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Re: Passive House Design

Unread postby BobWallace » Thu 04 Oct 2007, 23:58:49

Hot climates: Both an attic fan to pull hot air out of the attic and a "whole house" fan to pull cool air into the house at night.

The attic fan will let the ceiling of your house "live" in a more moderate climate. Attics can get incredibly hot and moving some outside air in, hot air out can make a big difference.

There are attic fans that run off their own solar panels. Just cut a hole in the roof and install them.

Many hot places in the SE can be miserable during the day but quite moderate at night (I grew up in Tennessee). If you pull cool air into your house at night you can store "cool" in your thermal mass (think furniture, sheet rock, etc.) and use it to postpone the heat of the next day.

I had an aunt/uncle who built with a basement. They had a whole house fan and pulled cool air from the basement into the house in the afternoon. (These were the days before air conditioning.) Made a great difference. And the air exchanges in the basement meant no damp, dank basement.

Use curtains/shades/blinds/landscaping to block sunlight during the day. It's best if you block the heat before it gets into the house. Check into "solar screens" for windows that get hit with sunlight during summer days. They can block an incredible amount of heat while still allowing one to enjoy the view.
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Re: Passive House Design

Unread postby TreeFarmer » Fri 05 Oct 2007, 21:36:04

The attic fan/ whole house fan idea is good for October to April in southern Georgia. During the other months it really does not coll off that much at night as a rule (I'm talking 80ish at midnight is not uncommon).

I've got a site where I can build a one-story house with a walk-out basement to the North.

I'm going to get a couple of books and see exactly how close to E-W I need to orient the ranch I want to build and also how much overhang I need to shade the windows for 8 months of the year.

FWIW, the average January temperatures where I want to build are High 62, Low 37. As you can see, I will not need much heat at this location.

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Re: Passive House Design

Unread postby BobWallace » Sun 07 Oct 2007, 11:49:01

How about a heat collecting "porch" on the south side? Open it up during sunny days or add a thermostat controlled fan to move hot air into the rest of the house. Then trap that heat with good insulation/dual pane windows to hold you over the night.

Convert the "glass" porch to a screened porch during the warmer months. That will give you a thermal barrier from some of the heat, lowering your cooling needs.

Opening windows, French doors, opening skylights would all move heat out during the hot months. Might be a great place to add a solar-driven roof fan.

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Doing an air exchange with the basement rather than sucking cool air out and replacing it with outside, hotter air might work better. You may have to take humidity into consideration.
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Re: Passive House Design

Unread postby werigh » Tue 09 Oct 2007, 22:28:34

I agree with Bob that an air exchange in the basement would be a good solution. Could be as simple as a set of large pvc tubes 10-foot deep underground on the north side of the house, with a "chimney" drafting air from above ground, a hundred feet of the house.

As for passive solar home designs, if you follow the basic principles, you get a house that can be both comfortable and nice to look at.

Besides, I like the videos they've put up on this page about alternative heating solutions. It's interesting what one can do with recycle tires and cans! You can actually see the cooling tube installation at 2:37.
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Re: Passive House Design

Unread postby BobWallace » Wed 10 Oct 2007, 01:05:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('werigh', 'I') agree with Bob that an air exchange in the basement would be a good solution. Could be as simple as a set of large pvc tubes 10-foot deep underground on the north side of the house, with a "chimney" drafting air from above ground, a hundred feet of the house.


There have been problems with buried tube cooling - mold and fungus type stuff.

Building in S. Georgia - if it hasn't been mentioned - orient your house so that a good hunk of the roof can be used for solar panels. And set the roof pitch to approximately your latitude (best compromise panel tilt). You may not be planning solar now but panel prices are likely to make significant drops in the next (very) few years.

And keep up to speed on "stored ice" AC. Basically you make a lot of ice when power is available/less expensive and then run your heat pump coils through the ice for cooling when power is more expensive. It's happening now in commercial buildings using off-peak electricity for AC during peak price hours.

I would expect that technology to make it to residential usage in the next few years. Especially coupled with cheap solar.
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Re: Passive House Design

Unread postby Rogozhin » Wed 10 Oct 2007, 01:13:26

The link I'll post has some very good information regarding passive home design. There are also links to many good books.

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Re: Passive House Design

Unread postby Madpaddy » Fri 12 Oct 2007, 17:38:07

gg3 wrote,
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ith a larger number of smaller rooms you have the choice as to how to use the rooms, which ones to heat and cool, and you can accommodate emergency guests more easily if needed (in the community, we call emergency guests "R&Rs" for "relatives & refugees"). You can have one or more people in the "library" reading or telling stories, while someone else is in the "media room" watching a movie, while another is in the "home office" online with email, and no noise-interference between them.


You do know that as much open plan as possible is the conventional approach to passive design. You then require only one heat source for the extremely cold nights (usually a wood stove which negates the need for a central heating system). However, your points are all very well made and give food for thought ... as usual.

BobWallace is absolutely correct with the idea of the south facing porch which is opened up on sunny days to bring in heat to the whole house but is thermally seperated on cloudy cold days.

For those interested, the following link brings up an excel package used in Ireland for calculating the energy rating of houses.

http://www.sei.ie/index.asp?locID=1011&docID=-1

You click on the DEAP workbook link on the page. The manual to use the package can also be downloaded from the same page.
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Re: Passive House Design

Unread postby Pops » Sat 13 Oct 2007, 14:10:15

Lots of good advice here! I’ll talk about aesthetics since no matter the efficiency of your house, if you think it is ugly you won’t like it. I designed and we built a house in CA that met the energy code for two elevation zones colder than its location.

The best complement we had was from the guys installing the propane line who said, Great remodel on the old farmhouse!

Obviously we like old houses and Thuja and others struck on one of my favorite new/old choices; small rooms with doors and small heat/ventilation sources. Of course all southern rooms have advantages both winter and summer but we like the feeling of those little cozy rooms instead of the new barn/house style and as gg3 said, they allow you to have privacy without being totally isolated.

Our main sitting room is located on a north face and that is where we have our pretty woodstove. That room is the warmest in winter making the naturally warmer southern rooms just right.

And I’ll third Ludi and Sky’s endorsement of enclosed stairways, another new/old idea, which I hadn’t known the advantages they describe until we moved into this old house. Although we have yet to make the stairway as well lit as we would like, it makes a great picture gallery.

Finally, porches and their orientation, shelter and accessibility make all the difference in a person’s enjoyment of the outdoors and relations with passersby.

With all the technology and design tools developed over the last 30 years, the hard part is not in making an efficient house; but making it feel like a home.
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Re: Passive House Design

Unread postby Pops » Sat 13 Oct 2007, 14:21:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', 'Y')ou do know that as much open plan as possible is the conventional approach to passive design. You then require only one heat source for the extremely cold nights

I’ll just mention that when the power is out, the cordwood is covered with 4inches of ice and 4 more of snow; the last thing you want is to heat a barn instead of 2- 12x12 rooms.
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Re: Passive House Design

Unread postby BobWallace » Sat 13 Oct 2007, 18:45:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', 'Y')ou do know that as much open plan as possible is the conventional approach to passive design. You then require only one heat source for the extremely cold nights

I’ll just mention that when the power is out, the cordwood is covered with 4inches of ice and 4 more of snow; the last thing you want is to heat a barn instead of 2- 12x12 rooms.
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I read the quoted part and found myself uneasy with it also.

I'd recommend that if you live in a climate that gets rather hot or rather cold then design your house so that you can live in a small well insulated portion during the more extreme weather. That means the ability to minimize your heating or cooling energy "purchases".

Good passive design can mean the ability to efficiently move heat/cool throughout the house, but it doesn't necessarily call for one big open room.

I've insulated my "great room" from the rest of my house. It's got decent solar infusion in the winter and houses my wood stove. A while prior to bedtime I can open the bedroom doors and let the bedrooms warm up. No need to heat them all day long if no one is going to be in them.

(And create a "nasty storm" wood stash somewhere close. I keep about a quarter cord in the garage just in case going all the way to the woodpile is problematic.)
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Re: Passive House Design

Unread postby Pops » Sat 13 Oct 2007, 20:28:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BobWallace', 'A')nd create a "nasty storm" wood stash somewhere close. I keep about a quarter cord in the garage just in case going all the way to the woodpile is problematic.


Yea, I know, I need a close up woodshed accessible from the house by me and not the other way by termites – our house is too old for an attached garage.
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Re: Passive House Design

Unread postby Madpaddy » Sun 14 Oct 2007, 03:23:47

Bobwallace wrote,

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') read the quoted part and found myself uneasy with it also.


I should have qualified my comments about open plan by saying large open plan roms on the south face of the house.

Here is a guideline from Sustainable Energy Ireland (an Irish state organisation).

http://193.178.1.196/uploadedfiles/Info ... Design.pdf
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