QUESTION: Is BiGG really an idiot? Why how could he be that stupid? What’s with all of his “Techno crap will save US”?
ANSWER: I thought I told you Bio baby! Weren’t you listening?
Ethanol = Booze = Bio = BioWASTE = Weeds = Potatoes = Corn = Grain = Trees = Paper Mill Waste = Grapes = Agricultural & Forestry Wastes = Garbage = you can just about name it, what’s very old is very new again. Bio + Electric is your future!
The United States is finally switching back to where it should have been all along (read the article if you want to see where we got screwed bad by the oil industry) and produced 3,41 billion gallons of Ethanol last year and the numbers are climbing rapidly with many, many new plants being announced & built right now!
Wanna see where many oil advocates got all of their misinformation? Wanna see where EROEI arguments are ridiculous when talking about running things like your car? Wanna see a very old car that could run on gasoline, alcohol, or kerosene (kerosene is basically diesel fuel)? That car is a Ford Model T!
Wanna see where “BIO” can and has been working for 100+ years and how we are getting screwed by using Middle Eastern Oil when we have an abundance of bio that could be making US rich instead! We are changing our bad habits back right now and putting money back into our economy instead of the Middle East.
This should be one of the most fascinating & enlightening articles you’ve ever read!
The Fuel of the Future by Professor Bill Kovarik, Ph.D.
This is How We Will Have Clean Air & Get Rich
Same Artical in PDF Format Here
"Henry Ford told a New York Times reporter that ethyl alcohol was "the fuel of the future" in 1925 = There's enough alcohol in one year's yield of an acre of potatoes to drive the machinery necessary to cultivate the fields for a hundred years."
Grain is not "used" for fuel; it is fed to cattle after it is distilled with no loss in food value. This is as true of brewers' grains from beer distilleries as it is of fuel facilities. (We have over 120 million cows is the USA alone and this “used” grain can be used for pigs, chickens, returned to the soil etc.))
“During the 1890 – 1914 time period, German, French and British scientists and government officials were worried about the longevity of oil reserves and the unpredictable nature of oil supplies from Russia and America……”
“Most popular cars, such as the Ford Model T, had low compression engines, an adjustable carburetor and a spark advance that made it possible to switch from gasoline to alcohol to kerosene as needed….”
Despite Ford's later support for alcohol fuel in the 1920s and 1930s …….."
“ …by 1906 ten percent of the engines being produced by the firm's parent company in Germany were designed to run on pure ethyl alcohol, while one third of the heavy locomotives produced at the Deutz Gas engine works of Germany ran on pure ethyl alcohol…..”
“By the mid-1920s ethyl alcohol was routinely blended with gasoline in every industrialized nation except the United States. Ten to twenty five percent alcohol blends with gasoline were common in Scandinavian countries, where alcohol was made from paper mill wastes; in France, Germany and throughout continental Europe, where alcohol was made from surplus grapes, potatoes and other crops; and in Australia, Brazil, Cuba, Hawaii, the Philippians, South Africa, and other tropical regions, where it was made from sugar cane and molasses. In some countries, especially France, gasoline retailers were required to blend in large volumes of alcohol with all gasoline sold. Germany, Brazil and others also followed the "mandatory blending" model. In other countries, such as Sweden, Ireland and Britain, alcohol blends received tax advantages….”
“Alcohol fuels advocacy among American farmers was present in the 1906 – 1908 period and again in the 1930s. Scientists and engineers in the U.S. and Europe ranged from neutral to enthusiastic about the clean burning, high compression characteristics of alcohol fuel, yet the U.S. oil industry claimed …..”
“If there is an historical lesson to learn from the "fuel of the future," it is that technology is often political. In this case, fuel technology developed in a direction that was a matter of policy choice and not predetermined by any clear advantage of one technology over another.”
“Modern researchers have noted that the value of alcohol as a fuel depends on whether it is considered a gasoline substitute or an octane enhancer. "If refiners turn to using alcohols as octane enhancers as lead phasedown occurs, there may be sufficient demand to warrant the capital outlay required for production facilities, in which case the market value of alcohol fuels would become much greater," according to the Canadian Energy Research Institute…..”
“USDA tests in 1906 also demonstrated the efficiency of alcohol in engines and described how gasoline engines could be modified for higher power with pure alcohol fuel or for equivalent fuel consumption, depending on the need.63 The U.S. Geological Service and the U.S. Navy performed 2000 tests on alcohol and gasoline engines in 1907 and 1908 in Norfolk, Va. and St. Louis, Mo. They found that much higher engine compression ratios could be achieved with alcohol than with gasoline.”
“By 1860, thousands of distilleries churned out at least 90 million gallons of alcohol per year for….”
“By one 1906 account, some 72,000 German distilleries operated, of which 57,000 were small farm "Materialbrennereien" stills producing a total of 27 million gallons.47 Another account, from 1914, put the number at 6,000 distilleries producing 66 million gallons of alcohol per year……”
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The Fuel of the Future + Is BiGG an Idiot?
The Fuel of the Future + Is BiGG an Idiot?
by BiGG » Mon 16 May 2005, 18:03:41
"The Stone Age did not end for lack of stone, and the Oil Age will end long before the world runs out of oil" ............ Former Saudi Arabian oil minister Sheikh Zaki Yamani,
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by Jack » Mon 16 May 2005, 18:26:49
Ah, yes, Professor Bill Kovarik, Ph.D.
And who is this fellow who will save us? What is his background?
He earned his Ph.D. in Public Communication, College of Journalism, University of Maryland.
Not in a science - not chemistry, nor physics.
And what papers has he published? You can see a list HERE. They don't deal with energy much.
And when we look at the one NSF funded publication - one that deals not with energy, but with education about energy - we find that Professor Kovarik has no answers. He merely offers questions.
You can see them in the blue panel on the left at This Location
He asks a salient question:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')NERGY BALANCE: Does it take more fossil energy to produce ethanol than ethanol itself delivers? Expert views vary considerably, but if so, ethanol would not be renewable, and thus would not help counteract global warming.
And who is this fellow who will save us? What is his background?
He earned his Ph.D. in Public Communication, College of Journalism, University of Maryland.
Not in a science - not chemistry, nor physics.
And what papers has he published? You can see a list HERE. They don't deal with energy much.
And when we look at the one NSF funded publication - one that deals not with energy, but with education about energy - we find that Professor Kovarik has no answers. He merely offers questions.
You can see them in the blue panel on the left at This Location
He asks a salient question:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')NERGY BALANCE: Does it take more fossil energy to produce ethanol than ethanol itself delivers? Expert views vary considerably, but if so, ethanol would not be renewable, and thus would not help counteract global warming.
Ahh, if only an answer were forthcoming!
Numbers? We don't need no stinkin' numbers!
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by BiGG » Mon 16 May 2005, 18:37:12
Hold your horses there Jack! Don’t shoot the messenger just because he isn’t an expert on everything on the planet like some try to pass themselves off as! This information linked is fact including background information & many, many sources WHO ARE experts in these fields in question! It makes me wonder why you have to be so negative about everything all the time, is negativity blinding you to all the factual information this messenger has provided you?
What do you think about lawyers writing books about oil btw?
Education? We don’t need no stinkin’ education unless it supports doom!
What do you think about lawyers writing books about oil btw?
Education? We don’t need no stinkin’ education unless it supports doom!
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by cube » Mon 16 May 2005, 18:37:16
You know it's kinda funny when I moved my pointer over the link and saw the phrase "hempfarm.org" in the status bar of my browser the article lost any hope of credibility. Most articles lose their credibility in the first paragraph but this one lost it without me having to even bother visiting the site. Now that's a record!
I'm sorry but I just can't make myself click on that link.
I'm sorry but I just can't make myself click on that link.
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by BiGG » Mon 16 May 2005, 18:39:58
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'Y')ou know it's kinda funny when I moved my pointer over the link and saw the phrase "hempfarm.org" in the status bar of my browser the article lost any hope of credibility. Most articles lose their credibility in the first paragraph but this one lost it without me having to even bother visiting the site. Now that's a record!
I'm sorry but I just can't make myself click on that link.
I'm sorry but I just can't make myself click on that link.
So read the PDF file instead where you will see nonstop fascinating factsfrom scientists & experts all over the world quoted.
"The Stone Age did not end for lack of stone, and the Oil Age will end long before the world runs out of oil" ............ Former Saudi Arabian oil minister Sheikh Zaki Yamani,
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by Jack » Mon 16 May 2005, 18:52:25
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'Y')ou know it's kinda funny when I moved my pointer over the link and saw the phrase "hempfarm.org" in the status bar of my browser the article lost any hope of credibility. Most articles lose their credibility in the first paragraph but this one lost it without me having to even bother visiting the site. Now that's a record!
I'm sorry but I just can't make myself click on that link.
I'm sorry but I just can't make myself click on that link.
A wise decision. Please note the date from the abstract:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')bstract
The fuel of the future, according to inventor Henry Ford and General Motors' scientist Charles F. Kettering, was ethyl alcohol made from farm products and cellulosic materials. Henry Ford's outright support culminated with the the Dearborn, Mich. "Chemurgy" conferences in the 1930s. Little is known about Kettering's interest in ethyl alcohol fuel and how it fit into G.M.'s long term strategy. Moreover, aside from the Chemurgy conferences and a brief period of commercial alcohol-gasoline sales in the Midwest during the 1930s, very little is known about the technological, economic and political context of alcohol fuels use. This paper examines that context, including the competition between lamp fuels in the 19th century; the scientific studies about alcohol as a fuel in the early 20th century; the development of "ethyl" leaded gasoline as a bridge to the "fuel of the future" in the 1920s; the worldwide use of alcohol - gasoline blends in the 1920s and 30s; and the eventual emergence of the farm "Chemurgy" movement and its support for alcohol fuel in the 1930s.
Worse, the paper deals with the use of lead additives as opposed to ethanol. The fundamental issue - is ethanol a viable replacement for oil - is never addressed.
Numbers? We don't need no stinkin' numbers!
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