[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'N')o where in there is the expectation of government intervention. If that seems sarcastic to you I am sorry.

[vision-master]

Some towns in Scandinavia are linked togather by ski trails.

[vtsnowedin]

If you live in the snow belt and want to be independent you set up your well insulated house with enough supplies to get you through any storm or period when the roads are out. If you heat with oil or propane you get a tank that holds enough fuel for the entire heating season. 2000 gallon tanks are common. If you heat with wood you have your full winters supply (six to ten cord) on hand before November first and many keep at least half of the next years on hand drying out just in case. If your furnace needs electricity to run the burner and fans then you put in a wood stove back up or a backup generator to make sure you can keep the house above freezing even at 40 below. You have your own snow shovels or snow blower and know how to use them and perhaps even an old four wheel drive truck with a plow on it to clear the drive.
If you don't mind being dependant on others you hire someone to plow the drive and have a smaller fuel tank that gets filled at least once a month but you don't let that get below a third full at any time unless your out of work and broke.
Just like you tell a teenager when they learn to drive. "you can run just as far and as cheap on the top half of the gas tank as you can on the bottom half and using just the top half means you never have to walk home." Of course they don't listen until they run out of gas some winter night and have to walk home at thirty below zero F. They also learn to keep there boots ,coat ,gloves and hat in the trunk all winter no matter how dressy the affair they are going to.
I have to wonder about New York. How many unemployed men are there in the city? Pass them out snow shovels or dust pans or hub caps and put them to work in gangs of twenty.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow many unemployed men are there in the city? Pass them out snow shovels or dust pans or hub caps and put them to work in gangs of twenty.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'I')n a libertarian paradise you would have no expectation that the state would be running to your personal aid. You would have a couple of weeks of food and fuel on hand, gortex clothing for when the heat goes off, and one of your vehicles would be a four wheeled drive. More than that, you would have more money to buy these things because your taxes wouldn’t be siphoned off to agencies that have been more interested in the new carpets in their office and their pension funds than looking after you.

[Serial_Worrier]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'B')ite me. It's fun.
But I've pretty much always made fun of people who need a 4x4 and a Banana Republic safari outfit to go pick up a pint of half and half at the Seven Eleven, and I find the arguement that being self suffiient means sitting at the top of the global consumption pyramid in an SUV kept in reserve for rainy days, well, unpersuasive.

[pup55]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')overnment HAS to clear the streets.. without fresh supplies, a city starves within days. That's been true for centuries. There are a few basic things that must always be the function of city government because they're so important.. like fire fighting, police, sanitation, water, and getting the snow off the streets.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'B')ite me. It's fun.
But I've pretty much always made fun of people who need a 4x4 and a Banana Republic safari outfit to go pick up a pint of half and half at the Seven Eleven, and I find the arguement that being self suffiient means sitting at the top of the global consumption pyramid in an SUV kept in reserve for rainy days, well, unpersuasive.

[mattduke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'W')elcome to Libertarian paradise.

[ColossalContrarian]

I live in the "snow belt" and everyone around here knows what to do to get through a few days of isolation. I don't think this has anything to do with being a "survivalist" but more experience. When you live in a part of the world that has snow storms you know how to prepare for them. If I lived in the GOM area or East Coast I'd have knowledge of getting through storms and hurricanes but if I were put in that situation now I'd be SOL.


The topic of this thread is very good in that we can see how people are so unprepared though. What do you do when you're travelling? You could be prep'd to the gills at home but what about when you're away?

[Oneaboveall]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', 'T')here was an incidence not too long ago about some rethinking on this.... Was there not a fire department in Jersey who basically let some guy's house burn down (keeping it from spreading) because the homeowner was a mooch and did not pay his fire protection assessment?

[Serial_Worrier]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'W')elcome to Libertarian paradise.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'W')elcome to Libertarian paradise.

[bratticus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Millions Die Due to Inaction By `Overwhelmed' New York City's Emergency Response

New York City’s emergency system was “overwhelmed” by the Dec. 26 blizzard ... The city’s 911 emergency-response system received 49,478 calls on Dec. 27, the sixth-largest number ever (click here for more)

[pup55]

My bad, you are quite correct, it was Tennessee for pete's sake....
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Firefighters in rural Tennessee let a home burn to the ground last week because the homeowner hadn’t paid a $75 fee.

Gene Cranick of Obion County and his family lost all of their possessions in the Sept. 29 fire, along with three dogs and a cat.

“They could have been saved if they had put water on it, but they didn’t do it,” Cranick told MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hinterlander', 'N')ovus, Is there a link or two that you could provide for that info? I agree, this story feels rather ominous I would like to read more about it.

[Quinny]

It just makes sense to collectively organise some services. Imagine the accidents & crime driving throught neighbourhoods where some people decide not to pay for the streetlamp outside their house and decide they don't want to grit their bit of pavement. The management costs, time and organisation of piecemeal services like that are massive.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')overnment HAS to clear the streets.. without fresh supplies, a city starves within days. That's been true for centuries. There are a few basic things that must always be the function of city government because they're so important.. like fire fighting, police, sanitation, water, and getting the snow off the streets.

[dinopello]

The extensive network of roads that need to be cleared of snow only exist due to huge government subsidies of the transportation infrastructure. If all transportation was privately funded we would have more compact communities where people walked and they would be connected to each other by trains. This is a more efficient arrangement and one the market would and will choose as the unsustainability of government subsidies of public roads becomes more acute. Snow removal is an extraordinary event - eventually it will be general repair and maintenance that can't be afforded on a large enough scale for the road network to become largely degraded for automobile travel. If your town is not walkable and does not have a rail or shipping infrastructure, I would move.

Even with communities where people walk, you need to do some clearing of snow. But the scale is small enough that it is manageable. Here, the government has a snow blower loan program. Neighborhoods organize thenself to clear the sidewalks in their community with volunteers assisted with the equipment they borrow from the county. Not sure this is sustainable either, but the practice has built up local organizations (or taken advantage of organization already in place) that take responsibility for making their community function.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'T')he extensive network of roads that need to be cleared of snow only exist due to huge government subsidies of the transportation infrastructure. If all transportation was privately funded we would have more compact communities where people walked and they would be connected to each other by trains.

[deMolay]

Looks like the slow snow cleanup by Unionized Thugs in NYC was a budget protest action by the Union. Socialized Snow Removal at work. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/sani ... OJlekSSDJK