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Re: Another Revolution

Postby ian807 » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 14:00:34

So now the Republicans are the new "dog who caught the car." Lucky them.

In another two years, it's going to be very obvious that they can't deliver anything beyond a trivial tax cut, some faux spending cuts and more dadaesque rah rah about the greatness of America. What then?
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Re: Another Revolution

Postby PrestonSturges » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 14:02:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', 'I') guess we will see if the "tea party" is really any different in the next year or so. I'm especially watching Rand Paul to see if he scammed the money men, or the voters.
I think Rand is going to be a big turd sandwhich.
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Re: Another Revolution

Postby PrestonSturges » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 14:09:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', 'S')o now the Republicans are the new "dog who caught the car." Lucky them.

In another two years, it's going to be very obvious that they can't deliver anything beyond a trivial tax cut, some faux spending cuts and more dadaesque rah rah about the greatness of America. What then?
I'm already banging that drum. It's all slogans, slogans, slogans. The GOP needs a major (cataclysmic) crisis and they need it fast.
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Re: Another Revolution

Postby gollum » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 14:12:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', 'I') guess we will see if the "tea party" is really any different in the next year or so. I'm especially watching Rand Paul to see if he scammed the money men, or the voters.
I think Rand is going to be a big turd sandwhich.



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Re: Another Revolution

Postby Quinny » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 14:17:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')here is no significant Left in the US, politically. Here's where people get very confused, thinking the Dems represent the Left. They do not. They represent the slightly less right.

...and slightly less libertarian.


mmmm... I thought it was slightly more libertarian!
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Re: Another Revolution

Postby Pops » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 14:34:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')here is no significant Left in the US, politically. Here's where people get very confused, thinking the Dems represent the Left. They do not. They represent the slightly less right.

...and slightly less libertarian.


mmmm... I thought it was slightly more libertarian!

Oops, correct - my right hand didn't know what my left was saying or pointing - or vice versa.
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Re: Another Revolution

Postby mos6507 » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 15:36:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')Now with a Republican house, Obama gets to be the Republican prez he always wanted to be. Maybe we'll get another war out of this.. can someone win two peace prizes? :|


Let's face it. The entire line of thought that says "republicans are just like democrats" only makes sense when you are on the ideological fringe (anarchists, ultra-liberals, ultra-libertarians, etc...) in such a way that neither party appeals to you. So you express that alienation by generalizing "they are all alike". WITHIN the scope of R and D, as most of the country are, things couldn't be more polarized.
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Re: Another Revolution

Postby PrestonSturges » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 15:46:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')Now with a Republican house, Obama gets to be the Republican prez he always wanted to be. Maybe we'll get another war out of this.. can someone win two peace prizes? :|


Let's face it. The entire line of thought that says "republicans are just like democrats" only makes sense when you are on the ideological fringe (anarchists, ultra-liberals, ultra-libertarians, etc...).

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Re: Another Revolution

Postby PrestonSturges » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 16:20:43

During the campaign, they would not say what they were going to do, last night they would not say. Today several Republicans said they have no plan and they have no idea what they were going to do because it was not appropriate to have a strategy before the election. They plan all along was to get elected on nothing but slogans, then try to figure out strategy after the election.

Wow. They admit they have no freaking clue what they are doing.

But I guess that was a good idea, because if they had discussed their plans, the public might have found out and been frightened off. Now Boehner is sitting waiting for the phone to ring waiting for his marching orders. What's first? Sell Yellowstone to Cheney as a hunting ranch?
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Re: Another Revolution

Postby Newfie » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 16:26:13

It's not about plans and strategy, that would imply rational thought.

This is all about emotion, "I'm pissed and I'm gonna kick someone!"

The US voter is about as appreciative and congenail as a junk yard dog. It WILL bite the hand that attemts to feed it.

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Re: Another Revolution

Postby gnm » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 17:19:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'L')et's face it. The entire line of thought that says "republicans are just like democrats" only makes sense when you are on the ideological fringe (anarchists, ultra-liberals, ultra-libertarians, etc...) in such a way that neither party appeals to you. So you express that alienation by generalizing "they are all alike". WITHIN the scope of R and D, as most of the country are, things couldn't be more polarized.


Actually Mos, I would argue that they ARE alike functionally.

both fund and extend war - check
both push MASSIVE bailouts for banker criminal behavior - check
both push MASSIVE bailouts for failed businesses - check but only for large and donating buisnessess
both push authoritarian centralized statist solutions for esentially all problems - check

The last is where the only differences are - one wants to ban gay marriage, abortion, whatever... . But I see neither side wanting to respect voters (dem legislative override of anti gay marriage for instance) or personal rights (gop ramming through "patriot" act, retroactively approving torture, spying etc) btw did the dems repeal that patriot act? How about investigating the previous admins torture, illegal renditions, etc.. No? Didn't think so...

BOTH SIDES..... FAIL

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Re: Another Revolution

Postby PrestonSturges » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 17:22:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'I')t's not about plans and strategy, that would imply rational thought.
This is all about emotion, "I'm pissed and I'm gonna kick someone!"
The US voter is about as appreciative and congenail as a junk yard dog. It WILL bite the hand that attemts to feed it.
And if the chain breaks...................
Someone a couple months ago said that the Tea party is not a platform, it is a reflex, like a snakebite.
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Re: Another Revolution

Postby Ludi » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 17:28:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'I') see neither side wanting to respect voters (dem legislative override of anti gay marriage for instance) or personal rights (gop ramming through "patriot" act, retroactively approving torture, spying etc) btw did the dems repeal that patriot act?



:?: You'd think marriage would be a personal right, wouldn't you? Or, I guess, it's only a personal right if you're straight. :|

So if voters want to deny full person-hood to some subset of the population, that should be respected in the ideal political world? :|

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Re: Another Revolution

Postby Tyler_JC » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 17:44:29

While I agree that on some issues like the war in Afghanistan, the mainstream politicos of both parties have essentially the same views, I do think there are still important differences between the American "left" and "right".

Here are just a couple examples.

On the bank bailout:

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And on Obama's climate change bill, the Democrats supported it 211-44 while the GOP opposed it 168-8.

Many of the Democrats who opposed it were Blue Dog Democrats in conservative districts. Those people have virtually all lost their seats. So now we have a pro-climate bill minority party and an anti-climate bill majority.
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Re: Another Revolution

Postby Ludi » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 17:51:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
')On the bank bailout:



Weird with the Republicans so against the bank bailout that Bush still signed it into law... 8O You'd think, being a Republican he would have vetoed it.... 8O
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Re: Another Revolution

Postby Cloud9 » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 17:57:47

We are doing it again. We are chattering about whether some guy ought to be able to marry his sister or his brother or some other such idiocy while the political class is locking and loading and preparing to bend us over again.

If you guys would support state’s rights, you could move to state that supports Gay marriage and marry whomever you like. You should let the Bible belt do their thing and the gun nutters do their thing. Why is it one size has to fit all?

Our real concern is the collapse of the system. We have got to reign in the federal government. Everybody knows that the current levels of spending are unsustainable. We either let it down softly or it collapses. The only plan at this moment is to debase the currency. At some point this policy becomes suicide. We either change course or get swept away.

Tyranny within the states will take care of its self because they can’t print their own money. Their lock it up mentality and tax anything that moves will soften the moment people vote with their feet and move to another state more congenial to their particular persuasion.
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Re: Another Revolution

Postby PrestonSturges » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 18:58:11

Yep, half the Blue Dogs are gone, so is Blanche Lincoln.

The Dems who kept grandstanding for Fox news did not get one crossover vote and they alienated their base.

I'm not entirely unhappy about that.
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Re: Another Revolution

Postby mos6507 » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 19:15:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', '
')BOTH SIDES..... FAIL


As usual, no mention at all on differences towards energy and the environment. FAIL.
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Re: Another Revolution

Postby mos6507 » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 19:18:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'W')hy is it one size has to fit all?


Some things are national civil rights issues, or would you be okay with us still having slave states?
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Re: Another Revolution

Postby Mesuge » Wed 03 Nov 2010, 19:26:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'Y')ep, half the Blue Dogs are gone, so is Blanche Lincoln.
The Dems who kept grandstanding for Fox news did not get one crossover vote and they alienated their base. I'm not entirely unhappy about that.


So, the previously mentioned strategy, finally having guts to kick out the "less evil voting" propaganda is working. Good for you 8)

Blue Dogs, Pelosianismus, .., thrown out of the windows, this will serve as the basis for the last moment self-repair chance in next elections, or the final systemic implosion. In any case, happy about these results too, could be better though, by taking the senate as well. :twisted:
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