If you wish to form a political block of poor and middle class white people, it is opportune to show them that you represent success, which in our society is simply wealth, and that you understand that they are different from Blacks and Mexicans, which in our society are the groups that poor and middle class white people observe to measure themselves against. You offer them understanding, and imply the notion that if they vote for your party, you will be their champion. Once you get their vote you simply return to concentrating wealth for the super wealthy who popped for all the top dollar advertisements to work the poor and middle class white people for votes. With any luck, this is the last push for concentrating wealth before the thing collapses and you have to rack your brain to figure out how to terrify and pander to the poor and middle class white people again somehow.
The biggest notion that works for Republicans is the idea being sold that if they act like it is the 1950's again, the ridiculously cheap petroleum, the explosion of cheap housing, and the surging jobs conditions will come back with the faith based notion. It is doing financial penance to restore consumed resources, which to me is an adjunct voodoo principle similar to their old favorite of trickle down economics within the nation, which was sold while Republicans busted their humps to make sure that the wealth pumped upward, and the trickle down took place in the cheapest offshore location that it possibly could, and they also made sure their investments were down in that location to take profit there as well. America's trickle down went via a long hose to Asia.
I think this is the last wealth concentration putsch possible for the Republicans before systemic collapse, I believe that once they are in, the race for any pools of concentrated capital that they have missed before will look akin to a blowfly picnic on a dead water buffalo.
There are going to be a lot of disenfranchised poor and middle class white people out there, and the only silver lining I see is that black people and Mexicans are comfortable being around them while they all rise each morning to pick at the bones of a nation bled to death as part of a faith based ritual.
They are still going to need a massive military globally to insure their investments continue to function since they have dismantled much of the internal economic engine. I will be curious as to how they fashion some incentive for all the poor black, Mexican, and white people they need to fight for them when it ceases to be a way out of poverty on an individual basis after service.
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New Gallup poll predicts biggest GOP majority since 1946
Re: New Gallup poll predicts biggest GOP majority since 1946
by efarmer » Wed 06 Oct 2010, 11:07:23
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Re: New Gallup poll predicts biggest GOP majority since 1946
by Oakley » Wed 06 Oct 2010, 11:41:50
I don't think it really matters which of these Parties controls the federal government, simply because they all are controlled by special interests.
What we have is fascism, the amalgamation of the interest of government and big corporations, and that is not going to change as long as there is a federal government.
The obvious solution is to dissolve the federal government. When people realize this is the answer we may have some slight hope of independently getting through the murky future without having what little wealth we manage to produce and accumulate plundered through the power of government and the laws it produces to favor itself and its pals.
Does this sound familiar? $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')i]When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another ....
What we have is fascism, the amalgamation of the interest of government and big corporations, and that is not going to change as long as there is a federal government.
The obvious solution is to dissolve the federal government. When people realize this is the answer we may have some slight hope of independently getting through the murky future without having what little wealth we manage to produce and accumulate plundered through the power of government and the laws it produces to favor itself and its pals.
Does this sound familiar? $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')i]When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another ....
Battered women stay with their abusive husbands under the delusion that those brutes will change. It is equally delusional to think that repeatedly going to the voting booths is going to change the current system of slavery for the majority. It defies experience and ignores the sociopathic nature of government, politicians, bureaucrats, and those who pull their strings.
I find it both comical and offensive for people to claim that their brand of plunder and control is better for us that the brand of plunder and control of the other Party. Democrats and Republicans are equally evil as are their supporters; none are on the high road, despite their protestations to the contrary.
"The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence" Thomas H Huxley
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Re: New Gallup poll predicts biggest GOP majority since 1946
by Daniel_Plainview » Wed 06 Oct 2010, 11:58:37
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oakley', 'T')he obvious solution is to dissolve the federal government.
I would be happy with a federal govt that's strictly limited to only a small handful of specifically enumerated functions as set forth in Art. 1, Section 8 of the constitution. The remainder would be reserved for the states.
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Re: New Gallup poll predicts biggest GOP majority since 1946
by efarmer » Wed 06 Oct 2010, 12:07:44
I agree that the Democrats are morally bankrupt as well and pretend that they can give away money they don't have to engineer equality.
When you run a nation of the premise of resource exploits without a formal plan it collapses with the first significant gating resource limit that is encountered. Our currency is presently backed with petroleum access and exploitation.
America does not have a plan or a strategy to avoid collapse from Peak Oil.
The leverage of a mighty military for procuring petroleum by force would require millions of continuous boots on the ground to insure reliable delivery, that is obviously not in the cards either.
All of the thinking and ideas that come forth about restoring strong states and dissolving bloated federal government to date have glossed over how you might methodically work in the midst of a bloated exploit oriented nation reeling in chaotic systemic decline. They all assume that the relatively quiet periods of resource enabled bootstrapping are presently possible if the will manifests to pursue this (in my thinking) ideal scenario.
We to date are unable to see or admit where we actually are, much less figure out where we need to go with enough consensus to begin the journey. One thing that is clear to me, is that acting like it is the good old days in a shared and feel good illusion is not going to lead to the good old days.
This is the real magic that Ronald Reagan worked, to restore confidence and activity and to give America the ability to feel good enough to take the next steps in restoring it's integrity. Ronald Reagan had to incur massive debt under his stimulus program in the 1980's.
Unfortunately, the shot he bought America at doing the right thing became a lesson in how to use deficit stimulus to placate a nation into borrowing it's future to feel good in decline.
We are out of feel good medicine and have not planned or accomplished major progress.
I often think one reason Republicans hate Obama so much is that he is using Reagan's deficit stimulus methods to attempt to push the American system as he did, and they revere Reagan and smart about it greatly. But Reagan and Obama are both patriots, and they both have bought limited amounts of time for a nation with no real national plan nor the national will to apply one.
We are observing kick the can penis envy in a tragic comedy at this point.
When you run a nation of the premise of resource exploits without a formal plan it collapses with the first significant gating resource limit that is encountered. Our currency is presently backed with petroleum access and exploitation.
America does not have a plan or a strategy to avoid collapse from Peak Oil.
The leverage of a mighty military for procuring petroleum by force would require millions of continuous boots on the ground to insure reliable delivery, that is obviously not in the cards either.
All of the thinking and ideas that come forth about restoring strong states and dissolving bloated federal government to date have glossed over how you might methodically work in the midst of a bloated exploit oriented nation reeling in chaotic systemic decline. They all assume that the relatively quiet periods of resource enabled bootstrapping are presently possible if the will manifests to pursue this (in my thinking) ideal scenario.
We to date are unable to see or admit where we actually are, much less figure out where we need to go with enough consensus to begin the journey. One thing that is clear to me, is that acting like it is the good old days in a shared and feel good illusion is not going to lead to the good old days.
This is the real magic that Ronald Reagan worked, to restore confidence and activity and to give America the ability to feel good enough to take the next steps in restoring it's integrity. Ronald Reagan had to incur massive debt under his stimulus program in the 1980's.
Unfortunately, the shot he bought America at doing the right thing became a lesson in how to use deficit stimulus to placate a nation into borrowing it's future to feel good in decline.
We are out of feel good medicine and have not planned or accomplished major progress.
I often think one reason Republicans hate Obama so much is that he is using Reagan's deficit stimulus methods to attempt to push the American system as he did, and they revere Reagan and smart about it greatly. But Reagan and Obama are both patriots, and they both have bought limited amounts of time for a nation with no real national plan nor the national will to apply one.
We are observing kick the can penis envy in a tragic comedy at this point.
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Re: New Gallup poll predicts biggest GOP majority since 1946
by Ludi » Wed 06 Oct 2010, 12:14:39
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oakley', 'T')he obvious solution is to dissolve the federal government.
Yeah, that'll solve everything.
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Re: New Gallup poll predicts biggest GOP majority since 1946
by ian807 » Wed 06 Oct 2010, 14:03:41
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', 'R')onald Reagan had to incur massive debt under his stimulus program in the 1980's.
Which sums up the prosperity of the 80s, more or less. It was all funded by debt spending through a military build-up. As for oil, the administration's decision was to let the market decide that we would become completely dependent on foreign oil imports, instead of a country like, say, Brazil, where they told the market to go hang and found a viable oil-substitute in sugar cane alcohol.
But back to a GOP majority. So they win. Then what?
They've got no austerity plan that any congressman can stomach. They've got no magical supply of money unless they print it - which is more or less what the democrats would do. They have no oil. And what they mostly have is no independence. Like the Democrats, the GOP is made of tools and fools who answer to the Koch brothers and their ilk. They will just continue the 3rd-worlding of America - a situation that suits the world's wealthy just fine, assuming they even notice.
As far as I'm concerned. Let the GOP win. The country can then get a nice little reminder about why they were kicked out in the first place and the GOP congress, those lucky souls, can take the heat for a while. With no solutions from either the Democrats or Republicans, perhaps we can start looking at a multi-party system that controls the power of the wealthy.
Because until that happens, nothing else does.
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