[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'A')nyone who got a good union job thirty years ago and built a life from it can see its benefits too.

[sittinguy]

My brother has a girlfreid with 2 duaghters. One just graduated high school and I had to go to her graduation party. The older one is in college for bissiness admin. These 2 girls are so spoiled it makes me want to puke. The older girl got a scolorship to a school in Hawaii. Her mother sent her there. got her all set up, even bough her a car there. and she got home sick afer a few months and dropped out. I overheard her at the party saying how since the economy is so bad, that she is thinking of staying in school and going for her masters. Reality is going to slap these girls up side the head one day. Alot of kids are going to be living at home till they are 30,,, they just don't know it yet. My wife and I were at the party talking about them, and they both have nicer clothes, shoes, and cars than I EVER have had in my life.. Thanks to Mommy.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'W')hat does union have to do with college degree?

[evilgenius]

It is hard to tell if some of the comments here suffer from an anti-intellectual bias or if they come from a position of economic vantage. Since when has improving yourself ever been a bad thing? The economic argument says when it costs more than the gains. The anti-intellectual argument says, always.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'I')t is hard to tell if some of the comments here suffer from an anti-intellectual bias or if they come from a position of economic vantage. Since when has improving yourself ever been a bad thing? The economic argument says when it costs more than the gains. The anti-intellectual argument says, always.

[odegaard]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'I')t is hard to tell if some of the comments here suffer from an anti-intellectual bias or if they come from a position of economic vantage.

[3aidlillahi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ince when has getting yourself massively into debt up to your eyeballs with little hope of paying it off count as "improving yourself"?

[jdmartin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'A')nyone who got a good union job thirty years ago and built a life from it can see its benefits too.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', 'I')'d have to see this article and also understand the parameters it was taking in, including era. If you're talking people who were of college age from say the 1930's to maybe the 1970's, well it wouldn't make sense that it would be any other way, since the vast majority of people didn't have college degrees. In 1950 less than 5% of the population over 25 had a bachelor's degree - today it's somewhere around 30%. That would make a big difference in the stats.

Because otherwise I'd have to call BS on it for today. Someone graduating high school today and going straight to work would be hard-pressed to be making $35,000 four years later, while that's a bottom end of what most (employed) college graduates make out of school, with higher salary multipliers. Not to mention that most decent paying jobs in the US today can't even be got without a degree. Hell, in a lot of places you can't even be promoted in the police department without a degree in criminal justice or similar.

I agree though that college is no guarantee whatsoever of generation of wealth. You can be brain-dead for four years, not learn anything, come out with a degree and still be unemployable. You can also go to a decent trade school for two years and be highly employable as a plumber, for example. Nevertheless, person for person, the college graduate is going to make far more money in a lifetime, especially since we've outsourced the best paying jobs for non-higher educated workers, production.

[3aidlillahi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd I'm pretty sure that it was post 2000.

[odegaard]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '.')..
It's been a few years since I came across the statistic jd, and I honestly can't recall whether it was from an article or a book (I read a lot), but I remember it surprised me. And I'm pretty sure that it was post 2000.

[3aidlillahi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ho will make more money throughout their life?

[odegaard]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he funny thing is I don't see too many statistics out there comparing college graduates with people who went to trade schools. funny huh.

[3aidlillahi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')s that what the prostitute told you last night?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', '[') I'm sure you can cherry-pick and say that they make more than those with a degree in art history, which so few have, but overall, getting a BS/BA earns a lot more money and benefits.

[MarkJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')lumbers make about a median of $20/hour (BLS). Assuming 40 hour work weeks and working for 40 years, that's about $1.6 million over a lifetime. Still far less than the $2.1 million for an average BA/BS degree holder. I'm sure you can cherry-pick and say that they make more than those with a degree in art history, which so few have, but overall, getting a BS/BA earns a lot more money and benefits.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '
')The fact that many tradesmen can build, maintain or repair their own homes, equipment, vehicles etc is a bonus as well.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')lumbers make about a median of $20/hour (BLS). Assuming 40 hour work weeks and working for 40 years, that's about $1.6 million over a lifetime. Still far less than the $2.1 million for an average BA/BS degree holder. I'm sure you can cherry-pick and say that they make more than those with a degree in art history, which so few have, but overall, getting a BS/BA earns a lot more money and benefits.

[MarkJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', '
')The fact that many tradesmen can build, maintain or repair their own homes, equipment, vehicles etc is a bonus as well.

[odegaard]

I'm just saying there are a lot of college degrees that simply do NOT pay.
Furthermore there are many trade skills that will pay more than certain college degrees.
Why is this such a controversial statement?
Did I step on somebody's ideology here?

Why do blind ideologists like 3aidlillahi have to get Ape Shit crazy and throw shit at me?
Why jump on the messenger and straw man other people's arguments?
answer --> because this is the internet