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Re: Misanthropists

Unread postby killJOY » Tue 05 Aug 2008, 06:46:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m curious what makes them tick like that.


Plarin, I've studied literature and history.

That's all it takes to become completely disillusioned with humanity.

I learned about "peak oil" as a young geology student in the early 80s.

Authorities have known about the phenomenon for decades. They did nothing.

By the way, it doesn't matter what we think or feel. Thoughts have no power over events.
Peak oil = comet Kohoutek.
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Re: Misanthropists

Unread postby MadScientist » Tue 05 Aug 2008, 09:52:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'B')y the way, it doesn't matter what we think or feel. Thoughts have no power over events.



thats a misleading statement. While I would agree that our thoughts and feelings won't preserve life as we know it, a person's state of mind has a profound impact on their personal life. A person's actions are a direct result of those thoughts and feelings.

That is why flexibility is the controlling force in a system.
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Re: Misanthropists

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 05 Aug 2008, 12:06:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plarin', '
')I'm curious, did you actually discover peak oil by yourself?


Don't quite remember. I think it was a link in a talkback somewhere, like digg comments on a global warming news story or something like that.

After I read through lifeaftertheoilcrash I started cross referencing to other sites like oildrum, etc... That's because lifeaftertheoilcrash looks like your typical world's end paranoid site. But the more research I did the more the logic held together, which was frightening. That's what caused a "switch" in the way I viewed the world from then on.
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Re: Misanthropists

Unread postby dinopello » Tue 05 Aug 2008, 12:58:35

OK, I've moved a step closer to misanthrope. We were watching MSNBC at lunch and there's some lady from Michigan that sent a $16 bill to the state for gas charges she says she incurred while sitting in traffic due to pothole repair they were doing. That lady deserves to be misanthroped out of her car. Put her on the forced labor infrastructure repair crew.
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Re: Misanthropists

Unread postby killJOY » Tue 05 Aug 2008, 13:22:23

madscientist:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a') person's state of mind has a profound impact on their personal life. A person's actions are a direct result of those thoughts and feelings.


I agree.

But look at what I said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')y the way, it doesn't matter what we think or feel. Thoughts have no power over events.


EVENTS in and of themselves cannot be influenced by thoughts or feelings.
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Re: Misanthropists

Unread postby Plarin » Tue 05 Aug 2008, 14:37:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MadScientist', '
')Matt Savinar's LATOC site was my first glimpse at peak oil also. My mom was the person who referred me to it. Her and my stepdad have been living a post collapse lifestyle for a long time because they believe our world has abandoned God. And FWIW she is an amazing cook considering she starts from scratch (grinds all grain)and cans pretty much everthing from venison hash to maple syrup. No substitute for experience. I also have a 10 yr old half brother who would put most adults in America to shame as far as skills and capabilities ranging from butchering/running a farm to hunting/marksmanship.
Parents dont underestimate your children :)


... I'm not trying to make a personal attack here, but since you're just been acting like you've been taught, I don't think you're in a position to consider yourself superior.

You might be more accepting of doomsday scenarios, but since you're expecting one already, you're psychologically prepared for it.

Anyway, what I think is that most people got here through a combination of circumstances and intellect. Just that doesn't make you any more righteous than the average Joe.
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Re: Misanthropists

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 05 Aug 2008, 14:50:34

I probably have an unusually sunny opinion of people in general. I've been fortunate to have known few truly horrible people, and the people I meet in day to day (well, in my case, week to week) life, seem reasonably nice and intelligent. I've never been badly screwed over by anyone. So, in many ways I am naive. The worst people by far I have met have been on the internet.

I don't tell people about peak oil because they aren't interested in hearing about it, in my experience. They think "someone will fix it." I don't think these people deserve to die for their ignorance, they're just repeating what they have learned their whole lives.
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Re: Misanthropists

Unread postby MadScientist » Tue 05 Aug 2008, 15:01:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plarin', '
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... I'm not trying to make a personal attack here, but since you're just been acting like you've been taught, I don't think you're in a position to consider yourself superior.

You might be more accepting of doomsday scenarios, but since you're expecting one already, you're psychologically prepared for it.

Anyway, what I think is that most people got here through a combination of circumstances and intellect. Just that doesn't make you any more righteous than the average Joe.



Right. and like many others here, I've put myself "out there" to try and get people to understand, or at least do a little research on there own, because i love people

I dont feel self righteous or superior. I feel sad. Seriously, why else would we all be here discussing the issue if we didnt care enough about people to share? With a couple exceptions, the misanthropists are locking down their bunkers and finishing up their preps instead of participating on this forum.
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Re: Misanthropists

Unread postby RedStateGreen » Tue 05 Aug 2008, 15:09:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MadScientist', 'W')ith a couple exceptions, the misanthropists are locking down their bunkers and finishing up their preps instead of participating on this forum.

I'd be one of those exceptions. I've been a misanthrope all my life, in the classic sense of the word:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'n').
One who hates or mistrusts humankind.


I'm here to learn to survive, as I've learned the hard way that no one is going to 'save' me, except perhaps after I'm dead.

But perhaps I can offer something that will help someone else in return. I don't hate people, but I sure as hell don't trust them.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', '&')quot;Taste the sizzling fury of fajita skillet death you marauding zombie goon!"

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Re: Misanthropists

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 05 Aug 2008, 15:13:04

I've read an article debating oil depletion issues in a 12 year old magazine in 1988 and that all it took for me. I realized that sooner or later they will run out no matter what, and had a serious doubt they will come up with something else. So I was expecting some significat doom&gloom by 2030s-2040s ( had no idea of peakoil ) I was 11 at the time.

as for misanthropy, I personally believe keeping 400 megatonnes of human biomass alive is not worth mass specie extinction . I care for my family, my nation, my race and everybody else can go to hell.

LESS PEOPLE --->MORE AIR!!
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Re: Misanthropists

Unread postby Plarin » Tue 05 Aug 2008, 15:51:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', ' ')I care for my family, my nation, my race and everybody else can go to hell.


...

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Re: Misanthropists

Unread postby countrymomma » Tue 05 Aug 2008, 15:53:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'O')K, I've moved a step closer to misanthrope. We were watching MSNBC at lunch and there's some lady from Michigan that sent a $16 bill to the state for gas charges she says she incurred while sitting in traffic due to pothole repair they were doing. That lady deserves to be misanthroped out of her car. Put her on the forced labor infrastructure repair crew.


Exactly! This same woman would be ranting and raving if she hit that pothole while she was yapping on her cellphone. Crying that some needs to buy her a new tire and shocks.

My husband is a commercial electrician and a couple of weeks ago a big windstorm turned off the power to a number of nearby cities. People were swarming his work van & cussing him on his lunch break - wanting to know why he was taking a break when they still didn't have their air conditioning back on. Baaaaaaa.

I feel less and less compassion for these folks. They want all the problems fixed immediately and they want no personal inconvenience. me, mine, now, more.

good luck

My family and I have been trying to educate ourselves in becoming as self sufficient as possible. I only found out about PO this year - no one in this farming community is talking about it & I just happened to stumble on a book review of The Long Emergency then I came across some PO sites & eventually landed here.

I would have been surprised to hear anyone mention PO before, but for crying out loud - we were taught in grade school that petroleum is non-renewable. It should stand to reason that there is a peak and a decline somewhere. It was simply something I never thought about until I was presented with the information.

But, even without that information, we were making changes because of the simple facts we were facing every day. Costs going up, more severe weather, paychecks staying the same, living way out where help is not minutes away. It's the folks who refuse to make any adjustments and cry about no one running to their rescue when they get in a jam that irk me. Like it or not - those are sheeple.

I do not want folks to die at all. And the thought that many of these incapable people have children relying on the makes it a hundred times worse. But I have children relying on me every day, good or bad, and I'm not running my mouth about preparations because I don't want to become someone's convenience store should things really get bad.

I'm only as smart as the next gal - so if I could find the information and get a little education, so can anyone else. I don't need to spend any more time trying to convince everyone else.
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Re: Misanthropists

Unread postby countrymomma » Tue 05 Aug 2008, 16:03:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedStateGreen', '
')I'm here to learn to survive, as I've learned the hard way that no one is going to 'save' me, except perhaps after I'm dead.

But perhaps I can offer something that will help someone else in return. I don't hate people, but I sure as hell don't trust them.


I completely agree. We're trying to pick up the skills that will serve us well - and this includes using those skills to trade with others. Now and later. I've picked up a lot of great information on forums like this & I hope I occasionally can provide others with the same when questions arise that I have experience with. The same goes locally.

Helping someone with a skill is not the same as giving them free access to your pantry :) I'm sure they would prefer that though - way easier & far less forethought required.
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Re: Misanthropists

Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 06 Aug 2008, 21:51:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plarin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', ' ')I care for my family, my nation, my race and everybody else can go to hell.


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Re: Misanthropists

Unread postby sameu » Sun 10 Aug 2008, 18:47:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plarin', '
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... I'm not trying to make a personal attack here, but since you're just been acting like you've been taught, I don't think you're in a position to consider yourself superior.

You might be more accepting of doomsday scenarios, but since you're expecting one already, you're psychologically prepared for it.

Anyway, what I think is that most people got here through a combination of circumstances and intellect. Just that doesn't make you any more righteous than the average Joe.


I disagree
I figured it out myself, that moment that I was walking on the street seeing all the cars driving around, I suddenly realised, what they burn now is lost forever, and then that graph that I for some reason have never forgot, popped back in my mind, oil production over time. It was presented to me when I was in school at age 13; I still remember how the teacher and the classroom looked like.
And I also realised that the reason that graph was still somewhere in my mind, is because I already realised then the importancy of this graph and the concept of a finite resource. And someday we would ran out of oil. Only problem, at that age, no internet etc, you don't go out checking how much oil is left, production curves etc, you just trust the general consensus that "there's plenty of oil left".
Many years later I came across a magazine with on the frontpage a title about oil depletion and peakoil. I didn't buy it but read it at the store. Promising myself I had to check this out on the internet, cause I had the feeling they're were on to something. And then I came across latoc. All the pieces fell into their place.
Only problem then, I was freaking alone, no one to discuss it with irl. No one I knew had ever heard about peakoil, no one bothered to check it. This caused some serious doubts, are those peakoilers and I crazy or is the world crazy.
When I presented some links to a new friend of mine, I considered it a bit like a risk, chances were that he would laugh with me and dismiss it all as bullshit. But then again, he's very intelligent and there was a possibility that he would confirm my concerns about peakoil. So I mailed him the links and did nothing more, I waited.
Couple of days and weeks later, he was fully aware and on board with peakoil.

Point being, I consider this friend of mine indeed as more intelligent, more capable of processing (unpleasant) new information and as you will, 'superior' then 99% of the people who I also tried to inform but walked away.
And this was about four years ago, when the airlines were not going bankrupt, when there was no inflation, when oil was at 40$; when there where no clear 'real' signs.
Nowadays every other day a newsarticle comes out that backs your arguments and people still don't believe you.
Well screw them.
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Re: Misanthropists

Unread postby drew » Sun 10 Aug 2008, 18:56:36

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Plarin, I've studied literature and history.

That's all it takes to become completely disillusioned with humanity.




you're a dark soul, Killjoy!

but I love you anyways......

(the Classical Studies degree, with a smattering of history and poli-sci, gives me a similar sentiment)


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Re: Misanthropists

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sun 10 Aug 2008, 19:12:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'O')K, I've moved a step closer to misanthrope. We were watching MSNBC at lunch and there's some lady from Michigan that sent a $16 bill to the state for gas charges she says she incurred while sitting in traffic due to pothole repair they were doing. That lady deserves to be misanthroped out of her car. Put her on the forced labor infrastructure repair crew.


If they're repairing potholes at all, she should be extremely thankful. Southeast Michigan they usually just wait till they get big enough and throw an old matress off in them.
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Re: Misanthropists

Unread postby Hindutva » Sun 10 Aug 2008, 21:42:13

The unqualified environmentalists and global warming alarmists are misanthropists.
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Re: Misanthropists

Unread postby Homesteader » Sun 10 Aug 2008, 21:45:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hindutva', 'T')he unqualified environmentalists and global warming alarmists are misanthropists.


I don't think you could be more wrong.
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Re: Misanthropists

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 10 Aug 2008, 21:58:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hindutva', 'T')he unqualified environmentalists and global warming alarmists are misanthropists.


Har har har! :-D Yeah, I mostly think people are great. But I bet I'd qualify as an "unqualified environmentalist and global warming alarmist" in your book. Therefore, I must be a misanthropist.

Uh, yeah.
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