[SoothSayer]

I came across this link from last year here.

It notes that the Phillipines, Indonesia, Eritrea, N Korea, Thailand and Cuba are in a "power down" situation.

Does anyone have any newer data than this?

What's happening in these - or other - countries at the moment?

How is an energy/fuel shortgage affecting their daily lives?

Can anyone who travels regularly give us any feedback on what they have encountered recently?

It could prepare us for what to expect here over the next few years.

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoothSayer', 'I') came across this link from last year here.

It notes that the Phillipines, Indonesia, Eritrea, N Korea, Thailand and Cuba are in a "power down" situation.

Does anyone have any newer data than this?

What's happening in these - or other - countries at the moment?

How is an energy/fuel shortgage affecting their daily lives?

Can anyone who travels regularly give us any feedback on what they have encountered recently?

It could prepare us for what to expect here over the next few years.

[SoothSayer]

I know you're relatively ignorant Soothy,

That's why I'm asking - to learn as much as you do!

So what are these three events you are talking about?

[dukey]

nice unhelpful post polestar

[shortonoil]

Pole said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') know you're relatively ignorant Soothy, but did you hear about the 3 relatively "major" events/unhappiness in South East Asia in just this year?

Read what the "media" says with a careful eye and you can start to realize why people in those countries are like rioting and junk. Go team.

[Jack]

I'd say yes, they are powering down.

I use (and like!) Google News. I've added such topics as electrical blackouts and coal. You can create as many sections as you like, each with terms you choose.

I notice quite a lot of electrical blackouts. Some countries are having trouble producing sufficient food.

There are a variety of other indicators, including one you've mentioned - immigration of third-worlders to our respective shores. In the case of the U.S., we have individuals from Mexico and points south who pay large fees to "coyotes" that smuggle them into the U.S. They then take dirty, dangerous jobs for relatively low pay. So one must ask what motivates them to do that. I strongly suspect the answer is extreme poverty.

Of course, in the U.S., the illegals work the system like mad to grab any welfare benefits they can. There is also a subset that seeks to profit from crime.

At the risk of going off topic, we in the first world must find a way to hold them at bay. They are going to become more desparate as powerdown and dieoff proceed. Hopefully, we'll do what's needed to keep them from swamping our lifeboat.

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoothSayer', '[')b]I know you're relatively ignorant Soothy,

That's why I'm asking - to learn as much as you do!

So what are these three events you are talking about?

[rwwff]

PolestaR sighted three articles:

a. rioting and civil war in East Timor
b. violence and looting in the Solomons.
c. extreme poverty and instability in Papau New Guinee

[SoothSayer]

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[Rincewind]

Anotheer way of loking at this is analysing Energy consumption per capita for developed and developing nations.

I have not looked at the data recently so I apologise if I misremember, but I think that Energy Consumption per capita globally peaked in the 1970s/80s. Now the decline could be due to improved energy efficiency or it could be due to pop growing faster than energy production (probably a bit of both).

If it is that pop is growing faster then the interesting question is how is energy consumption distributed between rich and poor countries?

Economics would seem to tell us that in times of increasing scarcity those with lower WTP (this concept includes ability to pay) will reduce demand first.

Rincewind

[EnergyDigger]

I have lived and worked in every country you mention and I have seen vast expansions in energy usage in all of them !

[eXpat]

Hi there
I'm new in the forum so go easy with my boys
Now to my experience, I have lived 3 years in South of Brasil, (1982-1985) and later on 12 years in Argentina, I went holidays there this year and definitely there is a power down, you can see that in small cities as well as in the countryside, the consuption of oil is much reduced (diesel is fact is being directed exclusively to tractors and farming, an increase in oil of the sugar cane for scooters and more use of bicicles for short distances (you can see people that work as a handyman carrying sometimes an impresive pile of boxes of tools in a bicicle).
I remember that already in the 80's you could see in Brazil in the petrolstations that it was on sale sugarcane fuel for scooters. There is too there a political political phenomenon going on in Argentina after the crisis of 2001, that is that when a group of people, (lets say doctors, nurses, teachers, etc) is protesting for something (pay rises, better conditions) they go at cut the trafic in the national roads. That has forced everywhere to people to go local and not to depend to much on commodities.

[lotrfan55345]

Thailand and Phillippines in a "powerdown"?!

These countries experienced their greatest economic growth since the Asian Financial crisis in 2005... looking at their capital cities with all the new shiny skyscrapers going up, it doesn't look to be powering down.

Measure being taken in those countries are not inforced, and even if they are, they wouln't do any significant change...