[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'T')here will not be less apple trees during the crash, it's all manufactured to funnel more money to the wealthy. The Sun will still rise each day, the Moon will continue it's cycle.... There will be both day and night.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'C')og talks a lot of gobshite. Then he goes and watches Fox and comes back with more gobshite, some of it garnered from the TP which Foxman has heavily promoted. Then he waffles on about billionaire communists and leftists. What is with this guy? Can anyone be so dumb that they listen to one billionaire who wants tax cuts and another billionaire who wants welfare for the shopping classes and blame the communists (who have long since disapeared with the Berlin wall). Can anyone be that stupid!!

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'L')ets start by kicking the 11 million illegals out of our country then we can talk about competing in wages with them.

[Satori]

we might wanna be careful with that illegal immigrant thingy

just sayin...

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2 ... s-planned/

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'L')ets start by kicking the 11 million illegals out of our country then we can talk about competing in wages with them.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'L')ets start by kicking the 11 million illegals out of our country then we can talk about competing in wages with them.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Satori', 'w')e might wanna be careful with that illegal immigrant thingy

just sayin...

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2 ... s-planned/

[Alan Cain]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Satori', 'l')ets just stop the foodstamp program
gee
what will happen when 45 million people
a LARGE # of them children are no longer getting fed

foodstamps are insurance against MAJOR social disorder

in my professional capacity I see a lot of people on foodstamps
I don't begrudge them the least little bit
they are all the elderly poor or the working poor

I rather my tax dollars go to them
as opposed to Wall Street and the banksters who continually defraud us all

[americandream]

I hear you Alan. Every country bar Cuba (not for long though) is weighed under by these bloated minorities (as in entitlement syndrome) whilst the vast mass of humankind are increasingly scurrying hither and thither in a bid to eat and put a roof over their heads. It is increasingly looking like the kings of olde when merely living was a nightmare. And anyone who disagrees, even a mild humanist is branded communist (since when did living communally become synonymous with the bailing out of the bloateds).

[prajeshbhat]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'L')ets start by kicking the 11 million illegals out of our country then we can talk about competing in wages with them.

[Cog]

If you want to invite those people into your home, knock yourself out. To invite untold millions of poor into this country is to invite chaos as they consume services that they do not pay for.

No thanks. I will elect those politicians who will enforce US law and not turn a blind eye to it. Perhaps things work differently in India.

[prajeshbhat]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', ' ')I will elect those politicians who will enforce US law and not turn a blind eye to it.

[Cloud9]

First, the super rich are not Americans. They are multinationals. If you think American tax law can touch the real wealth of these people you are dreaming. They will simply get on a plane go some where else. Second, if you tax those remaining few with fixed assets that cannot leave the country at a rate of one hundred percent, you cannot fund the wars, social security, and Medicare. Third, if the Keynesian notion, that through debt money can be conjured out of thin air is real, why bother to tax at all? Why not stop the street corner shell game about taxes and balanced budgets and just conjure the money necessary to cover the cost of business and save us millions of hours of needless paper work?

The answer is that to make any con work, the mark has to have confidence in the legitimacy of the game. In this case, the mark is anyone who produces something of value. We have in the last thirty five years perpetrated the greatest con in the history of the world. We have convinced the world producers to give us the products of their labor and their natural resources in exchange for little blinking numbers on digital balance sheets. We have not even had to print the little green pieces of cloth everyone so admires. The con worked because everyone was able to exchange key strokes that affected these electronic ledgers to get what they wanted.

The con is breaking down because producers are running up against real limits and for the first time they are coming to realize that the conjurors of digital wealth are unlimited in their capacity to debase that wealth by conjuring up ever larger numbers. Producers on the other hand are looking at their declining ability to produce and getting worried. That is why we are having a flight in to precious metals. Dollars are backed by nothing but confidence in the full faith and credit of the United States.

As the dominos fall there will be a rush to cash. Then there will be a rush into commodities. The confidence is going out of the con.

[dolanbaker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'L')ets start by kicking the 11 million illegals out of our country then we can talk about competing in wages with them.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', 'T')he question is; would the Americans do those jobs if the immigrants left?

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'S')o which taxes would you like to raise, and how much of an impact will it make to the debt?

[prajeshbhat]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')o invite untold millions of poor into this country is to invite chaos as they consume services that they do not pay for.

[Cog]

You have your source. I have mine.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/02/im ... ts-reform/

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he cost of harboring illegal immigrants in the United States is a staggering $113 billion a year -- an average of $1,117 for every “native-headed” household in America -- according to a study conducted by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).

The single largest cost to the government of illegal immigration, according to the report, is an estimated $52 billion spent on schooling the children of illegals. “Nearly all those costs are absorbed by state and local governments,’ the report states.
Moreover, the study’s breakdown of costs on a state-by-state basis shows that in states with the largest number of illegals, the costs of illegal immigration are often greater than current, crippling budget deficits. In Texas, for example, the additional cost of immigration, $16.4 billion, is equal to the state’s current budget deficit; in California the additional cost of illegal immigration, $21.8 billion, is $8 billion more than the state’s current budget deficit of $13.8 billion; and in New York, the $6.8 billion deficit is roughly two-thirds the $9.5 billion yearly cost of its illegal population, according to Jack Martin, the researcher who completed the study.
“The most important finding of the study is the enormous cost to state and local governments due to lack of enforcement of our immigration laws,” Martin wrote.
The report found that the federal government paid $28.6 billion in illegal related costs, and state and local governments paid $84.2 billion on an estimated 13 million undocumented residents. In his speech, Obama estimated that there are 11 million.

[prajeshbhat]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'Y')ou have your source. I have mine. Fox news

[Satori]

I'm kinda confused about the study on Fox News

concerning educational expenses...

in my state the schools are mostly paid for by property taxes

if an illegal buys a home,he pays real estate taxes
if he rents a house or apartment,the owner pays real estate taxes

so how do they get this supposedly huge expense for educating illegals?

granted,a certain # are children and I guess we could supposedly build a few less schools ??

I still question the validity of the "study"
I know Cog can set me straight