[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IsThisRealLife', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he sales figures are out for December----Nissan sold 19 Leafs, and Chevy sold 326 Volts.

[Maddog78]

Lot of insults in this thread. Sad.
You like crotch rockets. Some others don't. We're all out in the wind.
I dislike Harley riders with 'tude about the same as crotch riders with 'tude.
It's so unnecessary.


I bought my first Harley in 1979 when they were very unfashionable.
I have easily ridden more than 150,000 miles since then, some alone and some with MC's.
I know what you are saying about these RUB's hanging around the dealers but not every Harley rider is one.
In fact I haven't been in a dealership since I bought my Vrod in '03.
If it isn't something I can't do myself I support my local independent shop.
Some of us old school riders are still around.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', 'L')ot of insults in this thread. Sad.
You like crotch rockets. Some others don't. We're all out in the wind.
I dislike Harley riders with 'tude about the same as crotch riders with 'tude.
It's so unnecessary.

[rangerone314]

Maybe Xeno can tackle this one, but assuming there is enough lithium, etc to make enough batteries for the cars needed to be replaced, why would people be worried about future supply running out?

Even if you ran the supply down to where you had to use ocean water, couldn't you just recycle the lithium in the batteries as their useful life ends?

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'M')aybe Xeno can tackle this one, but assuming there is enough lithium, etc to make enough batteries for the cars needed to be replaced, why would people be worried about future supply running out?

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', 'H')ardley riders are somehow different. Slower maybe, but not really different.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '
')When you say "slow" are you referring to velocity or intelligence ?

[vtsnowedin]

OK now that you guys have had your biker tale interlude back to the EVs.
Xeno have you seen this report on EVs and the required infrastructure to charge them?
http://www.accenture.com/SiteCollection ... e_game.pdf
Pretty up to date and a lot of interesting points. From the conclusion section.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hile there are still many lessons to be learned, the early results from the pilots indicate that the technology works. However, three key challenges remain.
Cost
The technology is still too expensive for consumers to purchase vehicles at scale and for a return on infrastructure investment to be made.
Scale
While the technologies function in an isolated environment, there are too few PEVs on the road to robustly test the technologies.
Control
Managed charging will be fundamental to protecting the grid and to permit managed charging, consumers will need to be incentivized to plug in to the grid whenever parked. 3. Creative mechanisms will be critical to overcoming key challenges related to technology cost, scale and
grid management. Industry players need to be proactive about market developments to stimulate demand and be creative in the mechanisms that they develop to support mass commercialization of PEVs—this end goal will then further help to overcome the barriers
previously identified. For example, consumer uptake will be limited by the current cost of PEVs, at a significant premium to conventional vehicles, but if the cost of the PEV is spread out over the vehicle’s lifetime, higher consumer uptake is likely.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'c')onsumers will need to be incentivized to plug in to the grid whenever parked.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'O')K now that you guys have had your biker tale interlude back to the EVs.
Xeno have you seen this report on EVs and the required infrastructure to charge them?
http://www.accenture.com/SiteCollection ... e_game.pdf
Pretty up to date and a lot of interesting points.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', 'N')o I haven't, but thanks for the pointer. I'll check it out this evening. Cool. Nothing insurmountable and it works. Pretty reasonable. I'll check the particulars this evening.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
')Ahem! A challenge that remains May or may Not be insurmountable. Time will tell.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
')Ahem! A challenge that remains May or may Not be insurmountable. Time will tell.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
')If you want that "some chunk" to be more then a tiny sliver it will take more then some BS sessions to solve it. If electric cars are to both get away from oil use and coal use (merely switching from one to the other accomplishes nothing) then we have to not only replace every thirty year old nuclear power plant as they are finally shut down.