[catbox]

I have never read that initial post you made to start the thread....glad I had a chance to read it this evening. Needless to say, you nail it and also make it clear enough for the average person to get.

Thanks for your posts!

catbox

[FreddyH]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('catbox', 'I') have never read that initial post you made to start the thread....glad I had a chance to read it this evening. Needless to say, you nail it and also make it clear enough for the average person to get.

[firestarter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreddyH', 'A')s MQ stated, the consequences of higher crude prices will be felt by the lower class of society first. Their lack of wealth of income makes them vulnerable to food/energy inflation. At no point in the future will the middle class (wealthiest 10%) and upper class (top 1%) significantly notice Peak Oil.

[FreddyH]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('firestarter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreddyH', '
')As MQ stated, the consequences of higher crude prices will be felt by the lower class of society first. Their lack of wealth of income makes them vulnerable to food/energy inflation. At no point in the future will the middle class (wealthiest 10%) and upper class (top 1%) significantly notice Peak Oil.

[KillTheHumans]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreddyH', 'W')RT to MQ's musings on terminal decline of 5% per year, it was a ridiculous statement in 2004; as evidenced by the geologist based forecasts of the time (eg ASPO 1.5%). And even moreso today.

[BabsJohnson]

As a believer in post oil, I agree with most of your comments. However, we need to consider what the Europeans already do. 1) Make your hot water heater only operate when you need it. Yes, I know that means turning it on and off, but the saving are worth it. 2) Plan your outings, so that you make all the stops in one event. 3) Raise your thermostat. Suffer just a little for big savings. It is not necessary to have meat locker temps to be comfortable.

[Peleg]

What I still cannot get is the depth of denial that people have about peak oil. My wife went to a baby shower the other day. These are Christians, people we love, people we pray for. The tome on gas prices was, 'Boy they sure are high.'

It breaks my heart to the point of tears and anger every day that I see this nation with it's foot on the gas pedal. No matter how many times you tell them, 'bridge out ahead!' they just sort of look at you with this dazed look.

By the time they see the implications it is far too late. Whether we talk plateau or gorge we needed 20 years in advance of peak to make the transition and there is no way we have gotten that.

Why is the truth so hard for people to handle?

BTW I would not gloat over the plateau. Every effort is being made to maintain it, once that last ditch is gone the declines will reflect the loan that was taken out to try to hide the truth.

5% per year. Production will be down at least 5% by next year August. Whether that is due only to supply depletion, or a combination of closing the taps to keep prices high in the face of demand destruction makes little difference.

[Troyboy1208]

Freddy H and OF2 need to get a room together...They sound like Baghdad Bob

[Peleg]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreddyH', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('catbox', 'I') have never read that initial post you made to start the thread....glad I had a chance to read it this evening. Needless to say, you nail it and also make it clear enough for the average person to get.

[firestarter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreddyH', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('firestarter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreddyH', 'A')s MQ stated, the consequences of higher crude prices will be felt by the lower class of society first. Their lack of wealth of income makes them vulnerable to food/energy inflation. At no point in the future will the middle class (wealthiest 10%) and upper class (top 1%) significantly notice Peak Oil.

[KillTheHumans]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Peleg', 'W')hat I still cannot get is the depth of denial that people have about peak oil.

[TonyPrep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KillTheHumans', '2')0 years is fantasy perpetuated by fear mongers. We could carve millions a barrels a day out of US consumption by nothing more than behavorial changes, when something is that easy to solve, its pathetic that there are people running around claiming it would take 20 years.

[FreddyH]

The eventual decline of crude will not have a direct correlation to consumption in the USA. The cost of a gallon of gas is equivalent to about fifteen minutes of labour for Americans. As the price rises, it is incredibly easy for western societies to out bid other demand entities.

The collapse of western economies and lifestyles as promoted by the McDoomers is premised on a equal reduction in market share of remaining production. That probability is absurdly low. Since Iraq2, crude has increased six fold. In the five years since 2003, Avg American habits have changed zilch.

The McDoomers were wrong in 2003. Many that post here are embarrassed by their past postings in other forums. Their present scenarios for 2013 are doomed to a similar fate.

It is 'cuz they have no background in futurism. Most are infected by instant gratification syndrome which advances the likely target dates of their events to ludicrous short time lines. Many of these event may actually come to pass, but not for many decades...

[firestarter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreddyH', 'T')he eventual decline of crude will not have a direct correlation to consumption in the USA. The cost of a gallon of gas is equivalent to about fifteen minutes of labour for Americans. As the price rises, it is incredibly easy for western societies to out bid other demand entities.
The collapse of western economies and lifestyles as promoted by the McDoomers is premised on a equal reduction in market share of remaining production. That probability is absurdly low. Since Iraq2, crude has increased six fold. In the five years since 2003, Avg American habits have changed zilch.
The McDoomers were wrong in 2003. Many that post here are embarrassed by their past postings in other forums. Their present scenarios for 2013 are doomed to a similar fate.
It is 'cuz they have no background in futurism. Most are infected by instant gratification syndrome which advances the likely target dates of their events to ludicrous short time lines. Many of these event may actually come to pass, but not for many decades...

[KillTheHumans]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KillTheHumans', '2')0 years is fantasy perpetuated by fear mongers. We could carve millions a barrels a day out of US consumption by nothing more than behavorial changes, when something is that easy to solve, its pathetic that there are people running around claiming it would take 20 years.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreddyH', ' ')While it makes great fodder for the McDoomers, MQ's 2004 analysis was far more dire than we know now about the eventual unfolding.

[KillTheHumans]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreddyH', 'T')he collapse of western economies and lifestyles as promoted by the McDoomers is...

[KillTheHumans]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')RT to MQ's musings on terminal decline of 5% per year, it was a ridiculous statement in 2004; as evidenced by the geologist based forecasts of the time (eg ASPO 1.5%).

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KillTheHumans', ' ') I could point to the fact that the planet is obviously "sustaining" all of us right now ( within reason of course ) but I recognize that in this place, such inconvenient realities aren't allowed to interfere with the speculation at hand.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KillTheHumans', ' ')Jeez Monte, you go away for a day or three and just forget EVERYTHING or what?