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Re: Unemployment benefits and tax breaks => 2/3 of US shoppe

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 13:00:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IsThisRealLife', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'I')n Rome, the rich subsidized...
Ah, the rich, always the nice generous people helping the poor and saving the day. (Sarcasm off.)

Why is it that often the rich is painted as subsidizing the poor, and rarely the other way around? Every flat fee, tax, etc, i.e., $20 per air ticket for air transportation safety, $10 for dog tags, $5 for road toll, etc, etc, is the poor subsidizing the rich. :evil:


because the poor will kill the rich, if they don't. They will devalue their assets. Of course, more than often some poor subsidize some rich, but that is not the case generally. Because The state itself exists to protect the rich from the poor.
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Re: Unemployment benefits and tax breaks => 2/3 of US shoppe

Unread postby IsThisRealLife » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 13:55:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'O')f course, more than often some poor subsidize some rich, but that is not the case generally.
Try again. More than often means very frequently, which means the general case.
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Re: Unemployment benefits and tax breaks => 2/3 of US shoppe

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 15:26:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IsThisRealLife', '
')Why is it that often the rich is painted as subsidizing the poor, and rarely the other way around? Every flat fee, tax, etc, i.e., $20 per air ticket for air transportation safety, $10 for dog tags, $5 for road toll, etc, etc, is the poor subsidizing the rich. :evil:



Nonsense, that's the rich gifting you with an economy. Without the rich, there would be no jobs, roads, air travel, etc etc.

(sarcasm)
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Re: Unemployment benefits and tax breaks => 2/3 of US shoppe

Unread postby dsula » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 15:32:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IsThisRealLife', '
')Why is it that often the rich is painted as subsidizing the poor, and rarely the other way around? Every flat fee, tax, etc, i.e., $20 per air ticket for air transportation safety, $10 for dog tags, $5 for road toll, etc, etc, is the poor subsidizing the rich. :evil:



Nonsense, that's the rich gifting you with an economy. Without the rich, there would be no jobs, roads, air travel, etc etc.

(sarcasm)


That is true. IT IS UNFAIR. All prices in all stores should be adjusted for income. If you make $1M/year, you pay $5k for an apple. If you make $10k, you pay $0.5.
That way everybody can afford exaclty the same things, no matter the salary. (you guessed it, sarcasm)
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Re: Unemployment benefits and tax breaks => 2/3 of US shoppe

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 18:12:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IsThisRealLife', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'O')f course, more than often some poor subsidize some rich, but that is not the case generally.
Try again. More than often means very frequently, which means the general case.



No need to pluck out a feather from my goose when you have your own and its dead already.
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Re: Unemployment benefits and tax breaks => 2/3 of US shoppe

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 18:23:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IsThisRealLife', '
')Why is it that often the rich is painted as subsidizing the poor, and rarely the other way around? Every flat fee, tax, etc, i.e., $20 per air ticket for air transportation safety, $10 for dog tags, $5 for road toll, etc, etc, is the poor subsidizing the rich. :evil:



Nonsense, that's the rich gifting you with an economy. Without the rich, there would be no jobs, roads, air travel, etc etc.

(sarcasm)


Without the rich, you would have to take care of your auntie ( who costs them what, 50, 60 k a year ? more?) and you would pay for your own insurance, among many other things. (no sarcasm)
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Re: Unemployment benefits and tax breaks => 2/3 of US shoppe

Unread postby americandream » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 18:24:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IsThisRealLife', '
')Why is it that often the rich is painted as subsidizing the poor, and rarely the other way around? Every flat fee, tax, etc, i.e., $20 per air ticket for air transportation safety, $10 for dog tags, $5 for road toll, etc, etc, is the poor subsidizing the rich. :evil:



Nonsense, that's the rich gifting you with an economy. Without the rich, there would be no jobs, roads, air travel, etc etc.

(sarcasm)


Without the rich, you would have to take care of your auntie ( who costs them what, 50, 60 k a year ? more?) and you would pay for your own insurance, among many other things. (no sarcasm)


Without bailouts and other freebies, there would be no rich. (no sarcasm).
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Re: Unemployment benefits and tax breaks => 2/3 of US shoppe

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 18:34:08

By the way , you've mentioned that if ( the rich taxpayers) didnt take care of your auntie, your family would not be able to do that on your own ( 1500 calories a day, some smelly clothes and a bunk bed are tough to come by nowdays, I understand). So what would you do with her then? Will it be quick at least?
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Re: Unemployment benefits and tax breaks => 2/3 of US shoppe

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 18:37:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IsThisRealLife', '
')Why is it that often the rich is painted as subsidizing the poor, and rarely the other way around? Every flat fee, tax, etc, i.e., $20 per air ticket for air transportation safety, $10 for dog tags, $5 for road toll, etc, etc, is the poor subsidizing the rich. :evil:



Nonsense, that's the rich gifting you with an economy. Without the rich, there would be no jobs, roads, air travel, etc etc.

(sarcasm)


Without the rich, you would have to take care of your auntie ( who costs them what, 50, 60 k a year ? more?) and you would pay for your own insurance, among many other things. (no sarcasm)


Without bailouts and other freebies, there would be no rich. (no sarcasm).


Her auntie would be doomed then ( but no worries, the rich will always be here with us).
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Re: Unemployment benefits and tax breaks => 2/3 of US shoppe

Unread postby americandream » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 18:47:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'H')er auntie would be doomed then ( but no worries, the rich will always be here with us).


Pending the discovery of a resourcing Singularity or the conquest of new resourcing planets,
the rich will be with us for as long as resourcing allows.
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Re: Unemployment benefits and tax breaks => 2/3 of US shoppe

Unread postby IsThisRealLife » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 18:57:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'W')ithout the rich, you would have to take care of your auntie (who costs them what, 50, 60 k a year ? more?) and you would pay for your own insurance, among many other things. (no sarcasm)
The rich takes care of auntie and pays for our insurance?!?!

Dood, it's the other way around. The reason the self-called rich can afford health insurance is because 200M poor people pay barely-affordable monthly premiums, which in turn subsidize the average cost of health insurance for the self-called rich. There wouldn't be health insurance without 200M participants. It'd be pay as you go treatments, and the self-called rich wouldn't be able to afford it. The real rich, Gates, Allen, Buffett, etc, don't care about have insurance. They own the hospital.

Pat youself in the back. YOU subsidize the self-called rich. Congrats!
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Re: Unemployment benefits and tax breaks => 2/3 of US shoppe

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 19:48:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'H')er auntie would be doomed then ( but no worries, the rich will always be here with us).


Pending the discovery of a resourcing Singularity or the conquest of new resourcing planets,
the rich will be with us for as long as resourcing allows.


You must be an idiot if you think that the rich cannot exist in a shrinkening economy.
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Re: Unemployment benefits and tax breaks => 2/3 of US shoppe

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 20:09:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IsThisRealLife', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'W')ithout the rich, you would have to take care of your auntie (who costs them what, 50, 60 k a year ? more?) and you would pay for your own insurance, among many other things. (no sarcasm)
The rich takes care of auntie and pays for our insurance?!?!

Dood, it's the other way around. The reason the self-called rich can afford health insurance is because 200M poor people pay barely-affordable monthly premiums, which in turn subsidize the average cost of health insurance for the self-called rich. There wouldn't be health insurance without 200M participants. It'd be pay as you go treatments, and the self-called rich wouldn't be able to afford it. The real rich, Gates, Allen, Buffett, etc, don't care about have insurance. They own the hospital.

Pat youself in the back. YOU subsidize the self-called rich. Congrats!


1)Pay as you go treatment would be uncomparably cheaper;
2) I subsidize the rich? Dude, all I brought to this world was a few gallons of fruit and some cases of spring flowers. I consumed considerably more stuff than that. I'm sure you did the same without even knowing you, just by knowing that 90% of American jobs do not produce anything.
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Re: Unemployment benefits and tax breaks => 2/3 of US shoppe

Unread postby IsThisRealLife » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 20:56:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'P')ay as you go treatment would be uncomparably cheaper.
So I imagine you don't have health insurance. Every time you need treatment, you go to the hospital, get treated, write a check, and off you go.

My eye you do! :P
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Re: Unemployment benefits and tax breaks => 2/3 of US shoppe

Unread postby Lore » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 21:18:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IsThisRealLife', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'P')ay as you go treatment would be uncomparably cheaper.
So I imagine you don't have health insurance. Every time you need treatment, you go to the hospital, get treated, write a check, and off you go.

My eye you do! :P


Unfortunately, and a real indication of how much trouble our health care system is in, the uninsured are using our hospital emergency centers as their primary health care. At which point they get treatment, but end up not paying the bill. Eventually this will drive some hospitals to the crisis point of either closing and therefore their doors to everyone, or refusing to honor taking anyone without insurance that doesn’t first pay up front.
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Re: Unemployment benefits and tax breaks => 2/3 of US shoppe

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 07 Dec 2010, 09:27:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')Unfortunately, and a real indication of how much trouble our health care system is in, the uninsured are using our hospital emergency centers as their primary health care.



Of course the emergency room isn't going to treat you for chronic or long-term problems, such as diabetes or high blood pressure, which are epidemic in the US due to poor diet and lack of exercise. :( Instead, folks wait until these disorders cause an acute problem (diabetic coma, stroke) and then go to the emergency room and run up a giant unpayable bill before they die.

We don't want "socialized health care" so we'd rather let tens of millions of people have chronic untreated health conditions and run up unpayable bills at the emergency room. :(

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Unread postby IsThisRealLife » Tue 07 Dec 2010, 11:42:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '.')..we'd rather let tens of millions of people have chronic untreated health conditions and run up unpayable bills at the emergency room.
The little detail that irks me, Ludi, is that thousands, perhaps a few million of those 210 million shoppers of Black Friday "weekend" used their meager funds to buy discretionary holiday items with "socialized" money, rather than use it wisely, ie, towards health, education, etc.

Thus my (partial) rant: why bother?
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Re: Unemployment benefits and tax breaks => 2/3 of US shoppe

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 07 Dec 2010, 11:48:56

Is taht what the TV told you, get real.....
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Unread postby IsThisRealLife » Tue 07 Dec 2010, 12:23:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'I')s taht what the TV told you, get real.....
CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, MSNBC and even FoxNoise. But please tell us the truth.
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Re: Unemployment benefits and tax breaks => 2/3 of US shoppe

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 07 Dec 2010, 13:45:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IsThisRealLife', 'T')he little detail that irks me, Ludi, is that thousands, perhaps a few million of those 210 million shoppers of Black Friday "weekend" used their meager funds to buy discretionary holiday items with "socialized" money, rather than use it wisely, ie, towards health, education, etc.

Thus my (partial) rant: why bother?



You can't make imprudent people prudent by punishing them with chronic illnesses. You can't expect them to magically learn how to manage money in a society which gives them every encouragement to spend even money they don't have.

Yep, I slap my head constantly because people make stupid decisions. What does it get me? A sore head. :roll: It doesn't make people magically capable of making the right decisions against all they're told every single day by our society. People don't learn in our society how to manage money prudently, how to eat right,etc. They are taught the opposite - "Buy this wonderful thing you don't need! Eat this delicious unhealthy food!"
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