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Proposed Uses for the UN Flag

Unread postby k_semler » Sat 28 May 2005, 01:05:16

http://www.un-freezone.org/unflaguses.html

# Air-sickness bags (put the UN logo inside the bag - no point in making people sick just by seeing the bag)
# Artillery reference point - to fire at for effect
# Bath towel - to wipe certain body parts
# Bird cage liner
# Burn at patriotic rallies
# Candle/lamp wicks
# Cat bed liner - to keep the fleas off your good blankie
# Cat box liner
# Cat litter
# Cat scratching post - to wrap around the post and let your cat get its claws into - good kitty!!!
# Chainsaw wipe down rag
# Chimney sweep rag
# Chimney sweep tarp - to protect your carpet from soot
# Compost
# Corpse blanket—to wrap up the dead politicians, BATF, FBI, FEMA, etc., or anyone else who tries to collect our guns.
# Dart board backdrop
# Diapers - turned out, not in
# Dipstick rag carried under the hood of your vehicle
# Dog urine wheel protectors
# Doggy chastity belt
# Doggy chew toy
# Dog poop cleaner upper
# Doormats - to wipe muddy feet on, at home or place of business
# Dryer vent filter/lint catcher
# Drop cloth - to use while you are painting and other dirty jobs
# Dust rag
# Emergency heating fuel - burn in fireplace
# Feminine napkins
# Fill material in nuclear waste shipping containers
# Filler material in roofing shingles
# Fire starter - soak in kerosene
# Food - to cram down the throats of crooked politicians, lawyers, and judges
# Food wrapper - to wrap spoiled food in; especially good for rotten fish parts
# Garage - if your car has oil leaks, you should have one under it to keep garage clean
# Garbage can liner
# Goat feed - to feed your goats - except your favorite one, of course
# Gun cleaning rags, sold at gun shows
# Gutter rag
# Handkerchief - use to blow your nose on
# Hang one out the bottom of your driver’s door, into the street, dragging through the mud as an excellent way to initiate a UN conversation
# Ink blotter
# Insoles
# Kitchen towel - to clean up all the grease and grime & keep your other towels clean
# Molotov cocktails
# Mops
# Mud flaps
# Nuclear waste filler - put in nuclear waste containers
# On the floor under junior’s height chair for food droppings
# Outhouse wallpaper - tack up on the outhouse walls (could be used for TP later)
# Outhouse wipes (use with caution, may cause rash)
# Overalls - put them on the butt of your bib overalls
# Paint brush cleaning rag - to clean up all your old paint brushes with
# Paint filter - use to strain your old paint with
# Panty hose laundry bag - tie up your panty hose in them when you wash them
# Print them on rolls of toilet paper
# Puppy house-training - Scotchgard coated for repeated use
# Put it in a jar of urine and call it art
# Road patch - place flag in pothole, pour tar generously, pack down
# Suppositories - for Bill and Hillary to use
# Send to drug king pins (or CIA) for wrapping illegal drugs
# Shoe polish rag
# Shop rags
# Table cloth - for when your one-year old grandchild is coming over
# Targets - add numbers to the lines of latitude and you’ve got an excellent range target
# Temporary gas cap
# Test acids on
# Toilet seat liner - drape over the toilet seat for sanitation reasons; flush after use
# Trench liner - to line slit trenches with
# Under grandpa’s spittoon
# Vomit bucket, when you have stomach flu
# Wrap spoiled food in, for disposal
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Unread postby ArimoDave » Sat 28 May 2005, 01:10:30

Would it not be better to not make the flags in the first place?

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Unread postby Jack » Sat 28 May 2005, 01:12:35

Instead, use it as a prop. Deceive the pro-UN types, then use and betray them.

See? Isn't that better? 8)
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Unread postby k_semler » Sat 28 May 2005, 01:35:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'I')nstead, use it as a prop. Deceive the pro-UN types, then use and betray them.

See? Isn't that better? 8)


I like that. It worked for the Japanese in WWII, it can work for us too! :twisted: :twisted:
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Unread postby Colorado-Valley » Sat 28 May 2005, 02:24:00

Are you guys members of the John Birch Society?
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Unread postby k_semler » Sat 28 May 2005, 02:31:22

Who the hell is that? :?
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Unread postby skiwi » Sat 28 May 2005, 02:47:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Colorado-Valley', 'A')re you guys members of the John Birch Society?


No but for a non-religous type I 've listened to enough of them
After all it doesn't pay to throw out the wheat with the chaff

If I had one I'd use it as a bike rag
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Unread postby Jack » Sat 28 May 2005, 09:13:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Colorado-Valley', 'A')re you guys members of the John Birch Society?


I'm certainly not.

The UN is a deeply flawed institution, more given to corruption than anything useful. We hear hints of billion dollar thefts by Kofi Annan's son - but the leads are not being pursued aggressively. One cannot but wonder how many petty thefts of mere millions occur.

It's also bizarre that Zimbabwe has a vote equal to China's.

Furthermore, the UN constantly seeks to take money from so-called rich countries to whatever areas they deem to be poor. This is certainly not in my best interests, nor yours.

I have merely scratched the surface. The UN is not a friend to the US.
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Unread postby RonMN » Sat 28 May 2005, 10:05:35

we DO need a place where the figure heads of countries can sit down & talk (to avert wars if possible)...but what the UN has turned into...it should be dismantled!
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Unread postby Tyler_JC » Sat 28 May 2005, 10:35:19

I say we turn the UN headquarters into a whore house. The only thing that would change would be the furniture!
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Unread postby clv101 » Sat 28 May 2005, 11:05:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'T')he UN is not a friend to the US.

Maybe not but the US is no friend to the 6.5bn that make up the world at large, the UN is a better friend to the average human than the US is.
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Unread postby Ebyss » Sat 28 May 2005, 12:36:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clv101', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'T')he UN is not a friend to the US.

Maybe not but the US is no friend to the 6.5bn that make up the world at large, the UN is a better friend to the average human than the US is.


Yes, I would tend to agree with that. The UN isn't the one starting wars left, right and centre. Also, just because it isn't a "friend" of the US, doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Nice to see that not everybody is so blinded by American propaganda.

I'd choose "compost" as a good option. Flags are irrelevant.
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Unread postby The_Virginian » Sat 28 May 2005, 13:19:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')es, I would tend to agree with that. The UN isn't the one starting wars left, right and centre.


Whoa there...

What about the fake genocide in Kosovo and the UN involment there? Yes they were pushed by X,Y, and Z, but there were part of the picture:

LEAST WE FORGET!
http://emperors-clothes.com/yugo.htm

Other uses for UN flag:

Dishdasha

Talit

Pancho

Hammock

Flag of Piracy (Treaty of the seas!)

Apron for dish wahshing and Grilling/Frying

Bleach it and it's a surrender flag

use for Charcloth (if cotton)

Seat covers (home Auto)

Cut it up and make earth friendly cloth diapers (if cotton):

http://www.diapersewing.com/quick_dry_aio.htm


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Unread postby Jack » Sat 28 May 2005, 13:50:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clv101', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'T')he UN is not a friend to the US.

Maybe not but the US is no friend to the 6.5bn that make up the world at large, the UN is a better friend to the average human than the US is.


In the competition for survival, the friend of my enemy is...my enemy. Feel free to quote me. 8)
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Unread postby Ebyss » Sat 28 May 2005, 15:14:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clv101', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'T')he UN is not a friend to the US.

Maybe not but the US is no friend to the 6.5bn that make up the world at large, the UN is a better friend to the average human than the US is.


In the competition for survival, the friend of my enemy is...my enemy. Feel free to quote me. 8)


Survival of what? Humanity? Or the American way of life? Who's your enemy anyway? There may be a whole lot of anti-US sentiment around the world, but apart from a few terrorist groups, you have no enemies. Everyone in the world is dependent on the U.S., and no-one is dumb enough to start a war with you. Perhaps if you actually did focus your military efforts on your *real* enemies (the terrorist groups I mentioned above) you might find international support and eliminate the enemy. No-one wants terrorists in their country, I speak from experience. We have one the most successful terrorist groups in the world here... it's nothing to be proud of. Incidentally, most of their funding comes from America.
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Unread postby Tyler_JC » Sat 28 May 2005, 16:58:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ho's your enemy anyway?


My enemy? State-Communism and excessive bureaucracy are my enemies. That and any mix of Theocracy and Fascism. Basically my enemy is Big Brother. Left to my own purpose, I'm relatively happy. I don't like to be bossed around by people I'll never meet. Or worse, being bossed around by people in the barracks on the hill.

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Unread postby Jack » Sat 28 May 2005, 17:13:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')urvival of what? Humanity? Or the American way of life?


The American way of life - or, failing that, a comfortable, abundant lifestyle.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Who's your enemy anyway?


That's a superb question; a good answer would require considerable reflection and more extensive writing than I am willing to engage in presently. I suspect that few have done the necessary thinking to really answer your question properly.

Failing to meet the above standard, my first response is that the enemy is any entity or group that restricts or impedes implementation or enjoyment of the abundant lifestyle. This could well mean that China will be a future enemy, if it isn't already - and, for that matter, India likewise. I would add that the definition is scalable, applying at all levels from the individual to the national.

Does this mean that one should attack an enemy, with guns blazing? Not necessarily. Perhaps one cooperates with some enemies in some areas, and fights in other areas. One can fight with dollar bills, or propaganda - in a thousand different ways.

The fine people of Ireland will face this decision too, you know. Ireland's population is presently 4,000,000 people - similar to what it was after the potato famine, but living a much more abundant lifestyle (in terms of food consumption and energy used) than back then. What will the Irish do when energy (i.e., transportation) costs go up substantially? What will they do when the "ghost acreage" provided by fossil fuels puts pressure on them? One can view the UK, the French, the Saudis or the Americans in a variety of ways, can one not? And if the French won't sell cheeses that the Irish need to survive, what will you call the French? I jest, but the point is a serious one.

I suspect that we shall see a tendency conflict. Or, if you prefer, resource wars. And that implies lots of enemies.
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Unread postby Ebyss » Sat 28 May 2005, 17:53:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')urvival of what? Humanity? Or the American way of life?


The American way of life - or, failing that, a comfortable, abundant lifestyle.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Who's your enemy anyway?


That's a superb question; a good answer would require considerable reflection and more extensive writing than I am willing to engage in presently. I suspect that few have done the necessary thinking to really answer your question properly.

Failing to meet the above standard, my first response is that the enemy is any entity or group that restricts or impedes implementation or enjoyment of the abundant lifestyle.


To both Tyler and yourself I would say that I agree with the sentiment or ideals behind what you've posted. Anyone that tries to step on my freedom should be prepared to fight. What is ironic (and I'm not being a smartass here) is that America is more and more becoming the facist state that you both fear so much. Without any intervention from China or India, America is becoming it's own greatest enemy. There is very little freedom left in America, peoples beliefs are being trampled on constantly.. it's just getting worse and worse. I suggest (again, not trying to be a smartass) that America should look inward to identify and solve it's own problems, and stop looking to place blame elsewhere, be it China, India, the Middle East, North Korea or the United Nations. Actually, that's good advice for all countries, not just America.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he fine people of Ireland will face this decision too, you know. Ireland's population is presently 4,000,000 people - similar to what it was after the potato famine, but living a much more abundant lifestyle (in terms of food consumption and energy used) than back then. What will the Irish do when energy (i.e., transportation) costs go up substantially? What will they do when the "ghost acreage" provided by fossil fuels puts pressure on them? One can view the UK, the French, the Saudis or the Americans in a variety of ways, can one not? And if the French won't sell cheeses that the Irish need to survive, what will you call the French? I jest, but the point is a serious one.


I agree completely. The world is over populated. Ireland will soon reach pre famine population, and when the "potato harvest" fails people will suffer. Of that I have no doubt. And to be honest, it's our own fault. We are the 7th most oil-dependent country in the world, ahead of the U.S. It's lunacy. But there's no way I would suggest war simply because I wished to maintain this "abundance", this greed. What right have I to demand more than any other human being on the planet?

But the true question we have to ask is "why?". Overpopluation and a life of great abundance (read "wasteful and unnecessary habits") are the main causes of our current situation (be it global climate change, peak oil, peak food... whatever). Would it not be better to address the causes, rather than simply treat the symptoms by going to war with anyone who wishes simply to live, not even to live "a life of abundance", because we can no longer have our "life of abundance". Do you not think that this life of "abundance" to which you are so attached might actually be the problem, and that one should look inward to fix it, not outward to precieved threats.

Given the choice between going to war with another country simply because I want to "have more", or simplifying and "powering-down" my life, I would choose the latter. This is just my opinion though.

*I used the word "abundance" way too much in that post :cry: *
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Unread postby Jack » Sat 28 May 2005, 21:11:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ebyss', '
')To both Tyler and yourself I would say that I agree with the sentiment or ideals behind what you've posted. Anyone that tries to step on my freedom should be prepared to fight. What is ironic (and I'm not being a smartass here) is that America is more and more becoming the facist state that you both fear so much. Without any intervention from China or India, America is becoming it's own greatest enemy. There is very little freedom left in America, peoples beliefs are being trampled on constantly.. it's just getting worse and worse. I suggest (again, not trying to be a smartass) that America should look inward to identify and solve it's own problems, and stop looking to place blame elsewhere, be it China, India, the Middle East, North Korea or the United Nations. Actually, that's good advice for all countries, not just America.


America began its existence as an underpopulated frontier, laregly under the control of a single English speaking culture. As we (in the US) interact more due to our various activities and become multicultural, the opportunities for conflict multiply - hence less freedom, hence more governmental control. There are those who suggest that America may disintegrate; that may be true. The stresses of peak oil - both global and within the US - could fracture us.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ebyss', '
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I agree completely. The world is over populated. Ireland will soon reach pre famine population, and when the "potato harvest" fails people will suffer. Of that I have no doubt. And to be honest, it's our own fault. We are the 7th most oil-dependent country in the world, ahead of the U.S. It's lunacy. But there's no way I would suggest war simply because I wished to maintain this "abundance", this greed. What right have I to demand more than any other human being on the planet?


You're probably not going to like this...

But you have the same right that people have always had, always used, and always will use. Might makes right. If you have the strength to take what you believe you need to survive, you will. Perhaps not you personally, but in aggregate a people will do so. You can look within your own nation's history to see ample evidence of what a stronger group did to a weaker one. And they did it not for survival, but for gain - lands, money, and so forth. When it comes down to survival, I see no reason to assume that mankind has changed much over the few intervening centuries.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ebyss', '
')But the true question we have to ask is "why?". Overpopluation and a life of great abundance (read "wasteful and unnecessary habits") are the main causes of our current situation (be it global climate change, peak oil, peak food... whatever). Would it not be better to address the causes, rather than simply treat the symptoms by going to war with anyone who wishes simply to live, not even to live "a life of abundance", because we can no longer have our "life of abundance". Do you not think that this life of "abundance" to which you are so attached might actually be the problem, and that one should look inward to fix it, not outward to precieved threats.


Is the life of abundance the problem? I think not. Rather, the tendency of any living thing to expand its numbers to the limits of the available environment is - in my opinion - the root cause. Additionally, the definition of a life of abundance changes. Once, an annual bath was considered more than sufficient for anyone; today, a daily shower is closer to the norm. The water, along with the energy required to heat it, represents a portion of our footprint - which, in turn, defines how many humans the world can support.

And it gets worse. Suppose that a family produces a handicapped child. The support of that child requires resources. These days, society spends a lot on such things - but that's part of the abundant lifestyle. Where does one draw the line?

Powerdown means real people making real sacrifices, and not getting the things they really want and, perhaps, need. It could mean giving up meat...or letting the elderly die instead of providing medical treatment. Saying that one will opt for powerdown does not provide sufficient definition.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ebyss', '
')Given the choice between going to war with another country simply because I want to "have more", or simplifying and "powering-down" my life, I would choose the latter. This is just my opinion though.


Perhaps. But much depends on the extent of power-down, doesn't it? Does it mean we ride the bus to work instead of driving, wear a sweater in winter, and turn off unused lights? Or does it mean we adopt a North Korean lifestyle and eat 250 grams of rice per day - half the established minimum needed to survive?

It becomes a choice between living well, and the other person living at all. For myself, the choice is clear. Others may choose differently - but, if they look carefully within, I think they will recognize the ravening predator inside that is our common heritage.
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Unread postby Daculling » Sat 28 May 2005, 21:33:32

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I think they will recognize the ravening predator inside that is our common heritage.


I thought this was obvious as this is how we arrived here. How many trees have we cut down? How many species have we hunted to extinction. How much land have we enhabited that previously could not be. We are at the top because we are good at what we do.

On the UN....

Ebyss, you stated that the UN "isn't starting wars left, right and centre". Well... not that I condon the actions of the US, but if the UN does not serve as an outlet to defuse hostilities then it has failed and is just as guilty as the attacking country in my opinion.
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