[MfromAmsterdam]

SoothSayer,

in all fairness I did take precautions. there are places where I can go to. I have good gear and 1 month to eat at home.

but lately I've become much more nuanced. some places are already bad (Zimbabwe etc.) and will depopulate.

on the other hand, other areas will thrive. maybe even Holland. PO is recognized by the Dutch elite. there is a taskforce, headed by the head of Shell Holland, that is setting up a Delta-plan for a transition away from fossil fueles.

the plan is named after the project that secured us from the seas.

they identified 80 projects/trajects which we could follow for different aspects of the entire problem with PO. 25 will be chosen and carried out.

at least here it is out and in the open. in the 8 o clock news, extra items afterwards, in the quality newspapers etc. and it is made clear to the populace that changes will and MUST come because the stuff is running out.

really lots of projects going on. but are they on time? that's the question.

anyhow: plan for the worst, hope for the best, accept the outcome.

best to all,

michel

[sameu]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MfromAmsterdam', 'S')oothSayer,

in all fairness I did take precautions. there are places where I can go to. I have good gear and 1 month to eat at home.

but lately I've become much more nuanced. some places are already bad (Zimbabwe etc.) and will depopulate.

on the other hand, other areas will thrive. maybe even Holland. PO is recognized by the Dutch elite. there is a taskforce, headed by the head of Shell Holland, that is setting up a Delta-plan for a transition away from fossil fueles.

the plan is named after the project that secured us from the seas.

they identified 80 projects/trajects which we could follow for different aspects of the entire problem with PO. 25 will be chosen and carried out.

at least here it is out and in the open. in the 8 o clock news, extra items afterwards, in the quality newspapers etc. and it is made clear to the populace that changes will and MUST come because the stuff is running out.

really lots of projects going on. but are they on time? that's the question.

anyhow: plan for the worst, hope for the best, accept the outcome.

best to all,

michel

[Peak_Plus]

Oh, no! Now the Belgian is taking on the Dutchman.

Sam, are you from Flanders (what part) or from Wallonia? Do you speak Dutch (sorry, Flemish) or French?

[venky]

I enjoyed JD's blog from time to time and he made some good points now and again. However at the end I felt that he began to fall into the same reasoning employed by the doomers that he was arguing against. That is use any fact or argument, however misleading to justify one's agenda, while ignoring any counter argument completely.

Also hanging up his boots claiming Peak Oil is a non-event when oil has crosse $3.00/gallon, we know of serious problem regarding high prices in southeast Asia, and while the geo-political situation might trigger an energy crisis anyday, is I think rather disingenuous.

[Wildwell]

That’s very hurtful that.

Pstarr, I think that’s a little disingenuous. JD can give as ‘good as he gets’ and is quite capable or presenting the ‘other side’ of the story, much the same as some of the skilled operators this side. Having written quite a few of the posts on POD myself, I do take offence that it was done for sycophantic reasons. The rhetoric on here on the beating of drums gets pretty loud too you know? JD was ticked off by a number of people, including me, for attacks on prominent PO bugles and it was one of the reasons I chose not to contribute to the blog.

One should be open minded to the area under discussion and not get into this business of ‘belief’. It’s not a feckin cult, well, you would trust not. Once you get into pushing the business of agendas it serves no real purpose. As you well know, the metal is crashing between Lorenzo and I over bio fuels, really because I want to get down to brass tacks, rather just ‘buy into it’, which I would if I thought it was a good thing.

We should be interested in fact and objective truth - otherwise there is a propensity for anyone associated with the subject to look like a banana. There are after all two sides to every story, and it’s up to the reader to make up their own mind. JD’s blog is the other side of the story, it might be just as wrong as the opposing group - it’s up to the grand jury to decide. We should welcome debate, not stifle it.

[Wildwell]

Well no, JD isn’t wholly objective, who is? I see him no worse than someone like Monte, and for the record I have respect for them both. Another one of the reasons I stopped writing for POD was I thought that it was getting less objective and into the business of attacks on people, even conspiracy at times, certainly verging into the bounds of science fiction. Nevertheless, he does like it not, make some valid points. There’s an awful lot of faux scientific debate over on this channel too, and some of the commentary is grasping at straws: Such like as: Oh look the truckers are going on strike, the whole industry is going bust and we’ll starve. This is just patently untrue, and probably a result of spin from those that have been wounded.

Lorenzo is a different kettle of fish. To me he’s an airy fairy socialist, alright I’ll take it back, verging on a champagne socialist that has got an idea or two, which may or may not be valid. His hate for anything ‘Anglo Saxon’, whole hearted belief that: EU = Good, US = Bad makes me take him less than seriously. In fact very often I think he’s clutching Tony Blair’s golden balls in that avatar of his.

[arretium]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('toadster', '.')..he thinks peak oil is a NON-EVENT. I think he's right too.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('arretium', '.')..The bottom line is that based on known data, we've gone through over 1/2 of the world's oil supply...

[arretium]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('arretium', '.')..The bottom line is that based on known data, we've gone through over 1/2 of the world's oil supply...

[Pops]

It’s unfortunate I think that people in general are so willing to dismiss arguments that go against their belief in the team without a second thought - perhaps the internet is like the big SUV that makes people forget the manners they learned when 5 years old.

I was one of the original doomers on this site and I give credit to JD for his many arguments, which have caused me to be somewhat less pessimistic.

In fact I nominated him as a moderator here at one point because I felt the site – and the entire subject, needed a balanced approach to be credible. The attacks on folks with ideas to the contrary of accepted PO beliefs – and they are beliefs regardless of the source cited, are the main reason I remain as pessimistic as I am.

Aaron said be afraid of PO but more afraid of your neighbors reaction; this thread is proof of that idea.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('arretium', 'Y')ou respond with facts.

[arretium]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('arretium', 'Y')ou respond with facts.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '
')How would you have responded to the "NON-EVENT" remark? Do you at least agree that JD and toadster apparently feel the supply of oil is infinite? How else could PO be a "non-event"?

[sameu]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Peak_Plus', 'O')h, no! Now the Belgian is taking on the Dutchman.

Sam, are you from Flanders (what part) or from Wallonia? Do you speak Dutch (sorry, Flemish) or French?

[sameu]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '
')How would you have responded to the "NON-EVENT" remark? Do you at least agree that JD and toadster apparently feel the supply of oil is infinite? How else could PO be a "non-event"?

[CARVER]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', 'I') came to the conclusion that peak oil is a non-event, which has no significant impact on my daily life.

[CARVER]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sameu', 'B')ut I'm afraids this is stuff for the folder 'too little too late' They're talking about it. Implementing the shit on a huge scale is something else!