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Re: Price Controls a-Comin'?

Unread postby Pops » Mon 09 May 2011, 10:58:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'I')t's best to let the market take care of it;

The problem is the market sends mixed signals and people remember what they want. I mean, straight market forces are better than the current subsidies but they are ambiguous - except to weirdos like you and me! 8)

Last night at supper I said "blah, blah ...oil was $15 in '98 and $115 last week." Someone said "enh, the gas price does this all the time, it has a big jump and then falls back and it will do it again. It jumped this high back in '08...
and '03 and '97..." There was no use arguing.
This guy is of course a truck driver with a big 4wd diesel pickup commuter vehicle who commutes 80 miles a day round trip so what is he gonna tell himself: "Guess I'd better retrain as a practical nurse"? :lol:

When enough representatives decide the Right thing to do (if not necessarily the most politically expedient) is to give people a clear, preemptive price signal they know will stay around, only then will people change their situation. I'm afraid if it's just left to the market entirely, people will be over their heads but bobbing up often enough to get a breather, until they go down for the third time.
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Re: Price Controls a-Comin'?

Unread postby DomusAlbion » Mon 09 May 2011, 11:11:42

Yes, Pops, some signals from above would be great. However, the problem with a representative government is that the pols will demagogue the hell out of the issue trying to seek political ground and to Hell with any real solutions. All they do is send mixed, confused signals.

It still gets back to how do you regulate any kind of restructuring of fuel allotment, distribution system is some fair/equitable way. I say it's impossible without another massive bureaucracy which in itself is failure from the beginning. I'm sure that won't stop the government from trying anyway.
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Re: Price Controls a-Comin'?

Unread postby dinopello » Mon 09 May 2011, 11:35:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'I')'d focus on policies that support the idea that daily travel over (say) 5 miles a day will be a dicretionary choice rather than a mandatory act of survival for most Americans.


Nice idea but how could this be regulated?


Good lord, no. Just as a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage can't be regulated. It could be something the county aspires to and is supported by government policies though. The whole car subsidy thing started out as a notion of increased personal freedom, taking to the open road and all that but we have become transportation-choice enslaved and the roads are no longer open and super expensive to boot .
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Re: Price Controls a-Comin'?

Unread postby Pops » Mon 09 May 2011, 11:45:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'Y')It still gets back to how do you regulate any kind of restructuring of fuel allotment, distribution system is some fair/equitable way. I say it's impossible without another massive bureaucracy

Do even very socialist countries have much in the way of "allotment systems"? I'd be interested to hear from our brothers in societies more inclined to fair/equitable ways - you know who you are you socialists! :lol:
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Re: Price Controls a-Comin'?

Unread postby Pops » Mon 09 May 2011, 11:55:08

Just a side note, the truck driver I mentioned above hauls gravel, asphalt, dirt, etc and says he's worried about the end of the stimulus dollars because they are super busy right now with paving projects paid with that money. Aside from those jobs they have little work.

Oh, he said they are doing some work too for private colleges - with a big emphasis on solar and "green" technologies in their expansions, and lots of the dirt work they do are building and improving facilities of grazing dairies, which are also a big topic pushed by the University Extensions. Just goes to show how our piecemeal policy staggers from here to there and at least from that little biased sample the fed is way behind what the liberal elite are thinking about.
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Re: Price Controls a-Comin'?

Unread postby Timo » Mon 09 May 2011, 15:40:33

Pops, i find your comment about some private colleges going green very interesting. We've got such a private college moving to town real soon, located in our city's tallest bank tower, no less. As our local green-tech guru (perceived, not literal), i was contacted about zoning requirements that would allow for a monumental solar and wind array on top of that tower. This contact was long before i found out that a private school was moving into that building. What you said makes perfect sense. Sadly, i had to sign a non-disclosure agreement pertaining to the mere scope and design of the project, but i don't think i'll violate that by telling you that it's a WOW! type of deal. I don't care what the payback period turns out to be. Regardless of that, this project should turn out to grab national attention just by it's design.
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Re: Price Controls a-Comin'?

Unread postby Crusty » Mon 09 May 2011, 19:50:59

Not sure if Australia is very socialist or not but in Adelaide, South Aust. everytime there was a shortage over the last 40yrs rationing was introduced without much drama. From memory it went on the car number plates odds one day and evens the next, $10 limit and no fuel on weekends. No restrictions on people with essential jobs, Police, Nurses, Doctors etc. With mates we carpooled on workdays filling a car for surf trips on the weekends. We thought we were pretty clever as we had the road near empty and quiet surf breaks to ourselves!!
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