[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'A')nd I suppose that if China turns fascist and wipes out the US, you will assume that freedom is bad?

Ever read "Guns, Germs, and Steel"? Europeans won for reasons other than Indians having more freedom.

[Serial_Worrier]

BTW to OP - good luck with disobeying the law. I'm sure you'll have a swell time in prison sharing a cell with bubba.

[paimei01]

Why would I want to disobey the law ?
I was saying - would you be bad, evil, with no laws ? Not - to your friends and family. What about towards strangers ?
Let's say you have lots of friends, and they are all near, and you have everything you need, and you feel ok. Civilization is gone. There are no laws, but you don't need them, you would not steal from or kill your friends. Or rape their wives... Stuff like that. Think laws prevent you from that ? We are not machines.
And you meet a stranger. He has no friends (tribe). He is just passing by. He is afraid (it's a Mad Max world) Kill him ? Rob him ? Just like that ?
Of course there will be "evil" people. And evil groups. You can tell a group is evil - and nothing good can come from them - when they need laws, and force (police) - inside the group else they disintegrate. When there is only one commander, and the rest do as he says - or get punished. Where not their own self respect, but fear of law keeps them from disintegrating. Where some are rich and others starve. Where some own land and others are slaves. And they still dare call themselves a "nation". This is - civilization today. And it's spread over the entire planet.

http://paimei01.blogspot.com/2009/10/life.html
http://paimei01.blogspot.com/2010/12/ancient-lives.html

Forgot to say, the evil group will force all children - into a 12 year prison sentence, at age 6 or 7. When the simple "I have the guns you do the work" - is too obvious, and they try to look good. To make it clear to them "how things are". And the children - will submit. They won't fight back, most of them (too small). "See, no violence here!" will say the rulers. And the parents will submit - "that's how things are" they will say

http://www.cantrip.org/gatto.html
http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/chapter5-6.php

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;The child has to become unloving, unspontaneous. He has to deaden his sensitivity just to survive -- every child, more or less; the difference is only of degrees. Every child has to learn tricks to survive. And the basic trick is: never be spontaneous. Be formal, never be natural, because your spontaneity is bound to be punished and your formality praised, rewarded. The parents enforce a subtle strategy: they create fear in the child if he says the truth. Nobody wants the child to say the truth, and the child is not yet capable of Lying. But he has to learn."

[Cloud9]

The law lays out the rules we play by. It lets the parties know where the sidelines and the goal posts are. Unfortunately, at this moment in time, the law has rigged the game and constrains the righteous wrath of the community and protects the wrongdoer. The overwhelming majority in this country believes that the country is being raped and pillaged by the super banks. Most accept the fact that two branches of our government are so prostituted to the power mongers on Wall Street that there is no justice. There is just us. Our final hope lies with the court system and the ballot box. Should that hope be quashed, all that is left is the rough justice of vigilantism.

It is already starting in Mexico and it will spread north.

http://mexidata.info/id2451.html

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'A')nd I suppose that if China turns fascist and wipes out the US, you will assume that freedom is bad?

Ever read "Guns, Germs, and Steel"? Europeans won for reasons other than Indians having more freedom.