[k_semler]

How sad, yet true. jpg

[smallpoxgirl]

You left out the part where the guy in the frilly shirt gets shot for joining the Shay's, and his land gets confiscated to pay for back taxes.

[killJOY]

who's that pony-tailed hippy [SLANG TERM FOR HOMOSEXUAL THAT BEGINS WITH AN "F"] on the left?

[edited by SPG due to hate speech]

[BiGG]

1. It sure had to suck to be stuck using the gun the guy in the “THEN” picture is holding instead of something lovely like we have today being an AR-15 or a SPAS-12 and the like.

2. Is there anybody in America that has a TV as small as the one the guy in the “NOW” has?

[k_semler]

@KillJOY:

That "hippie" as you call him is Patrick Henry.

@BiGG:

1. Not really. The soilders in that era were fighting you with the same weapons you had. It was not like today, when they were restricted from having the same exact arms that the regulars possessed, (except for the march on Lexington and Concord to take the arms to neuter the potential rebellion, (Hmm, sounds like today, but the government was successful this time around.) That is a drastically different situation when you have the same weapons versus fighting a soilder armed with a select fire M16A2 with your .22 "california legal" rifle, or even your SA AR15. Plus, they did not have air support in those days, and now they do. (let's see you fight a F-16 with a Winchester 7mm Magnum.)

2.Yes, it looks like a 13". Considering they make televisions as small as 4", it is entirely possible. My TV is only 13", and I have no use for a larger one. Hell I have no use for my 13" as it is.

[killJOY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat "hippie" as you call him is Patrick Henry.

[smallpoxgirl]

Actually, it didn't take Patrick Henry 250 years to attain persona non-grata status. He was an anti-fedralist who was quite active in decrying the dangers of the new constitution. He was persona non-grata by the mid 1780's.

Is it just me or does he bear a strange facial resemblance to Ted Nuget in the cartoon?

[heyhoser]

He was also a slave owner. Crazy Amerikana!

[k_semler]

A single man working to overthrow the government is a terrorist. 2-50 men working to overthrow the government is a terrorist organization. 50-200 men working to overthrow the government is a guerrilla force 200-1000 men working to overthrow the government is a "militia", (according to the media}. 1000-5000 men working to overthrow the government is a insurgency. 5000+ men working to overthrow the government is an army.

That said, we could have 10,000,000 men willing to fight to restore our constitutional republic, {which I have no doubt that this amount exists), but without a coordinated effort, adequate training, and sufficient arms to execute a rebellion, any effort made to engage in revolution will be a miserable failure. We are in need of all the above items, there is no way a revolution could be won today. Our best chance at freedom is for people desiring a restoration of the constitutional republic is for us all to move to a state, and change the state laws to reflect such a desire. The next step would be to recede from the Union and form our own country. This would have a far higher chance of success than a nationwide rebellion. Now the question is, what state to move to in order to do this?

[highlander]

Tehm is fitin words K
I'd say Idaho, Wyoming or Montana, as it stays dark too long in the winter in Alaska!
The libertarians did something like this a few years ago. they got about thirty people to commit to movint to a single county and try to enact change at the local level first. I think they moved to Vermont.

[ArimoDave]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander', 'T')ehm is fitin words K
I'd say Idaho, Wyoming or Montana, as it stays dark too long in the winter in Alaska!
The libertarians did something like this a few years ago. they got about thirty people to commit to movint to a single county and try to enact change at the local level first. I think they moved to Vermont.

[BiGG]

k_semler,


I’ve seen some of your posts on guns and could be you long lost twin on that subject … I love um. I used to buy just about everything I saw until I had to start maintaining a bunch of what I never used. However, I did keep all my favorites and although I’m not a hunter, I do use them regularly and can fire 1000 rounds per month easily (when I’m home anyway).

But on that other issue …… a goddamned 13” TV? I thought all of those were in museums now? No wonder you don’t watch the thing! What, do you have to sit there with one eye closed just to see something like that? I think I have a scope that big!

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')Now the question is, what state to move to in order to do this?

[k_semler]

Good point, the post PO collapse will likely result in the devolution of the United States of America, and render the federal authority rendered irrelevant, maybe even non-existent. However, considering the roman empire took close to 300 years to completely collapse, I would not count on the complete devolution of the USA within my life time. Yes, the roman empire collapsed from the outside in, but the US will probably break into segments. Eastern Washington could probably be included in the "thinks alike" category of Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Texas, but unfortunately Seattle gets pretty much what it desires.

I remember back in 2000, there was talk on KREM2 about Eastern Washington forming its own state because of the way that the state went in the election. The more I think about this, the better it seems to be. We could have Spokane as our capital city, and have a system that adopts Idaho regulations regarding class 3 weapons, but have no income tax, or "sin tax" associated with alcohol and tobacco. We could be closer to freedom then WA state has ever been. The more I think about how Eastern WA could be without the leftist influence of the west side of Washington. I would bet that eastern WA would be closer to Idaho in how its policies are executed, but western WA would journey even closer to where CA currently is. Both sides involved would see benefit out of this arrangement. I cannot see why this has not been done.

The thing is, I do not want to wait for 15-30 years for the federal government to become even more restrictive upon our natural given rights, and protecting us from ourselves while taxing us to oblivion. I do not want to wait for 50 years for the devolution of the USA to get to the point where what DC desires no longer has even the remotest impact upon my life. I want freedom to do, say, own, possesss, and think anything I want to without worrying about if DC will dictate to me that I can't do that without paying them an extortion fee. I for one am completly sick of federal intervention upon what should be only matters of local concern. If I want to grow 500 acres of marijuana, (not that that much would even grow around here anyway), if I am not engaging in interstate commerce with my product, then they have no constitutional basis to restrict me from selling my product. If I want to assemble my own FA MG42 and blow the hell out of hills on my own land, then what right does the federal authorities 3000 miles away, or state authorities 400 miles away to prohibit me from doing so? If it does not endanger anyone else's safety, what concern is it of theirs what I decide to own and use? Both of these authorities have virtually no clue about local issues, and what is "safe" for an area.

The federal government's only legitimate purpose is already set forth in the US Constitution, and they have violated the very principal upon which it was founded. I feel that the only purpose of a state government is to represent the interests of the people residing within that state at a centeralized location, but they should have no right to restrict the regulations of a locality if it does not impact other localities. The state government should only be concerned with activities that affect more than one jurisdiction. County and town governments is where the power should lie, the will of the majority will best be reflected on this level. The regulations that impact solely within that jurisdiction should be under the authority of that locality. However, since I live in an unincorporated area, the City of Colton should have no legal jurisdiction over what I do. I live 3 miles outside of their city limits, and fall under the county regulations.

I wonder if it will ever devolve, (or evolve as I see it), into a situation like this? Where each government level is only concerned with what impacts them directly. What concern is it of someone 3000, 400, or 100 miles away if I distill my own shine, smoke some marijuana, blow up a hill on my land, or waste 1000 rounds of ammunition in an hour with a FA weapon? That should be a concern of my neighbors and county officials, (or city officials if located in town), but not the federal or state authorities. I sincerely hope that some day this situation does come to pass, although the section regarding "interstate commerce" should be repealed. What is transported between states, or any business transaction done between states should be matters only concerning those parties involved. The federal authorities should not interfere in interstate trading unless asked by a party involved to do so.

[PenultimateManStanding]

We've gone from being the Land of the Free to the Land of Free Checking (courtesy of the toilet-bowl bank Washington Mutual)

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'W')e've gone from being the Land of the Free to the Land of Free Checking (courtesy of the toilet-bowl bank Washington Mutual)

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')Hey wait. What's wrong w/ Washington Mutual? I use Wash Mutual and have been very happy with them.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'O')h, that's your bank? Just heard some bad stuff about them someplace - maybe read it in the newspaper - then saw their tasteless crass ads.

[PenultimateManStanding]

The ad I saw was in the newspaper

[lutherquick]

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And he's the guy that recently confronted squinty Rummy. He now heads a large group of ex-CIA top dogs pointing at Bush's lies.

There aren't many honest Americans like this man.
Ray is a true patriot, and he says it like it is.

Ray points at our emperor and he says: "look !, the emperor doesn't have clothes on".

Nice to see someone like Ray pounding a little regime change on America, stuffing America with a little perestroika, pushing some glasnost. If we could get Ray financed by some NGO oil money from Chavez maybe we will save America, and get back our democracy.

God bless Ray.