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Book: 'Impending World Energy Mess' by Robt Hirsch, et al

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Re: The Impending World Energy Mess: : What It Is and . .

Unread postby hillsidedigger » Wed 22 Sep 2010, 07:50:03

Avery large volume of electricity could relatively easily be produced with geo-thermal tapping.

Almost anywhere a hole drilled down into the ground only a mile or 3 deep will reach temperatures well above the boiling point of water. Such could be harnessed on a large scale so alleviating the need to ever burn any more coal, oil or natural gas.
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Re: The Impending World Energy Mess: : What It Is and . .

Unread postby Pops » Wed 22 Sep 2010, 08:21:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hillsidedigger', 'S')uch could be harnessed on a large scale so alleviating the need to ever burn any more coal, oil or natural gas.

Why isn't this free energy being used now?
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Re: The Impending World Energy Mess: : What It Is and . .

Unread postby dolanbaker » Wed 22 Sep 2010, 08:36:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hillsidedigger', 'S')uch could be harnessed on a large scale so alleviating the need to ever burn any more coal, oil or natural gas.

Why isn't this free energy being used now?

Rhetorical question I assume, anyway unless you live in Iceland or somewhere else where the Earth's crust is thin, it's damn expensive to set up and run a system.
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Re: The Impending World Energy Mess: : What It Is and . .

Unread postby hillsidedigger » Wed 22 Sep 2010, 08:40:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hillsidedigger', 'S')uch could be harnessed on a large scale so alleviating the need to ever burn any more coal, oil or natural gas.

Why isn't this free energy being used now?


It's not quite free for steel and concrete would be needed to encase the drilled fairly wide diameter shaft to prevent fracturing. A small pipe can take water down the shaft with the steam simply coming back up the shaft. Note that the water being pumped downed the shaft would be heated by the steam rising up.

The shaft can be vertical with no need for fancy slanted, curved or horizontal drilling.

Simple turbines of a very large size could be at the surface. The water can be recirculated so the needed water is little.
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Re: The Impending World Energy Mess: : What It Is and . .

Unread postby hillsidedigger » Wed 22 Sep 2010, 08:41:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hillsidedigger', 'S')uch could be harnessed on a large scale so alleviating the need to ever burn any more coal, oil or natural gas.

Why isn't this free energy being used now?

Rhetorical question I assume, anyway unless you live in Iceland or somewhere else where the Earth's crust is thin, it's damn expensive to set up and run a system.


Nuclear power plants are extremely expensive. Drilling 5 miles down under the sea for a little oil is very expensive.

They reported the oil gushing out of the Deepwater Horizon blowout was 400 degrees hot.

I don't think geothermal development is limited to areas with a thin Earth crust, just go deep. It can be done and in thicker, more stable geologies the shaft would endure longer.
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Re: The Impending World Energy Mess: : What It Is and . .

Unread postby dolanbaker » Wed 22 Sep 2010, 09:06:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'F')rankly, what can we do? The economy is dependent on waste and built in obsolescence. Entire industries are critically dependent on the continuous sale of short life wasteful trivia.


Build things that last "forever" and can be maintained and serviceable for it's entire life, create more maintenance type jobs and reduce working hours but raise minimum wages.

Tax the arse off of "single use items" where reusable items are equally practible.
Tax all packaging that is superflourious to the essential task of protecting the goods, the packaging of some cheap toys costs almost as much as the toy!
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Re: The Impending World Energy Mess: : What It Is and . .

Unread postby dolanbaker » Wed 22 Sep 2010, 09:10:17

Another problem with geo is that they can trigger earthquakes.

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2 ... arthquakes
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')n December 8, 2006, Markus Häring caused some 30 earthquakes -- the largest registering 3.4 on the Richter scale -- in Basel, Switzerland. Häring is not a supervillain. He's a geologist, and he had nothing but good intentions when he injected high-pressure water into rocks three miles below the surface, attempting to generate electricity through a process called enhanced geothermal. But he produced earthquakes instead, and when seismic analysis confirmed that the quakes were centered near the drilling site, city officials charged him with $9 million worth of damage to buildings.
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Re: The Impending World Energy Mess: : What It Is and . .

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Wed 30 Mar 2011, 22:06:31

Robert L. Hirsch's latest summation can be found @ Energy Bulletin: Commentary: Restrictions on world oil production

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')eology is the ultimate restriction. Oil is a finite resource. We will never produce more oil than nature provided over millions of years. All that's there is called the oil resource, but we can only produce what is called the "reserves," which is a fraction of the resource. Why? Because the geology associated with each oil deposit sets a practical limit on ultimate production. In a few cases, reserves can total up to half of a local resource. In others, reserves can amount to no more than a few percent of the resource. Typically, reserves are around 30% of the resource. If you think we should be able to do better than 30% on average, take some time to look at some oil reservoirs rock cores.

The complexity is often mind boggling. What's this all boil down to? Based on geology, many analysts have forecast the onset of the decline of world oil production in the next 2-5 years. Legitimate national interests, mismanagement, and political upheaval can only hasten that onset. To explain these and other energy issues we wrote the book entitled "The Impending World Energy Mess." Oil production is a very complicated activity. What happens in oil will impact all of us, so it's worth some study.
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