[Cloud9]

Political ideologies aside, it is fairly obvious that we have bankrupted the system. Subsidies no matter who gets them skew the market and cause a misallocation of resources. Whether it is Jamie Diamond on the top end or Octomom on the bottom end, the outcome is the same.
It should be patently obvious to anyone with math skills that to continue our current course will explode the currency. For years the Europhiles touted the nanny state as the solution to the world’s harshness. Now we see Europe about to implode. The hard truth is that Europe has a nasty habit of cranking up genocide to deal with its political and economic woes. Unless we want to fall into that trap we must change course.
The simplest and first step to reversing the course would be to apply some kind of social stigma to the handouts.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shaved Monkey', 'A')ustralia's minimum wage is $15.51 per hour or $589.30 per week
Unemployment is 5.3%
Unemployed get rental assistance and $486.80 a fortnight(as a single)
Plus free Medical for everyone
seems to work ok here

[Cloud9]

Cog we are in that same line. We have been rode hard and put up wet.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'C')og we are in that same line. We have been rode hard and put up wet.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ottom line is, its not the government's affair what I pay my workers. They are free to leave if they don't like the pay. Getting rid of the minimum wage sounds like a capital idea to me. Given the service I get at McDonalds, its clear the workers are vastly over-payed as is. Freedom to choose for all.

[Cloud9]

It is interesting that the social Darwinist had no problem in bringing down the full power of the state on unions. On the flip side, unions had no problem in unionizing the state.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I')'ll see your Thomas Paine and raise you a Thomas Jefferson:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think myself that we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious.

[beamofthewave]

Thomas Jefferson was a piece of shit. He was over forty when he took 14 year old Sally Hemmings as his mistress. They had ten kids, the ones that passed for white ran away and he collected insurance money on them for running away because the system counted them as run away slaves. Your quoting Thomas Jefferson, child rapist, blood sucker off his own kids to me? He never freed any of his children by Sally Hemmings, did you know that? He never freed Sally Hemmings either, gave her to his daughter upon his death as well as her slave half brothers and sisters, his children also. I despise Thomas Jefferson, he was an evil man. His actions speak so loudly I cannot hear what he was saying.

[PrestonSturges]

The biggest blot against Jefferson was that his slaves were auctioned of at his death instead if being freed. Considering his biggest differences with the Federalists were over monetary policy, the fact that he died so deep in debt tends to make me give less weight to his ideas about currency.

But he was certainly no vicious lunatic like Andrew Jackson.

[Cog]

Such hatred of the Founders. Says a lot more about the character of the posters than it does Thomas Jefferson. The progressive brainwashing that has turned the USA into an entitlement society is nearly complete.

I'm going to have a chuckle when it all falls apart. Right before the violence starts in earnest. Then the excitement will really begin. Maybe I'll see some of you on the other side of the bottleneck. Doubtful but maybe.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'S')uch hatred of the Founders. Says a lot more about the character of the posters than it does Thomas Jefferson. The progressive brainwashing that has turned the USA into an entitlement society is nearly complete.

I'm going to have a chuckle when it all falls apart. Right before the violence starts in earnest. Then the excitement will really begin. Maybe I'll see some of you on the other side of the bottleneck. Doubtful but maybe.

[Cog]

I wonder if the miserable world the progressive finds himself in it attributable to some personal failings along the way. The utopia they seek, but is always out of reach, is a reflection of their own problems with success and successful people.

[vision-master]

Personal failings? Tell us more cog......

[PrestonSturges]

You should Hayek's "Why I Am Not A Conservative." Conservative utopia is always in the past, so the present must be destroyed to recreate something that has already failed in a world that no longer even exists.

[Cog]

I watched the movie 1984 today thinking of this thread. Seems the past is a favorite target of destruction of the progressive.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ''')Who controls the past' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.'" 1984

[PrestonSturges]

Sounds like a generic paranoid revenge fantasy based on your ability to read people's mind and punish them preemptively.

[The Practician]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') watched the movie 1984 today thinking of this thread. Seems the past is a favorite target of destruction of the progressive.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ''')Who controls the past' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.'" 1984

[Cog]

Oh I seek no revenge on my fellow human beings. Their hell will be created by and for themselves. Those who rely on the government to provide their daily sustenance will suffer the worst. First disappointment, then anger, and then violence. All because we forgot the essential elements of living self-reliantly, cheered on by the progressive agenda.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The Practician', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') watched the movie 1984 today thinking of this thread. Seems the past is a favorite target of destruction of the progressive.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ''')Who controls the past' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.'" 1984

[PrestonSturges]

The thing about the libertarian end-of-the-world romanticism is that the libertarian part is phony, and at the heart of the fantasy is gaining power over other people. Various types of various doomer porn often feature graphic violence against the weak (who are first dehumanized).