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Re: “BuildingWhat?” Appears on Geraldo At Large on FOX News!

Unread postby Carlhole » Wed 24 Nov 2010, 18:46:01

Andrew Napolitano, Fox Business Host, Reveals He Is A 9/11 Truther

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ox Business host Andrew Napolitano revealed on Tuesday that he does not believe the government's account of the 9/11 attacks. Napolitano, who hosts "Freedom Watch" on Fox Business and is frequently seen on Fox News as a legal analyst, told radio host Alex Jones — who is a prominent 9/11 conspiracy theorist —that the attacks "couldn't possibly have been done the way the government told us."

The subject came about when Jones noted that Geraldo Rivera had recently raised questions about the collapse of World Trade Center 7 on Napolitano's Fox Business Show. 9/11 conspiracy theorists have centered on that building's collapse, contending that it was blown up by government forces. Jones asked Napolitano what his opinion about the issue was.

Napolitano replied:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;It's hard for me to believe that it came down by itself...I am gratified to see that people across the board are interested. I think twenty years from now, people will look at 9-11 the way we look at the assassination of JFK today. It couldn't possibly have been done the way the government told us."
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Re: “BuildingWhat?” Appears on Geraldo At Large on FOX News!

Unread postby Cog » Wed 24 Nov 2010, 19:04:14

People who don't believe in conspiracies can easily believe that Oswald shot Kennedy and that nineteen guys from the Mideast highjacked four planes.

If you want people to believe otherwise, then you have the burden of proof not me.
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Re: “BuildingWhat?” Appears on Geraldo At Large on FOX News!

Unread postby Carlhole » Wed 24 Nov 2010, 20:02:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'P')eople who don't believe in conspiracies can easily believe that Oswald shot Kennedy and that nineteen guys from the Mideast highjacked four planes.

If you want people to believe otherwise, then you have the burden of proof not me.


If the 911 Truth Movement had "proof", there would be no need for an investigation, now would there? The Truth Movement wants a renewed investigation to get whatever "proof" may possibly be obtained from evidence or records. It wants answers to serious questions that have been continually evaded or stone-walled. The evidence and records should tell the true tale.

Sounds like you just haven't read or watched anything on the subject. The burden of proof falls on the official investigating agencies. Millions of people have now become aware that this burden of proof was never fulfilled. Most of the 911 Commission members even agree that their investigation was set up to fail and that their investigation was stymied.

Any proper "proof" would have been able to answer to the violations of physics in the building collapses, answer the peer-reviewed scientific study of the composition of the WTC dust which found traces of active thermitic material, would not ignore or hide the many, many high quality witnesses testifying to bombs and molten metal running like lava... the list of serious questions is very long.

911:Blueprint for Truth [2008] by Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth, which has 1350+ verified building professionals and engineers as members now.

That's the best place to start. Some important things have happened since 2008, such as the release of additional damning testimonies and videos.
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Re: “BuildingWhat?” Appears on Geraldo At Large on FOX News!

Unread postby rangerone314 » Wed 24 Nov 2010, 20:18:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')onight! On "America's Shiniest Objects!"

Looks like it's time to steer the hyper gullible base of the Tea Party off in some irrelevant direction and discredit them.
Who is at the steering wheel? Liberals or Republicans? Or is it the same secret illuminati society that took down the buildings?

What illuminati? It was taken down by ALIENS man! (oops that is the plot of "The Event" TV show)
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Re: “BuildingWhat?” Appears on Geraldo At Large on FOX News!

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 25 Nov 2010, 05:53:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wiki', 'A')ndrew Paolo Napolitano (born June 6, 1950 in Newark, New Jersey) is a former New Jersey Superior Court Judge and now a political and legal analyst for Fox News Channel. Napolitano started on the channel in 1998, and currently serves as the network's senior judicial analyst, commenting on legal news and trials...

Prior to joining Fox as a news analyst, Napolitano was the presiding judge on the television show, Power of Attorney, in which people brought small-claims disputes to a televised courtroom. In difference to similar formats, plaintiffs and defendants were represented, "pro bono," by famous attorneys. The show ran in syndication during the 2000–2001 season...

Napolitano hosts an Fox Business Channel show called Freedom Watch. Frequent guests to Freedom Watch are Congressman Ron Paul, economist Peter Schiff, and Lew Rockwell...

Napolitano regularly substitutes for television host Glenn Beck when Beck is absent from his program.

In March, 2010, Napolitano's fifth book was released: Lies the Government Told You: Myth, Power, and Deception in American History.


Amazing

I looked on Amazon for reviews of Napolitano's book:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('L. H. Rockwell, Jr. "Libertarian" (Auburn, Alabama) - See all my reviews
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This review is from: Lies the Government Told You: Myth, Power, and Deception in American History (Hardcover)
Andrew Napolitano's latest book is just what Republican conservatives and Tea Partiers need to read, to arm them against the federal government's lies. It's a wonderful gift for a young person too. As on FOX, the Judge's deep knowledge of the Constitution and American history are joined to great story-telling, with the moral Americans need to hear about the real nature of the US government. And the introduction is by Ron Paul. Read this book!


That's Lew Rockwell endorsing Napolitano wholeheartedly.

Like I said..."amazing". Fox News the first to give 911 skeptics a quality voice like this guy...Who woulda thunk it?
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Re: “BuildingWhat?” Appears on Geraldo At Large on FOX News!

Unread postby Koyaanisqatsi » Thu 25 Nov 2010, 23:53:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')Like I said..."amazing". Fox News the first to give 911 skeptics a quality voice like this guy...Who woulda thunk it?

Another one to the list:
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
Oh wait, these people are all CRAAZY!
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Re: “BuildingWhat?” Appears on Geraldo At Large on FOX News!

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Fri 26 Nov 2010, 02:36:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')onight! On "America's Shiniest Objects!"

Looks like it's time to steer the hyper gullible base of the Tea Party off in some irrelevant direction and discredit them.

I like how this guy thinks - oh wait I wrote that a couple weeks ago.....
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Extended exposure to Fox News makes you stupid

Unread postby IsThisRealLife » Sat 18 Dec 2010, 11:58:18

What a surprise!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '9')1% believed the stimulus legislation lost jobs;
72% believed the health reform law will increase the deficit;
72% believed the economy is getting worse;
60% believed climate change is not occurring;
49% believed income taxes have gone up;
63% believed the stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts;
56% believed Obama initiated the GM/Chrysler bailout;
38% believed that most Republicans opposed TARP;
63% believed Obama was not born in the U.S. (or that it is unclear).


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/stud ... rs-stupid/

http://www.blackbookmag.com/article/fox ... g-on/24061
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Re: Extended exposure to Fox News makes you stupid

Unread postby Lore » Sat 18 Dec 2010, 12:16:44

I think this just really points out that people with similar beliefs naturally gravitate to viewing and listening towards what they want to hear. The echo chamber affect helps to reinforce their conclusions and makes them feel more secure.
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Re: Extended exposure to Fox News makes you stupid

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sat 18 Dec 2010, 18:02:15

8) Interesting little poll. But we need to compare it to what is believed by the viewers of MSNBC. And what do you do about those viewers that bounce between them and take both sides with a large helping of salt.
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Re: Extended exposure to Fox News makes you stupid

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 18 Dec 2010, 18:32:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '8')) Interesting little poll. But we need to compare it to what is believed by the viewers of MSNBC. And what do you do about those viewers that bounce between them and take both sides with a large helping of salt.


Amen to that, even Reagan urged people to "Trust but Verify!"
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Re: Extended exposure to Fox News makes you stupid

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sat 18 Dec 2010, 18:38:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '8')) Interesting little poll. But we need to compare it to what is believed by the viewers of MSNBC. And what do you do about those viewers that bounce between them and take both sides with a large helping of salt.
Why, does MSNBC just make up story after story and hoaxes back to back, night after night? Because Fox sure does. You know, that's why you can find analysis of Fox showing it as a series of hoaxes and propaganda pieces, and you can't find compilations of nightly MSNBC hoaxes.

Having been stuck watching some Fox the last couple days, the constant theme is that the government has collapsed, nothing works, so dismantle the whole thing. Which gives me a chance to ask, who is Fox News planning to take over the power, who is planning to pick up the pieces? Why won't they tell us who is set to seize power after we rush to dismantle everything?

The other thing I am seeing is that suddenly people are are aware that their pensions are about to be slashed, and in many cases these are people that stayed with pretty low paying jobs over the years so they could get a modest pension, which is about to go away just before they retire. Parents are also starting to realize how much salaries have declined over the last twenty years. And they are worried about their grand kids, and I am reminding that under the miraculous free market probably none of their grand children will ever have health insurance.

They are just starting to get a hint about the GOP's ideologically driven blitzkrieg destruction of America that is just starting to gather steam.
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Re: Extended exposure to Fox News makes you stupid

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sat 18 Dec 2010, 19:05:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'W')hy, does MSNBC just make up story after story and hoaxes back to back, night after night? Because Fox sure does. You know, that's why you can find analysis of Fox showing it as a series of hoaxes and propaganda pieces, and you can't find compilations of nightly MSNBC hoaxes.
... They are just starting to get a hint about the GOP's ideologically driven blitzkrieg destruction of America that is just starting to gather steam.

8) Are you trying to say that MSNBC is impartial and never puts out propaganda pieces? That Chris Mathews did not say that he would do whatever it takes to see president Obama succeed. And that Kieth Oberman, Rachel Maddow and Ed Schultz did not have a partial mental breakdown at the loss of control of the house. And of course none of these ever fill air time with some other story to deflect attention away from some piece of bad news. So you thing these guys are right all the time and they are on your side and would not tell you a lie? I have a bridge to sell you cheap.
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Re: Extended exposure to Fox News makes you stupid

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 18 Dec 2010, 19:06:29

I don't have time to correct all the errors in this poll, but lets just take the first one:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote(' ', '9')1% believed the stimulus legislation lost jobs


In Jan 2009 when the stimulus legislation was passed and put into effect, the US unemployment rate was about 7.5%. The current unemployment rate is 9.8% because the US has lost millions of jobs since the stimulus legislation was put into effect.

unemployment charts

The facts are clear---rather than creating jobs, Obama's failed economic policies resulted in the loss of millions of jobs and an increase in the unemployment rate since he became president. As recently as last month the unemployment rate went up ===from 9.6 to 9.8%--- (and thats not even counting all the millions of people who have lost their jobs but aren't even counted as unemployed because they are classified as "discourage" or "underemployed."

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Re: Extended exposure to Fox News makes you stupid

Unread postby SpringCreekFarm » Sat 18 Dec 2010, 19:51:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '8')) Interesting little poll. But we need to compare it to what is believed by the viewers of MSNBC. ...
Why, does MSNBC just make up story after story and hoaxes back to back, night after night? Because Fox sure does. You know, that's why you can find analysis of Fox showing it as a series of hoaxes and propaganda pieces, and you can't find compilations of nightly MSNBC hoaxes.
...They are just starting to get a hint about the GOP's ideologically driven blitzkrieg destruction of America that is just starting to gather steam.

8) Are you trying to say that MSNBC is impartial and never puts out propaganda pieces? ... So you thing these guys are right all the time and they are on your side and would not tell you a lie? I have a bridge to sell you cheap.

I guess we'll have to wait for the poll that comes out slamming MSNBC in the same light as Fox. Don't hold your breath.

BTW...what's wrong with helping your president succeed? IS it better to help him fail?

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Re: Extended exposure to Fox News makes you stupid

Unread postby IsThisRealLife » Sat 18 Dec 2010, 20:07:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '.')..that Kieth Oberman, Rachel Maddow and Ed Schultz did not have a partial mental breakdown at the loss of control of the house.
Uh ... they didn't.
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Re: Extended exposure to Fox News makes you stupid

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sat 18 Dec 2010, 20:17:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SpringCreekFarm', '[')BTW...what's wrong with helping your president succeed? IS it better to help him fail?


The proper role of a journalist is to report the news not to create it or influence it. Once that pro Obama position was taken any hope of objectivity was out the window and the value of his reporting reduced to very near zero.
China holds a very large chunk of USA treasury bills that may soon be worthless. kind of a bitter milkshake don't you think?
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Re: Extended exposure to Fox News makes you stupid

Unread postby IsThisRealLife » Sat 18 Dec 2010, 20:23:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'O')nce that pro Obama position was taken any hope of objectivity was out the window and the value of his reporting reduced to very near zero.
Not really. You can support an elected official, a relative, a friend, and still call it like you see it.

But I guess you're saying that, indeed, Fox News is not objective at all then.
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Re: Extended exposure to Fox News makes you stupid

Unread postby Asterisk » Sat 18 Dec 2010, 22:02:44

For anyone who says that Fox and MSNBC are simply 2 sides of a coin, can you please point to a single lie that Rachel Maddow OR Olbermann have ever told that has not been corrected?

Answer: you cannot.

Right wing radio AND tv shows HAVE to lie because they don't have facts on their side.

Left wing shows never lie and when they do, they apologize and retract.

The left and the right are not the same. One is rational and tells the truth, the other lies and consists of sociopaths and selfish misguided fools.

That is not my opinion.....that is fact.
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Re: Extended exposure to Fox News makes you stupid

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sat 18 Dec 2010, 22:06:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IsThisRealLife', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '.')..that Kieth Oberman, Rachel Maddow and Ed Schultz did not have a partial mental breakdown at the loss of control of the house.
Uh ... they didn't.

That gets right to the heart of the Fox News fan, repeating BS they know nothing about. This person probably believes that he was watching MSNBC on election night, not that he read something on Drudge.

I watched MSNBC on election night in 2010 because they had the best discussion. Most of the people on Fox are just soaking up the wingnut welfare and can't find jobs, so they can't talk their way out of paper sac. Newt? Huck? Palin? Ben Stein? Santorum? Krauthammer? Fox is like being a greeter at Wal-Mart - for some of them it's a step down and for some of them it's a step up, but they are all just happy to be working.

I actually watched Fox quite a bit on election night in 2008 because they were just speechless, just long drawn out moments of dead air time with them staring at the desk, probably with the producer yelling into their ear pieces "Say something!!!"
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