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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'i') am very dubious of those claims
im not even sure a 50cc moped does 157 miles per gallon let alone a car ! There doesn't look anything revolutionary in there to make it get such a high mpg. Maybe if they told us under what conditions it was tested it would be more believable. Like down a 157 mile hill for example

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ada/Izh Niva (popular in Canada), Oda 4x4 etc..

[Mesuge]

I could be wrong but my impression is that you are partly right as the suburbia goes into toilet post PO in the major part of the US you will need those 4x4 etc. I hope the majority of Europeans will readjust to bikes and Loremos more easily as they have already done in many parts of the continent with regard to the former and increased low energy mobility penetration.. So some places will do better than others on the globe, only future will tell..

[Mesuge]

New Loremo shot and some details here:
http://www.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/0,15 ... 77,00.html

[J-Rod]

Nice work Mesuge. You're really hooking it up on some nice pics. I especially like the rear seating. Good thing the windows are tinted, I can only imagine a couple of rugrats flipping me off with me behind them, and the parents not knowing a thing.

[Mesuge]

New most interesting set of Loremo shots:

http://genf.vezess.hu/hir.php?idx=7499

[Mesuge]

I'm only worried that by 2009 there will be completely different priorities than improving mobility efficiency by plunking down $13.000 or less for a glider. Namely, widespread panic as gradually more people will realize the horror implications of the energy availability and the tight economic growth/maintanance link..

[Mesuge]

Article and interview with Uli Sommers of Loremo is available at EV World:
http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section ... oryid=1015

[thor]

This car is a pipe dream. Just quit the production of large sedans and 4x4, and improve the efficiency of the already existing small cars. Developing new cars in a Post Peak world is ludicrous, why re-inventing the wheel when we don't have the recources to do so?

[Mesuge]

This is car is not a pipedream, VRI institute in the US had similar cars with above 110 mpg since 1970s. You should blame the idiotic public, the politicians not the technology..

[TheBaker]

I find the topic of transportation and efficiency always interesting. I hate with a passion the way we have squandered billions of barrels of oil on gas guzzling SUV's and other huge vehicles. Since the auto manufacturers won't stop making vehicles anytime soon (at least not for a few years at a minimum) I'm all for making the most fuel efficient vehicles possible.

But what ever happened to a good old bike ride?? If we would only take a small fraction of the billions we spend every year on highway upkeep and expansion and redirect it towards nice, safe, bike paths we could make a huge dent in oil consumption. Of course I understand that would require people to get off their lazy butts and pedal a bike, but it's a win win! Healthy and a huge help to the PO and GW problems. If you really had to for the people who couldn't handle peddaling a bike, you could motorize one with a full fairing that would make hundreds of mpg.

With the current PO and GW situation, it's amazing how unintelligent and lazy the human race is. I guess I can barely understand how a person could not worry about the future if it's 50 plus years out, but our current problems facing us are right around the corner. Forget the next generation, it's our future that is in complete jeopardy!

Sorry for bouncing around a bit. Frustration causes that I guess.

[Revi]

Why not have solar cars that charge for eight hours and drive for one? Infinity miles per gallon! We're working on one at my school. It will go around 25 mph, carry two people and have a bit of space for groceries. Why do we need car companies to make these things? Make them out of lightweight materials in many locations. We drove ours around last week. It would be a great little car to get around in!

[whereagles]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thor', 'D')eveloping new cars in a Post Peak world is ludicrous, why re-inventing the wheel when we don't have the recources to do so?

[J-Rod]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'W')hy not have solar cars that charge for eight hours and drive for one? Infinity miles per gallon!

[Eddie_lomax]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thor', 'T')his car is a pipe dream. Just quit the production of large sedans and 4x4, and improve the efficiency of the already existing small cars. Developing new cars in a Post Peak world is ludicrous, why re-inventing the wheel when we don't have the recources to do so?

[gg3]

Loremo = the Zundapp Janus reborn!

In both cars the power supply is in the middle, there are no doors on the sides, the front and rear surfaces of the vehicle are the "doors", and the rear passengers face rearward.

The original Janus looks like a Dr. Doolittle's Pushme-Pullyu version of a BMW Isetta that faces both ways, and it in turn was based on a Dornier design that looks like a trapezoidal box and could be mistaken for a compact street sweeper minus the brushes.

So, some things keep coming around again and again, which is another way of saying that physics is convergent. As with VW's 300mpg diesel that takes its design hints from Messerschmitt, 60 years back.

Toecutter, I'll take a Dymaxion minivan the day it becomes available. Keep the 3-wheel design but apply power to the single rear wheel and steering to the two front. Sliding doors both sides for cargo access. Probably enough room for batteries for a 200 mile range conservatively.

[nemo]

Excellent vehicle efficiency thread! (some of it way above my head though...)
I apologize if this link has been posted before. It's about a six-stroke engine - water is injected in the cylinder to provide cooling and some measure of steam power. The article mentions heavy truck applications, but wouldn't it be beneficial to do away with radiators on smaller vehicles too? Would the drag reductions be significant in any way on an already very streamlined vehicle? I know that radiator drag is a big issue in F1 cars and the like, but they burn LOTS of fuel=big heat issues and at high speed=big drag issues.
Just wondering...

[Mesuge]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eddie_lomax', '
')Out of interest, does anyone know what the highest mpg possible for a motorbike is ?

[Mesuge]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', 'L')oremo = the Zundapp Janus reborn!

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nemo', 'E')xcellent vehicle efficiency thread! (some of it way above my head though...)
I apologize if this link has been posted before. It's about a six-stroke engine - water is injected in the cylinder to provide cooling and some measure of steam power.