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Re: japanese whale slaughter halved by activists

Unread postby shortonsense » Wed 14 Apr 2010, 18:44:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'W')ell written Short. If the whale harvest drops, the Japs might not get out, then I would miss those hillarious shows of the Sea Sheperd folks acting like total dorks.


They are all so SERIOUS all the time, aren't they? As long as they keep up the impotence, its all good TV, and thats really the goal at the end of the day, publicity.
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Re: japanese whale slaughter halved by activists

Unread postby shortonsense » Wed 14 Apr 2010, 18:56:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '
')Like Pstarr, I wish luck to the impotent as well, the more times they crash ships at sea, or get themselves run over by the Japanese whalers, the better reality TV show they make.
What happens when we deplete the species population-density below breeding necessity. Are you okay with the extinction of whales?


They aren't hunting a species near extinction, nor is their harvesting causing it to go extinct....give the nonstop propaganda a break.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')Do you not believe in appropriate regulation, or do you expect the free-market to somehow to spare the species?


Of course I believe in reasonable regulations. And i'm happy that the japanese follow them...which the zealots simply disagree with. Fortunately, they document it on reality TV so I can teach my children what impotence looks like.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')What mechanism exists to enforce the free-market decision to protect the whales?


If you haven't figured it out, ask a 2nd grader and then listen and learn. This isn't HARD pstarr.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')Who will pay to protect the last whales from the hungry-wealthy? Obviously if not a government, it must be the activists?


Impotent activism makes good TV. Maybe the free markeet solution is, humans need TV entertainment, so lets keep whales alive so japanese can hunt them, and serious, but impotent zealots can object by being bad seamen who spend all their time crashing and getting their boats sunk and demonstrating amusing ineffectiveness season after season?
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Re: japanese whale slaughter halved by activists

Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 14 Apr 2010, 19:13:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', '
')I seem to remember some here struggling to understand why the activists were pursuing their anti-whaling endeavours when they had no impact and the whalers weren't bothered.
Well, there is an impact, and they are bothered alright- as I said at the time, to no apparent avail, the activists hit the whalers right where it hurts- in the wallet 8)

And, of course, they've saved quite a few whales from the harpoon.

I look forward to an even less successful season for the Japanese next year, and once more it will probably be up to the activists, not the IWC, to achieve that.


Maybe.....this is one of those woulda shoulda coulda type situations. Maybe if the Fleet of Impotence hadn't been there, the whalers would have caught less anyway. Correlation is not causation, no matter how badly someone's publicity machine wants to claim otherwise.

Like Pstarr, I wish luck to the impotent as well, the more times they crash ships at sea, or get themselves run over by the Japanese whalers, the better reality TV show they make.


What happens when we deplete the species population-density below breeding necessity. Are you okay with the extinction of whales?



He is, as he stated that many times already. And so are you, with the difference that you are playing the usual liberal-hypocrat crap-card and he is honest about it.

"You cant sit on a cock and eat it at the same time" Just a FYO
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Re: japanese whale slaughter halved by activists

Unread postby shortonsense » Wed 14 Apr 2010, 19:25:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '
')Impotent activism makes good TV. Maybe the free markeet solution is, humans need TV entertainment, so lets keep whales alive so japanese can hunt them, and serious, but impotent zealots can object by being bad seamen who spend all their time crashing and getting their boats sunk and demonstrating amusing ineffectiveness season after season?

What an insulting, mean spirited piece of drek.


Struck me as exactly what you asked for...a free market solution to keeping the whales around. You strike me as being awful serious sounding about a TV show there pstarr.
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Re: japanese whale slaughter halved by activists

Unread postby shortonsense » Wed 14 Apr 2010, 19:27:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '
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"You cant sit on a cock and eat it at the same time" Just a FYO


Oh KA POW!! You aren't suggesting that pstarr is a little bit on the, well, you know, "happy" man side of the fence now are you?
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Re: japanese whale slaughter halved by activists

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 14 Apr 2010, 19:53:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '
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"You cant sit on a cock and eat it at the same time" Just a FYO


Oh KA POW!! You aren't suggesting that pstarr is a little bit on the, well, you know, "happy" man side of the fence now are you?
So you don't remove this post, I have captured it for posterity.

Racist homophobes like you two do not deserve a seat at this table. So go f3ck yourselves and say bye bye.



But that kind of stuff is what makes this messageboard a Laff Riot and a joy to visit every day. :)


To be honest, I have both of them on "ignore."
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Re: japanese whale slaughter halved by activists

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Wed 14 Apr 2010, 20:07:25

There can be little doubt that the substantial distraction of this years Southern Ocean Japanese whale hunt had a slowing impact. The window of opportunity during the southern summer does not allow for infinite mucking about and successful hunting.
However; the antics of this year's protesters seem to have massively backfired. Several previous anti whaling countries are now talking about supporting legalization of the hunt under real terms, allowing Japan to quit it's fabricated scientific whaling tag.
The deliberate crashing of the Adi Gil has not helped the anti whaling cause at all. People did not believe that a vessel capable of 50 knotts and turning on a dime was rammed by a ship of half it's speed and 1/10th of it's maneuverability. This went down as a desperate attention grab, not the best position to be seen in when trying to convince middle of the road folk to support a cause.
My postion is that the Australian Government should have been involved directly in the protest on a territorial waters basis. This would have increased pressure on the whalers and prevented the foolhardy crashing of the Adi Gil.
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Re: japanese whale slaughter halved by activists

Unread postby yeahbut » Wed 14 Apr 2010, 23:24:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'M')aybe.....this is one of those woulda shoulda coulda type situations. Maybe if the Fleet of Impotence hadn't been there, the whalers would have caught less anyway. Correlation is not causation, no matter how badly someone's publicity machine wants to claim otherwise.


I know you are determined to think of the actions of Sea Shepherd as having no effect on the whalers, but it really does fly in the face of reality. The activists are more than happy to quote them, but the statements regarding reduced catch have come from the whalers. The whalers acknowledge the causational link between the disruptive activities of the anti-whalers, and their reduced catch, and are not racked by any 'coulda, shoulda' type philosphical conundrums. Here's Glen Inwood, spokesman for that marvellously Orwellian named organisation, The Institute for Cetacean Research(cod-scientific PR face of the whaling industry), complaining that the activists have stopped them from killing as many whales as they wanted to:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')r Inwood said the whalers lost 31 days because of harrassment and interference by the Sea Shepherd group, but other factors such as bad weather also contributed.


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I'm pretty sure the whalers factor bad weather in the Southern Ocean into their catch estimates :roll:

The activists were very effective in achieving their goals: disrupting the activities of the whalers, saving whales, and drawing attention to the realities of the whaling industry which of course the whalers would much rather went unobserved and undiscussed.

I know you like to tell yourself that the activists have no effect on the whalers(altho I couldn't pretend to know why), but the facts as stated by the whalers themselves simply don't bear that out.
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Re: japanese whale slaughter halved by activists

Unread postby yeahbut » Wed 14 Apr 2010, 23:45:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'T')here can be little doubt that the substantial distraction of this years Southern Ocean Japanese whale hunt had a slowing impact. The window of opportunity during the southern summer does not allow for infinite mucking about and successful hunting.
However; the antics of this year's protesters seem to have massively backfired. Several previous anti whaling countries are now talking about supporting legalization of the hunt under real terms, allowing Japan to quit it's fabricated scientific whaling tag.


Hi SG, I realise you have a lot more knowledge in this area than most, but I have to ask what you base that proposition on? Is there much evidence to suggest that the actions of the protesters is linked with countries changing their stance on whaling? As opposed to aquiescing to the unceasing lobbying, coercion and bribery of Japan, for instance. There is certainly no denying that changes are going on, including calls from New Zealand's own Geoffrey Palmer(sigh) for a whale quota for whaling nations. However, I was not aware of any link to anti-whale activism...cheers mate
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Re: japanese whale slaughter halved by activists

Unread postby yeahbut » Thu 15 Apr 2010, 00:09:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', 'I') know you like to tell yourself that the activists have no effect on the whalers(altho I couldn't pretend to know why), but the facts as stated by the whalers themselves simply don't bear that out.

Maybe you are a Christian or on meds yourself, but to either pretend to ignore or indulge yourself with oblivion is no excuse to not know who this assw3pe is.

He is Shorty, an anti-environmental AGW-denying, free-market religious fundementalist who's agenda it is to humiiate anything he believes contradicts his GREED-IS-GOOD RELIGION

Next time do you self and others a favor, drop the "objectivity" BS, and strike a blow for goodness

SAVE THE WHALES!


No meds apart from the usual legally sanctioned ones and an occasional straying into some grey areas, and heathen to my very marrow thanks buddy :-D

I am well aware of what the sensibly challenged one is, it would be impossible to miss since he posts with a fanatical zeal. So what? He reveals his nature with every post, and the alliances that form around him reveal him even more. I've got better things to do than to work myself into a bile-filled frenzy about it. I've been there, years ago, and it's not good for you :(

I admire your passion and energy, but don't let this site take too big a bite of your reality... cheers, yb
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Re: japanese whale slaughter halved by activists

Unread postby Pretorian » Thu 15 Apr 2010, 11:53:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'S')horty, this is what you new friend Pretorian thinks of inferior species (Link to Pretorian's ugly racist past)



Well lets not get so insulting shall we ? My racist past? Noone willl ever live long enough to talk about my racist "past". Anyways , I see no connection between my allegiance to my Race and anything that I or anyone else posted in this thread.
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Re: japanese whale slaughter halved by activists

Unread postby Pretorian » Thu 15 Apr 2010, 11:55:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '
')
"You cant sit on a cock and eat it at the same time" Just a FYO


Oh KA POW!! You aren't suggesting that pstarr is a little bit on the, well, you know, "happy" man side of the fence now are you?



I dont know but he did pick himself a residence pretty close to the " epicenter" in CA , lol
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Re: japanese whale slaughter halved by activists

Unread postby Pretorian » Thu 15 Apr 2010, 12:18:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
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SAVE THE WHALES!



For the sake of all our ears , next time, before you open your yappalo about saving the whales , crawl out of your mansion in Redwoods and do something for 1 of hundreds of species that are about to go bye-bye in California, will you? Here is a shortened menu for you:


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T Butterfly, bay checkerspot ( Euphydryas editha bayensis)
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E Butterfly, lotis blue ( Lycaeides argyrognomon lotis)
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T Butterfly, Oregon silverspot ( Speyeria zerene hippolyta)
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T Fairy shrimp, vernal pool ( Branchinecta lynchi)
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T Lizard, Coachella Valley fringe-toed ( Uma inornata)
T Lizard, Island night ( Xantusia riversiana)
T Moth, Kern primrose sphinx ( Euproserpinus euterpe)
E Mountain beaver, Point Arena ( Aplodontia rufa nigra)
E Mouse, Pacific pocket ( Perognathus longimembris pacificus)
E Mouse, salt marsh harvest ( Reithrodontomys raviventris)
T Murrelet, marbled (CA, OR, WA) ( Brachyramphus marmoratus marmoratus)
XN Otter, southern sea [XN] ( Enhydra lutris nereis)
T Otter, southern sea (except where XN) ( Enhydra lutris nereis)
T Owl, northern spotted ( Strix occidentalis caurina)
E Pelican, brown (except U.S. Atlantic coast, FL, AL) ( Pelecanus occidentalis)
E Pikeminnow, Colorado (except Salt and Verde R. drainages, AZ) ( Ptychocheilus lucius)
T Plover, western snowy (Pacific coastal pop.) ( Charadrius alexandrinus nivosus)
E Pupfish, desert ( Cyprinodon macularius)
E Pupfish, Owens ( Cyprinodon radiosus)
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E Rail, California clapper ( Rallus longirostris obsoletus)
E Rail, light-footed clapper (U.S.A. only) ( Rallus longirostris levipes)
E Rail, Yuma clapper (U.S.A. only) ( Rallus longirostris yumanensis)
E Salamander, California tiger U.S.A. (CA - Santa Barbara County) ( Ambystoma californiense)
E Salamander, desert slender ( Batrachoseps aridus)
E Salamander, Santa Cruz long-toed ( Ambystoma macrodactylum croceum)
E Salmon, chinook (winter Sacramento R.) ( Oncorhynchus tshawytscha)
T Salmon, chinook (CA Central Valley spring-run) ( Oncorhynchus tshawytscha)
T Salmon, chinook (CA coastal) ( Oncorhynchus tshawytscha)
T Salmon, coho (OR, CA pop.) ( Oncorhynchus kisutch)
T Salmon, coho (central CA coast) ( Oncorhynchus kisutch)
T Sea turtle, green (except where endangered) ( Chelonia mydas)
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T Sea turtle, loggerhead ( Caretta caretta)
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T Seal, Guadalupe fur ( Arctocephalus townsendi)
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E Sheep, bighorn (Sierra Nevada pop.) ( Ovis canadensis californiana)
E Shrike, San Clemente loggerhead ( Lanius ludovicianus mearnsi)
E Shrimp, California freshwater ( Syncaris pacifica)
E Skipper, Laguna Mountains ( Pyrgus ruralis lagunae)
T Smelt, delta ( Hypomesus transpacificus)
E Snail, Morro shoulderband ( Helminthoglypta walkeriana)
T Snake, giant garter ( Thamnophis gigas)
E Snake, San Francisco garter ( Thamnophis sirtalis tetrataenia)
T Sparrow, San Clemente sage ( Amphispiza belli clementeae)
T Splittail, Sacramento ( Pogonichthys macrolepidotus)
E Steelhead (southern CA coast) ( Oncorhynchus mykiss)
T Steelhead (central CA coast) ( Oncorhynchus mykiss)
T Steelhead (Central Valley CA) ( Oncorhynchus mykiss)
T Steelhead (south central CA coast) ( Oncorhynchus mykiss)
E Stickleback, unarmored threespine ( Gasterosteus aculeatus williamsoni)
E Sucker, Lost River ( Deltistes luxatus)
E Sucker, Modoc ( Catostomus microps)
E Sucker, razorback ( Xyrauchen texanus)
T Sucker, Santa Ana (3 CA river basins) ( Catostomus santaanae)
E Sucker, shortnose ( Chasmistes brevirostris)
E Tadpole shrimp, vernal pool ( Lepidurus packardi)
E Tern, California least ( Sterna antillarum browni)
E Toad, arroyo ( Bufo microscaphus californicus)
T(S/A) Tortoise, desert (outside/taken from Sonoran Desert) ( Gopherus agassizii)
T Tortoise, desert (U.S.A., except in Sonoran Desert) ( Gopherus agassizii)
T Towhee, Inyo California ( Pipilo crissalis eremophilus)
T Trout, Lahontan cutthroat ( Oncorhynchus clarki henshawi)
T Trout, Little Kern golden ( Oncorhynchus aguabonita whitei)
T Trout, Paiute cutthroat ( Oncorhynchus clarki seleniris)
E Vireo, least Bell's ( Vireo bellii pusillus)
E Vole, Amargosa ( Microtus californicus scirpensis)
E Whale, blue ( Balaenoptera musculus)
E Whale, humpback ( Megaptera novaeangliae)
T Whipsnake, Alameda ( Masticophis lateralis euryxanthus)
E Woodrat, riparian ( Neotoma fuscipes riparia)


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E Thornmint, San Mateo ( Acanthomintha obovata duttonii)
E Onion, Munz's ( Allium munzii)
E Alopecurus, Sonoma ( Alopecurus aequalis sonomensis)
E Fiddleneck, large-flowered ( Amsinckia grandiflora)
E Rock-cress, Hoffmann's ( Arabis hoffmannii)
E Rock-cress, McDonald's ( Arabis mcdonaldiana)
E Manzanita, Santa Rosa Island ( Arctostaphylos confertiflora)
E Manzanita, Del Mar ( Arctostaphylos glandulosa crassifolia)
E Manzanita, Presidio ( Arctostaphylos hookeri ravenii)
T Manzanita, Morro ( Arctostaphylos morroensis)
T Manzanita, Ione ( Arctostaphylos myrtifolia)
T Manzanita, pallid ( Arctostaphylos pallida)
E Sandwort, Marsh ( Arenaria paludicola)
T Sandwort, Bear Valley ( Arenaria ursina)
E Milk-vetch, Cushenbury ( Astragalus albens)
E Milk-vetch, Braunton's ( Astragalus brauntonii)
E Milk-vetch, Clara Hunt's ( Astragalus clarianus)
E Milk-vetch, Lane Mountain ( Astragalus jaegerianus)
E Milk-vetch, Coachella Valley ( Astragalus lentiginosus coachellae)
T Milk-vetch, Fish Slough ( Astragalus lentiginosus piscinensis)
T Milk-vetch, Peirson's ( Astragalus magdalenae peirsonii)
E Milk-vetch, coastal dunes ( Astragalus tener titi)
E Milk-vetch, triple-ribbed ( Astragalus tricarinatus)
E Crownscale, San Jacinto Valley ( Atriplex coronata notatior)
T Baccharis, Encinitas ( Baccharis vanessae)
E Barberry, Nevin's ( Berberis nevinii)
E Barberry, island ( Berberis pinnata insularis)
E Barberry, Truckee ( Berberis sonnei)
E Sunshine, Sonoma ( Blennosperma bakeri)
T Brodiaea, thread-leaved ( Brodiaea filifolia)
T Brodiaea, Chinese Camp ( Brodiaea pallida)
T Mariposa lily, Tiburon ( Calochortus tiburonensis)
T Pussypaws, Mariposa ( Calyptridium pulchellum)
E Morning-glory, Stebbins' ( Calystegia stebbinsii)
T Evening-primrose, San Benito ( Camissonia benitensis)
E Sedge, white ( Carex albida)
E Paintbrush, Tiburon ( Castilleja affinis neglecta)
T Owl's-clover, fleshy ( Castilleja campestris succulenta)
T Paintbrush, ash-grey ( Castilleja cinerea)
E Indian paintbrush, San Clemente Island ( Castilleja grisea)
E Paintbrush, soft-leaved ( Castilleja mollis)
E Jewelflower, California ( Caulanthus californicus)
E Ceanothus, coyote ( Ceanothus ferrisae)
T Ceanothus, Vail Lake ( Ceanothus ophiochilus)
E Ceanothus, Pine Hill ( Ceanothus roderickii)
T Centaury, spring-loving ( Centaurium namophilum)
E Mountain-mahogany, Catalina Island ( Cercocarpus traskiae)
T Spurge, Hoover's ( Chamaesyce hooveri)
T Amole, purple ( Chlorogalum purpureum)
E Spineflower, Howell's ( Chorizanthe howellii)
E Spineflower, Orcutt's ( Chorizanthe orcuttiana)
E Spineflower, Ben Lomond ( Chorizanthe pungens hartwegiana)
T Spineflower, Monterey ( Chorizanthe pungens pungens)
E Spineflower, Robust ( Chorizanthe robusta)
E Spineflower, Sonoma ( Chorizanthe valida)
E Thistle, fountain ( Cirsium fontinale fontinale)
E Thistle, Chorro Creek bog ( Cirsium fontinale obispoense)
E Thistle, Suisun ( Cirsium hydrophilum hydrophilum)
E Thistle, La Graciosa ( Cirsium loncholepis)
E Clarkia, Presidio ( Clarkia franciscana)
E Clarkia, Vine Hill ( Clarkia imbricata)
E Clarkia, Pismo ( Clarkia speciosa immaculata)
T Clarkia, Springville ( Clarkia springvillensis)
E Bird's-beak, salt marsh ( Cordylanthus maritimus maritimus)
E Bird's-beak, soft ( Cordylanthus mollis mollis)
E Bird's beak, palmate-bracted ( Cordylanthus palmatus)
E Bird's-beak, Pennell's ( Cordylanthus tenuis capillaris)
E Cypress, Santa Cruz ( Cupressus abramsiana)
T Cypress, Gowen ( Cupressus goveniana goveniana)
E Larkspur, Baker's ( Delphinium bakeri)
E Larkspur, yellow ( Delphinium luteum)
E Larkspur, San Clemente Island ( Delphinium variegatum kinkiense)
E Spineflower, slender-horned ( Dodecahema leptoceras)
T Dudleya, Conejo ( Dudleya abramsii parva)
T Dudleya, marcescent ( Dudleya cymosa marcescens)
T Dudleyea, Santa Monica Mountains ( Dudleya cymosa ovatifolia)
T Dudleya, Santa Cruz Island ( Dudleya nesiotica)
E Dudleya, Santa Clara Valley ( Dudleya setchellii)
T Liveforever, Laguna Beach ( Dudleya stolonifera)
E Liveforever, Santa Barbara Island ( Dudleya traskiae)
T Dudleya, Verity's ( Dudleya verityi)
E Mallow, Kern ( Eremalche kernensis)
E Woolly-star, Santa Ana River ( Eriastrum densifolium sanctorum)
T Woolly-star, Hoover's ( Eriastrum hooveri)
T Daisy, Parish's ( Erigeron parishii)
E Mountain balm, Indian Knob ( Eriodictyon altissimum)
E Yerba santa, Lompoc ( Eriodictyon capitatum)
E Buckwheat, Ione ( Eriogonum apricum)
T Wild-buckwheat, southern mountain ( Eriogonum kennedyi austromontanum)
E Buckwheat, cushenbury ( Eriogonum ovalifolium vineum)
E Sunflower, San Mateo woolly ( Eriophyllum latilobum)
E Button-celery, San Diego ( Eryngium aristulatum parishii)
E Thistle, Loch Lomond coyote ( Eryngium constancei)
E Wallflower, Contra Costa ( Erysimum capitatum angustatum)
E Wallflower, Menzies' ( Erysimum menziesii)
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Re: japanese whale slaughter halved by activists

Unread postby shortonsense » Thu 15 Apr 2010, 22:33:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '
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"You cant sit on a cock and eat it at the same time" Just a FYO


Oh KA POW!! You aren't suggesting that pstarr is a little bit on the, well, you know, "happy" man side of the fence now are you?
So you don't remove this post, I have captured it for posterity.

Racist homophobes like you two do not deserve a seat at this table. So go f3ck yourselves and say bye bye.


Go hump someone else's leg already...the "puppy dogging on your betters" routine is getting old.
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Re: japanese whale slaughter halved by activists

Unread postby shortonsense » Thu 15 Apr 2010, 22:42:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'T')here can be little doubt that the substantial distraction of this years Southern Ocean Japanese whale hunt had a slowing impact.


Well..you could say that with certainty only if you knew the future back before the season started...and you can't, so the statement fails on its face. Certainly all the fun and games with all the boats crashing together meant that instead of spearing whales the Japanese were doing something else, but that in itself doesn't mean they wouldn't have had a crappy season, lets face it, some fishing seasons are good, some are bad, it is unlikely that just because the fish are really BIG that things are much different.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '
')The window of opportunity during the southern summer does not allow for infinite mucking about and successful hunting.
However; the antics of this year's protesters seem to have massively backfired. Several previous anti whaling countries are now talking about supporting legalization of the hunt under real terms, allowing Japan to quit it's fabricated scientific whaling tag.


Of course it backfired. Once everyone figures out you are doing it as a publicity stunt, they all get pissed off over being caught up supporting a sham. No one likes to be suckered, particularly by some "holier than thou" crusader.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '
')My postion is that the Australian Government should have been involved directly in the protest on a territorial waters basis. This would have increased pressure on the whalers and prevented the foolhardy crashing of the Adi Gil.


My position is that good TV is where you find it, and as long as Paul keeps making it, I'll watch. Watching grown men showing off their impotence is a riot in my book, plus the daughter and I are having some great discussions over male impotence, research versus food, eco-movements and ineptitude, effective versus ineffective action, cost/benefit, its been a great conversation starter. I'm quite proud of how she is approaching the issue. She's a natural green and its wonderful to watch her learn where it naturally leads.
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