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The Book of Eli

Unread postby Narz » Wed 07 Jul 2010, 19:30:39

Perhaps the worst movie I've seen in the last couple of years. Stylized & pretentious, bland one-sided characters (good guys & bad with no in between) and utterly unrealistic fight sequences (I stopped watching at the gun fight where our hero killed dozens of men without being killed, including men on rooftops) & a stupid plot :

Warning : spoiler below (though you can already probably guess from the movie title)

The man's aim was to protect a Bible (and his name is Eli :roll: ) & I suppose this is why he was so unstoppable, God was on his side

So many of the worst aspects of movies rolled into one, fails as action, fails as drama, fails at suspense. It kind of reminded me of really crappy 80's & 90's movies with similar unrealistic everything & the one-dimensional characters but the pretentiousness made it much, much worse. At least Arnold Scwartzy's Commando you can laugh at.

If you want to see an excellent apocalyptic movie with superb acting & without all this superhero crap watch The Road, which conversely was one of the best movies I've seen in the last few years (even my GF, expecting to hate it, liked it intensely).
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Re: The Book of Eli

Unread postby Lore » Wed 07 Jul 2010, 19:51:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'P')erhaps the worst movie I've seen in the last couple of years.


"Whatchu talkin' 'bout, Willis?" It had a beautiful portrayal by Tom Waits, a truly sensitive and talented actor that added a whole new level of depth to the plot, and that Flash Dance girl, who has held up pretty well I must say. Also, you missed the end scene with Malcolm McDowell, Mr. Clockwork Orange, as Lombardi, the curator, what an actor. Although his hair line is a bit odd these days. To top it all off, there was a great scene in which that ultimate Disco song of the 70s "Ring My Bell" was played. Damn, I just can't get that tune out of my head now.
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Re: The Book of Eli

Unread postby Quinny » Thu 08 Jul 2010, 03:17:22

Narz,

You are correct, totally unrealistic fight scenes (especially considering the 'twist' at the end! (won't spoil too much)) -but....... WTF do you expect?

I loved it. :)
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Re: The Book of Eli

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 08 Jul 2010, 06:44:37

I loved this movie, best one of all last year IMO. I think it will break down pretty simply, those who believe in the God of the Bible will love it, or at least find it entertaining, those who have a problem with faith and its effects will hate it.

Far from the first Hollywood movie where a religious figure is bullet proof, ever see the Bulletproof Monk? The difference is this time the religion is Christianity and the movie was not made with a slightly comedic slant to it's theme. The fight scenes were equally based on physics and practicality in both movies.

Oh and if you don't think the world will polarize into good guys and bad guys after a nuclear war crashes civilization you really need to study some history. When it comes to survival people tend to be very brutal to one another.
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Re: The Book of Eli

Unread postby ohanian » Thu 08 Jul 2010, 08:17:49

Putting religion aside

There are massive problems with the movie.

1. The bible is an extremely rare artifact

Huh? Only Christians would believe this. The bible is one of the most common literature on earth. There are a bazillion copies of the bible in hundreds of languages. And the movie wants you to believe that the bible is SO RARE that people are willing to kill each other to gain a copy. Hello? Even after a nuclear holocaust there would still be half a bazillion copies of the bible lying around.

2. He who controls the bible, can prevent religion from coming back to the world.

Huh? What idiot would believe such thing. Religion will always form even without the existence of the bible. Religiosity is part of humanity. Yes, if you control all the bibles in the world, you can prevent Christianity from coming back but religion? Of course if you are a Christian and you believe that Christianity is the only religion worth believing in then it would be a big deal.

3. Most people cannot read.

Dude, if most people cannot read then why would you want to collect the bible? They can't read. It's useless.

4. It's a weapon

Only if you believe in it. Since most people (in the movie) have not seen a bible. Why would they believe in it? That's right! They believe in it because the head bad guy wants it so badly. Talk about self fulfilling prophesy.
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Re: The Book of Eli

Unread postby joelchicago » Thu 08 Jul 2010, 08:56:33

Actually, AS a Christian, I find your post amusing. I agree with everything except your #1.

#1. Only Christians would NOT believe this. Of course there billions of Bibles. And yes, I agree, it would be seemingly impossible to destroy them all. There'd always be one in the dirt somewhere, somehow - even if just in decayed pieces in an old dump someplace. Since people like me buy them and/or give them away freely to anyone who asks (and there are millions like me), there has been plenty of demand to keep the presses going. If you believe in God, you believe the Bible will be here all til the very end, so we'd be the last to think it would ever be "1-book rare".
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Re: The Book of Eli

Unread postby Narz » Thu 08 Jul 2010, 10:48:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'T')he fight scenes were equally based on physics and practicality in both movies.

It's practical that one (old) guy can defeat dozens of stronger young men (armed with guns & stationed all over the place)?

With the twist at the end it makes even less sense.

And yes, I do hate stupid faith based stuff. Like Angels in The Outfield where God helped the crappy Angels team win. This is an adult action equivalent to that.

Maybe it got more interesting at the end but after the gun fight scene I couldn't take anymore so I shut it off.
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Re: The Book of Eli

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 08 Jul 2010, 12:50:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I')s the movie really missionary? Is the director jamming Christianity down our throats or is the bible and religion just plot devices? Aside from the missing bibles and the supa' killa' hero, is it a good End-of-Times movie? Anything like "Road Warrior" or "The Road?"

Does the movie create a reasonable time and place? Does one care for the hero? Are the challenges he confronts interesting? Does he grow or change with story? Is it a redemption movie? Does it have a point? Or is it meaningless proselytizing?


No it is not a missionary movie.
The Bible, and faith in the leading of the spirit is the main plot device, so long as Eli follows the prompting of the voice of the Spirit he is able to find the food/water/shelter he needs each day in his quest.
I liked it as an end of times movie, it is a lot closer to Road Warrior than The Road.

The movie takes place almost entirely in the California dessert 30 years after the end of irrigation. A few people are wandering the roads looking for a better place to live but the majority are holed up in one town that has a secret supply of water sustaining it.

I liked the Hero ;) Of course it is Denzel Washington so liking him isn't hard.

Each confrontation he approaches peacefully, but if trouble starts he deals with it quickly, with brutal efficiency.

He does grow and change as the story moves forward, we learn a little about his origins and mission as the character develops.

It is a redemption movie is some ways, it doesn't proselytize at all, just a couple of prayers spoken at meals and a quoting of the 23rd Psalm. I would say the point of the movie is, if God is telling you something then you should be listening and obeying.

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Re: The Book of Eli

Unread postby Lore » Thu 08 Jul 2010, 13:22:22

The moive, The Book of Eli, was a metaphor folks. A piece of pure fiction. No more then hobbits and elves are real, the movie doesn't need to portray actual or probable events and people to make statements about troublesome ethical questions. No more than The Road had to base itself in reality to tell its story about morality in a struggle with the primal laws of survival, which by the way, the movie did little justice to as in Mr. McCarthy’s book.
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Re: The Book of Eli

Unread postby Narz » Thu 08 Jul 2010, 18:01:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'D')oes the movie create a reasonable time and place? Does one care for the hero? Are the challenges he confronts interesting? Does he grow or change with story? Is it a redemption movie? Does it have a point? Or is it meaningless proselytizing?

The setting was most focused on stylism than believability. An example are the first characters the hero meets. A gang of men, supposedly starving in a world with extremely scarce resources/fuel. And yet one of them is a fat men weilding a chainsaw.

Hero wasn't (IMO) particularly likable, he had the personality of a lump of coal. The challenges he faced in the first half of the movie were predictable & he defeated them effortlessly (since he was playing life in cheat-mode thanks to Yahweh). I don't know whether he changed by the end (since I turned it off halfway thru). I can't see how he would though, he was already the epidome of "cool" (one-dimensional, Hollywood masculine cool) in the beginning.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T')he moive, The Book of Eli, was a metaphor folks. A piece of pure fiction. No more then hobbits and elves are real, the movie doesn't need to portray actual or probable events and people to make statements about troublesome ethical questions.

A movie should make some sense. And the moral seemed to be, if you're God's chosen one on a quest nothing bad can ever happen to you & you can achieve totally impossible things. Which is a poor & useless moral since it doesn't apply in real life.
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Re: The Book of Eli

Unread postby Lore » Thu 08 Jul 2010, 19:51:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '
')A movie should make some sense. And the moral seemed to be, if you're God's chosen one on a quest nothing bad can ever happen to you & you can achieve totally impossible things. Which is a poor & useless moral since it doesn't apply in real life.


If you would have watched the rest of the movie, you would have discovered that the lead character realized he was just as conflicted and vicious in dealing out his sense of justice and purpose in defense of the book as the villain was in getting it. In the end was Eli some spiritually chosen one, or just another born again zealot with strong Kung Fu?

As far as in any fantasy movie goes, most exploit the impossible, like Wiley Coyote. This kind of story telling is as ancient as classic Greek Mythology.
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Re: The Book of Eli

Unread postby thaiexpat » Wed 14 Jul 2010, 05:20:03

The bible thumping part of Eli was a bit of a turn off, but if you like samurai movies, you will like the Book of Eli. Eli was the ultimate survivor samurai and I thought the correographing of the fight scenes was on par with Arika Kurosawa's best.
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Re: The Book of Eli

Unread postby Narz » Sat 17 Jul 2010, 13:25:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I') liked the movie a lot. It is about faith and also the civilizing effect of the Bible

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '-')-Eli reads, respects women, and has a personal code (he only kicks ass when pushed, will not eat human flesh, etc.)

He respects women? But he left that one to die in the wilderness & let the other one be raped cause it was none of his business.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')he movie promotes a magical/supernatural/holy Bible and Holy Warrior. During the first big shootout in town Eli is shot in the back of the head. You can see the bullet hit and make a puff or mark on his upper jacket or neck. He is unscathed.

Which makes it totally stupid & also makes Eli even more of a scumbag for not protecting that woman who's man was killed & was certainly going to be raped/eaten. If nothing can harm you you can a moral obligation to help all those in need.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thaiexpat', 'T')he bible thumping part of Eli was a bit of a turn off, but if you like samurai movies, you will like the Book of Eli. Eli was the ultimate survivor samurai and I thought the correographing of the fight scenes was on par with Arika Kurosawa's best.

Seven Samurai was one of my favorites of all time & I thought the fight scenes (in Eli) were awful.
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