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Re: THE Vaccine Thread (merged)

Unread postby crkz47 » Wed 07 Dec 2011, 02:22:46

everyone is aware of Flu virus, Thus, the actual revised quantity of anticipated fatalities within US through swine flu is much more prone to settle at Thirty,000 - far less compared to earlier estimation associated with Ninety,000 deaths. Within 1976, Forty eight million People in america were given a 'swine flu' vaccine. Of those, 532 developed Guillain-Barre affliction, a paralytic situation now thought to be the result of a contamination of the vaccine by Campylobacter protein (according to the 2004 research study).

Presently, the chance of getting Guillain-Barre syndrome from H1N1 vaccine is probably less than one out of 1 million. Nevertheless, if you do have any flu (including swine flu) the chance of dying is two within A million, and the risk of suffering from Guillain-Barre affliction goes up in order to Forty within A million. Therefore, the risk of Guillain-Barre syndrome from H1N1 illness is actually 4000% a lot more than the chance of getting it through the present h1n1 virus vaccine. Whilst there has been non-safety associated product recalls of H1N1 vaccine, they are related to the lower potency of the vaccine order and largely limited to the breathed in as opposed to the single-dose shot vaccine.

These days, US Centers for disease control (CDC) offers boldly and undoubtedly announced the modern and current h1n1 virus vaccine safe with regard to bulk immunization.

A good antediluvian view retains that H1N1 vaccination is essential only for health care professionals and people directly exposed to the infection. This is an insufficient perspective, not in conjuction with the globe view.
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MMR Vaccine....still doesn't cause autism

Unread postby jesus_of_suburbia » Tue 21 Apr 2015, 21:42:55

From JAMA:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n this large sample of privately insured children with older siblings, receipt of the MMR vaccine was not associated with increased risk of ASD, regardless of whether older siblings had ASD. These findings indicate no harmful association between MMR vaccine receipt and ASD even among children already at higher risk for ASD.

Autism Occurrence by MMR Vaccine Status Among US Children With Older Siblings With and Without Autism

Anyone remember the original Andrew Wakefield study linking MMR to austim? The one where he failed to disclose his financial interests, such his status as a patent holder for a new MMR vaccine or as an expert witness for the prosecution in a vaccine injury lawsuit. The one where he failed to obtain IRB approval for his study methods, which entailed performing spinal taps and colonoscopies on children. The one that set public health back years and resulted in new outbreaks of diseases thought to be eradicated. The one that was retracted shortly after it was published and resulted in the termination of Wakefield's ability to practice as a physician. The one that studied about 12 cases of austism "linked" to MMR.

Well, this one looked at 95,000 and included high risk children.

Are the anti-vaxxers going to finally admit they are basically the same as AGW deniers?

That's a dumb question. Of course they won't. They'll just move the goalposts farther.
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Re: MMR Vaccine....still doesn't cause autism

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Tue 21 Apr 2015, 22:35:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jesus_of_suburbia', '
')Are the anti-vaxxers going to finally admit they are basically the same as AGW deniers?

That's a dumb question. Of course they won't. They'll just move the goalposts farther.


Now it's RoundUp.
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Child vaccines Roundup

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 12 Aug 2018, 15:37:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')lyphosate, the active ingredient in Monsanto's flagship herbicide Roundup and hundreds of other herbicides, has been found in vaccines. Moms Across America received preliminary screening results from Microbe Inotech Laboratories Inc. of St. Louis, Missouri, which showed:

MMR II (Merk) vaccine had 2.671 parts per billion (ppb) of glyphosate
DTap Adacel (Sanofi Pasteur) vaccine had 0.123 ppb of glyphosate
Influenza Fluvirin (Novaris) 0.331 ppb of glyphosate
HepB Energix-B (Glaxo Smith Kline) 0.325 ppb of glyphosate
Pneumonoccal Vax Polyvalent Pneumovax 23 (Merk) had 0.107 ppb of glyphosate


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Re: Child vaccines Roundup

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sun 12 Aug 2018, 15:58:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')lyphosate, the active ingredient in Monsanto's flagship herbicide Roundup and hundreds of other herbicides, has been found in vaccines. Moms Across America received preliminary screening results from Microbe Inotech Laboratories Inc. of St. Louis, Missouri, which showed:

MMR II (Merk) vaccine had 2.671 parts per billion (ppb) of glyphosate
DTap Adacel (Sanofi Pasteur) vaccine had 0.123 ppb of glyphosate
Influenza Fluvirin (Novaris) 0.331 ppb of glyphosate
HepB Energix-B (Glaxo Smith Kline) 0.325 ppb of glyphosate
Pneumonoccal Vax Polyvalent Pneumovax 23 (Merk) had 0.107 ppb of glyphosate


https://www.ecowatch.com/glyphosate-vac ... 43362.html

So to add to your list of "great advice", are you implying that children shouldn't get vaccines for dangerous diseases?

Do you have medical knowledge to show why your concerns are valid? Perhaps commensurate with your vast economic knowledge re Cassandra global and oil fracking economic predictions?

Perhaps gaining some underlying understanding first would be better, even if that's not as much fun as posting nonsense?

By the way, when the FDA posts formal warnings about such vaccines and tries to get them banned or changed to avoid a roughly 1 in a billion concentration of glyphosate, be SURE and let us know -- because that would be useful information.

I just checked and it looks like Roundup and similar weed killing products contain roughly 40 to 50 percent glyphosate.

Now, 50 parts per hundred is 500 million parts per billion.

So the amount you're concerned about in vaccines cites is ROUGHLY 500 million times less concentrated than the amount in weed killers using it.

And the EPA is "SO" concerned about the weed killer that they advise common sense precautions like washing your hands after use, being careful not to inhale it or get it in your eyes or on your skin. Pretty relaxed precautions if it's so deadly, wouldn't you think?

I don't use it in windy conditions -- just to be on the safe side. But I DO get vaccines. Risks should be assessed by logic, not throwing FUD.

https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/plant- ... mation.htm
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Re: Child vaccines Roundup

Unread postby Cog » Sun 12 Aug 2018, 18:11:32

Anti-glycophospate people and antivaxxers share a lot of the same people and anti science dna.
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Re: Child vaccines Roundup

Unread postby Cog » Sun 12 Aug 2018, 22:40:35

Roundup doesn't bio accumulate in humans.
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Re: Child vaccines Roundup

Unread postby Cog » Mon 13 Aug 2018, 06:07:28

Then you don't know the definition of bioaccumulation since that is not what roundup does.
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Re: Child vaccines Roundup

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Mon 13 Aug 2018, 17:14:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'P')erhaps onlooker is concerned re the prevalence of the product into the environment, its widespread dispersion and and bio-accumulation. Rather than your hysterical/unwanted fears.

You two trolls need to bone up on oil geology, production and business. That would help to offset those daddy problems you seem to be suffering with :

Speaking of trolls, and not knowing of what they speak, look in the mirror (for the umpteenth time).

Weedkillers, by law, must rapidly break down. That is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what is needed for bioaccumulation to occur.

Are these links simple enough for you to understand? Or is living under bridges and throwing rocks your only goal in life?

https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/garden ... e-soil.htm

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdch ... 4016_7.pdf
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Re: Child vaccines Roundup

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 13 Aug 2018, 17:57:47

Yea, Pstarr, now they want us to think lawns are good yea right
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... nvironment
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ur obsession with green lawns drives me nuts, and it's killing the environment
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Re: Stock Market Crash! (merged) Pt. 18

Unread postby OutcastPhilosopher » Thu 12 Nov 2020, 14:04:12

Before one of the re-tards claims that I have no sources on vaccines.

Here are all the sources that link vaccines to autoimmune disorders and autism.

But yeah, make sure you go get that COVID vaccine you dumb mother-fuckers

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21058170/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18771903

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19732784

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4490156/

https://1796web.com/pdfs/haley.pdf

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 8914002415

http://omsj.org/reports/tomljenovic%202011.pdf

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 3413001773

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2014/491316/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4177682/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3484795/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3863885/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12145534/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16126512/

https://academicjournals.org/journal/JP ... 8151247042

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1974 ... dinalpos=1

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1974 ... dinalpos=1

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24235069

https://www.termedia.pl/Original-paper- ... 1,1,1.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21549155

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23843785

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3395253/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25433158

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18321861

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20810785

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9756729

https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/80/6/1611/4690493

http://link.springer.com/article/10.100 ... 016-9870-6

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18704827/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20391113/

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/ful ... 07.00102.x

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1280342/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 8X13005644

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2499694/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25577494

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15546155/

http://www.biologicalpsychiatryjournal. ... 06-3223(10)00497-X/abstract

http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/14121 ... ms6748.htm

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 405001182l

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3098713/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3090385/

http://www.marthaherbert.com/Herbert%20 ... 0final.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14745455

http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/conten ... t/62/8/889

http://jcn.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/22/11/1308

http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/14/11/2227

http://www.eurekaselect.com/101108/article

http://jcn.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/21/2/170

http://thescipub.com/html/10.3844/ajbbsp.2008.73.84

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16151044

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17090484

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16766163

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15527868

http://www.eurekaselect.com/81596/article

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17114826

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Ad ... ne.0068444

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12933322

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17454560

http://link.springer.com/article/10.102 ... rue#page-1

http://thescipub.com/html/10.3844/ajbbsp.2008.198.207

http://www.marthaherbert.com/Anderson,% ... 20AJBB.pdf

http://montanaim.com/pubs/Heavy_Metals_Article.pdf

http://www.icdrc.org/documents/Mitoandautism2008.pdf

http://www.science-direct.com/science?_ ... 8466c4ce6d

http://adventuresinautism.com/images/VivaPortugal.pdf

http://http/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed ... d_RVDocSum

http://http/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed ... d_RVDocSum

http://app.egyptlearn.com/eji/pdf/HQ2007-03680.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20628439

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18482737

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10931172

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1 ... e8MEY1wqSo

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19357975

http://www.jneuroinflammation.com/conte ... 4-7-20.pdf

https://molecularautism.biomedcentral.c ... 016-0110-z

http://adventuresinautism.com/Hewitsonetal2010.pdf

http://www.genome-explorations.com/imag ... -autis.pdf

http://www.autismresourceconnection.com ... autism.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20576582

http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/vaop/n ... 0136a.html

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_o ... archtype=a

http://labmed.ascpjournals.org/content/ ... 8.full.pdf

http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10 ... 010.545086

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 7600896560

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25477165

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24068297

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21797771

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term ... rt%20Study.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15265850

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15265850

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Ad ... ne.0027897

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26711497

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... ool=pubmed

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2957583/

http://www.ebcala.org/unanswered-questions

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21350943

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term ... d=21350943

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22249285

http://toxsci.oxfordjournals.org/conten ... l.pdf+html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22015705

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19234401

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/99

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15082108

http://www.ehponline.org/docs/2006/9120/abstract.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16338635

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9715303727

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... po=5.55556

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23337946

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... po=2.00000

http://progress.umb.edu.pl/sites/progre ... 29-141.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23867105

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Ad ... ne.0058058

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3006666/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6182806

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10759242

http://lup.sagepub.com/content/21/2/118.full

http://www.oapublishinglondon.com/article/1368

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18197631

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/va ... 12504.html

http://link.springer.com/article/10.100 ... 3-1#page-1

http://link.springer.com/article/10.100 ... 3-1#page-1

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... ne.0008382

http://app.autism360.org/MumperPrevention.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/

http://simonsfoundation.s3.amazonaws.co ... ontact.pdf
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The die-off has begun

Unread postby copious.abundance » Fri 30 Jul 2021, 21:17:49

No no no ... not that die-off!

The die-off of the anti-vaxxers!
Stuff for doomers to contemplate:
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http://peakoil.com/forums/post1206767.html#p1206767
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Re: The die-off has begun

Unread postby mustang19 » Fri 30 Jul 2021, 22:55:43

Ok, if you want to talk about that, Israel currently has a exceedingly high case rate compared to nearby countries.

In america the Mormon states are low vax and ok.
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Re: THE Vaccine Thread (merged)

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sat 31 Jul 2021, 17:48:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('crkz47', 'e')veryone is aware of Flu virus, Thus, the actual revised quantity of anticipated fatalities within US through swine flu is much more prone to settle at Thirty,000 - far less compared to earlier estimation associated with Ninety,000 deaths. Within 1976, Forty eight million People in america were given a 'swine flu' vaccine. Of those, 532 developed Guillain-Barre affliction, a paralytic situation now thought to be the result of a contamination of the vaccine by Campylobacter protein (according to the 2004 research study).

Presently, the chance of getting Guillain-Barre syndrome from H1N1 vaccine is probably less than one out of 1 million. Nevertheless, if you do have any flu (including swine flu) the chance of dying is two within A million, and the risk of suffering from Guillain-Barre affliction goes up in order to Forty within A million. Therefore, the risk of Guillain-Barre syndrome from H1N1 illness is actually 4000% a lot more than the chance of getting it through the present h1n1 virus vaccine. Whilst there has been non-safety associated product recalls of H1N1 vaccine, they are related to the lower potency of the vaccine order and largely limited to the breathed in as opposed to the single-dose shot vaccine.

These days, US Centers for disease control (CDC) offers boldly and undoubtedly announced the modern and current h1n1 virus vaccine safe with regard to bulk immunization.

A good antediluvian view retains that H1N1 vaccination is essential only for health care professionals and people directly exposed to the infetion. This is an insufficient perspective, not in conjuction with the globe view.

Yet, in the real world, the incidence of deaths from flu is a LOT more more like 1 in a thousand than one in a million. (I notice how like so many commenters without any credibility, you cite no sources with your claims of such numbers. NOT impressive).

But no doubt you'll keep up with the fact free braying. :roll:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/pr ... imates.htm

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2019-2020.html

https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-people-die-flu/
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Re: THE Vaccine Thread Pt.2

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 31 Jul 2021, 21:42:27

I do not understand the Anti-vaccine in general crowd. I got everything from Smallpox on down vaccine as a kid and I got a tetanus booster a few years ago. I also got the two stage Shingles vaccine in 2019 and I get the influenza vaccine every fall.

I do think however celebrating people afraid of needles in general or vaccines in particular dying of Covid is a rather extreme position to take in the whole debate.
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Re: THE Vaccine Thread Pt.2

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sun 01 Aug 2021, 12:20:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '
')I do think however celebrating people afraid of needles in general or vaccines in particular dying of Covid is a rather extreme position to take in the whole debate.

I have to agree with that. And the ironic thing is that much of the celebrating I've seen going on along that line is with liberals, re things like the NYT editorial pages, celebrating lots of GOP voters dying. (Good old politics -- **sigh**). Those same liberals who act like any irresponsible person not given "enough" government program money is an epic tragedy -- and to hell with the consequences to the debt pile and the economy.

OTOH, I think protecting society over time needs to come before irrational fears, etc, to the extent that vaccine mandates SHOULD be used to the point of establishing solid herd immunity. That still leaves SIGNIFICANT room for exceptions for those with meaningful issues established by a doctor's medical evaluation.

How many years or even decades of the self inflicted costs to society is enough? And why aren't those so against hurting the economy re Covid-19 impacts so unwilling to do what clearly HELPS the economy, re reducing the threat?

Oh, that's right -- in their mind, they know more about everything than all the combined knowledge of the experts. :roll: Which is so stupid, it's why mandates should override their delusions, IMO.
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Re: THE Vaccine Thread Pt.2

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 03 Aug 2021, 11:35:27

There is some maxim in politics that something like 20% of the population is 100% set as hard right and 20% as hard left, there is no chance of ever changing their minds, no matter what.

I think it is kind of like that with the vaccines, there is a group who are unreachable by logic.

I see it as another expression of the Pareto Proncipal.

But then, those 20% anti-vax do eventually het antibodies, it is just through getting the virus. They, more or less, end up “vaccinated” through the process of getting sick.

So this whole thing will eventually blow over; and we will all be vaccinated, some from the vaccine, some from the virus. Just takes more time and costs more money.
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