[WurmD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '[')*]The current social order should be replaced with a military dictatorship, which will change culture and remove deviant and socially offensive behavior.[4]

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')Honest to god, this is the first I've heard of it.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')Honest to god, this is the first I've heard of it.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WurmD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '[')*]The current social order should be replaced with a military dictatorship, which will change culture and remove deviant and socially offensive behavior.[4]

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WurmD', '
')For the shitty work, I can't really find anything referring to how to make people keep doing the shitty works that 'need' be done.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')Honest to god, this is the first I've heard of it.

[americandream]

You did notice that he did not capitalise "god"?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')Honest to god, this is the first I've heard of it.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 't')hen you being dishonest here

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'Y')ou did notice that he did not capitalise "god"?

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')[list][*]The main concept advocated by the Zeitgeist Movement is that all the worlds resources, from needs such as food and shelter to desires such as vacations and cars should be the common heritage of all the worlds people.

[Joseph Matthew]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'I')n other words, Welfare Nation from Detroit and Harlem is entitled to Russian Oil, Canadian Platinum, South African Gold, Brazilian coffee with sugar, Argentinian Beef, Mexican Silver, German Cars, English Porridge and so on and so forth. Sounds like a (huge) bulshit too me.

Also, the propertry thing is an interesting concept: what if you dont want share your toothbrush or sleeping bag (I'm sure the sleeping bag will be the high-end house with an economy like that) with anyone else?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Joseph Matthew', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')ho "makes" you clean your toilets, wash your dishes, etc?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Joseph Matthew', ' ')If you're waiting for someone to hand a fully packaged solution to you, then keep on waiting.

[yeahbut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Joseph Matthew', ' ')If you're waiting for someone to hand a fully packaged solution to you, then keep on waiting.

[americandream]

It's funny how the thought of communism arouses fear in some. No no, we wont have money, we wont have bad folks, we will raise the kids to love all and most of all we wont be communists.

This is all pie in the sky. There wont be any change without struggle. No rich fat cat Rolls Royce driving tycoon is going to roll over and hand you the keys to this castle. You will have to take it or forever be consigned to polishing his boots.

[Joseph Matthew]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'I')t's funny how the thought of communism arouses fear in some. No no, we wont have money, we wont have bad folks, we will raise the kids to love all and most of all we wont be communists.

This is all pie in the sky. There wont be any change without struggle. No rich fat cat Rolls Royce driving tycoon is going to roll over and hand you the keys to this castle. You will have to take it or forever be consigned to polishing his boots.

[americandream]

When all the hope and band aid is finally installed and in place, what will determine resource allocation in your utopia bearing in mind that Marx was merely a scientific analyst of human nature in the material order we call society and the best mode of resource allocation for the largest class.

His was quite a simple analysis premised as it was on the rather simple formula: man = material conditions. The rest were merely prescriptions to achieving the formula. Capital cannot co-exist within that formula nor can labour within its reverse. These are objective facts neither one of us can escape given the compelling nature of the material.

In other words, subject a man to the rhetoric of personal gain and he wil so act, irrespective of whether it is couched in the language of ethics, Christ, Allah, Buddha or the other obscurantist ideas that proliferate, reformism being a fact of all systems subject to more compelling imperatives.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Joseph Matthew', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'I')t's funny how the thought of communism arouses fear in some. No no, we wont have money, we wont have bad folks, we will raise the kids to love all and most of all we wont be communists.

This is all pie in the sky. There wont be any change without struggle. No rich fat cat Rolls Royce driving tycoon is going to roll over and hand you the keys to this castle. You will have to take it or forever be consigned to polishing his boots.

[WurmD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'W')hen all the hope and band aid is finally installed and in place, what will determine resource allocation

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WurmD', 'I')f society agrees