pee in my garden all the time. This started years ago when I would pee while walking sideways on my row of pineapples in my back yard in Florida.

[SGV]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '(')...)
How do you sell, "permaculture for survival", when the presently employed professional suburb dweller (original target audience) looks at his company, realizes he's made the cut, and for the next DECADE at least, his job is probably fine, even if it may loose some ground on the purchasing power scale over that time.
(...)

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SGV', 'w')hat made you come to the conclusion that jobs are safe for a whole decade?

[Fishman]

See. Agent gives a great response. Thats not change, that's continued good debate. Change is normal, peak oil will still be challenging.
Hein, I appreciate your comments but you might want to do some checking of our posts from the past. We were civil at times, and not so at others. I always appreciated your intellect and presentation of your view. I 've sat with my son, explaining to him my poor opinion of the intellect and presentation of some, and complimented yours. My son, on the other hand, explained I had the makings of a troll.
And look at the talent here, Ibon can pee while walking sideways. Another post peak skill I will aspire. Personally I think it did wonders for my potato crop last year.

[ObiWan]

Navel gazing threads are fascinating. Several general comments from a noob/lurker who isn't one of those terrified to post.

Navel gazing is indicative of something, exactly what being debatable. Certainly lamenting a love lost of some sort would fit, a desire for a relevance long gone, a general "good old days" feeling. The coolness of peak oil as a trigger for <fill in favorite scenario here> only exists prior to people being able to point out that peak oil is a historical event.

Concerns for forum quality are usually as much an issue with participants as management.

Just a thought.

[Heineken]

Boy, that's a thread-killer if ever I read one. Yawn.

(Nothing personal, Obi-Wan.)

[ObiWan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'B')oy, that's a thread-killer if ever I read one. Yawn.

(Nothing personal, Obi-Wan.)

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'I') don't know what the next Golden Age will be like, but I think it is a looonnnggg ways off (none of us will see it).

[ObiWan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '
')about 12,500 years ago.

[vision-master]

Explain?

[ObiWan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'E')xplain?

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ObiWan', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'E')xplain?

[ObiWan]

2000 A.D. and we are only in the Bronze Age? I think someone has seriously misconstrued their human technology periods.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'I') don't know what the next Golden Age will be like, but I think it is a looonnnggg ways off (none of us will see it).