[PolestaR]

Such as the people in power, and behind the scenes. Why was there no "save oil" programs not exactly labelled as such, introduced?

If I was an all knowing "major government" and knew peak oil and all its concerns, I would be trying to ensure we save as much of it as possible. Yet they let the suburbs expand further out, not substantially increase rail connectivity and throughput etc.

So I put it forward that even if someone in power in the USA "knew" about peakoil, they didn't do anything about it because they didn't care or didn't think it was that important. So stop with the conspiracies about USA "KNOWING and IMPLEMENTING" peak oil strategies from the 70s

[Ancien_Opus]

Tonight I want to have an unpleasant talk with you about a problem unprecedented in our history. With the exception of preventing war, this is the greatest challenge our country will face during our lifetimes. The energy crisis has not yet overwhelmed us, but it will if we do not act quickly.

... Jimmy Carter 1977 link follows:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/fil ... nergy.html

"I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait 'til oil and coal run out before we tackle that.
-Thomas Edison in conversation with Henry Ford and Harvey Firestone

[PolestaR]

How does this not prove my point? People knew about peak oil, I put the "knew" in brackets. They knew about it, but haven't done anything.

People put forwards conspiracies like "USA knew about peak oil in the 70s that's why they are in the middle east" and etc. For a country who knows about such a massive problem and continues to increase demand in very stupid manners, without preparing and implementing nation wide conservations, it seems quite possible that they didn't care about it. Regardless of what one president said about oil and it running out.

[Daculling]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'S')o stop with the conspiracies about USA "KNOWING and not IMPLEMENTING" peak oil strategies from the 70s

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'S')o stop with the conspiracies about USA "KNOWING and not IMPLEMENTING" peak oil strategies from the 70s

[lateStarter]

PolestaR,

Are you just confused about this, or are you trying to make a point? At first, I thought you were dumbfounded that somebody actually knew about this precarious situation but didn't do anything to prepare for it. But from your responses, I'm not sure that my initial assumption was correct. Please enlighten us...

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', 'P')olestaR,

Are you just confused about this, or are you trying to make a point? At first, I thought you were dumbfounded that somebody actually knew about this precarious situation but didn't do anything to prepare for it. But from your responses, I'm not sure that my initial assumption was correct. Please enlighten us...

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '
')blah blah blah

[lateStarter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', 'P')olestaR,

Are you just confused about this, or are you trying to make a point? At first, I thought you were dumbfounded that somebody actually knew about this precarious situation but didn't do anything to prepare for it. But from your responses, I'm not sure that my initial assumption was correct. Please enlighten us...

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '
')blah blah blah

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', 'A')ctually, English is my first language. Your initial post was somewhat disjointed (or perhaps I have had too much vodka tonight). I personally don't think the gov't does any planning beyond today, maybe tomorrow at best.

I was with you up to the last sentence. What do the skeptics who believe in the conspiracy theories think the gov't has been doing for the past 30 years? Are you talking about planned collapse? If so, that would be harder to accept than their apparent inabilty to plan for the eventuality of PO. Regards...

[lateStarter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')uch as the people in power, and behind the scenes. Why was there no "save oil" programs not exactly labelled as such, introduced?

If I was an all knowing "major government" and knew peak oil and all its concerns, I would be trying to ensure we save as much of it as possible. Yet they let the suburbs expand further out, not substantially increase rail connectivity and throughput etc

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '
')Your opinion on the government is different than the one of the people I am trying to reach. I know reading comprehension isn't very big where you come from (sorry just an inference) but before replying you could just take a moment or two and read what has been said, if not for a second time.

[Ancien_Opus]

Plan - go to war, get more oil.

From 3 Days of the Condor - CIA Chief replies:

"Not now then when! Ask 'em when they're running out. Ask 'em when there's no heat in their homes and they're cold. Ask 'em when their engines stop. Ask 'em when people who have never known hunger start going hungry. You wanna know something? They won't want us to ask 'em. They'll just want us to get it for 'em!"

Life imitating art imitating Life.

[lateStarter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', 'A')ctually, English is my first language. Your initial post was somewhat disjointed (or perhaps I have had too much vodka tonight). I personally don't think the gov't does any planning beyond today, maybe tomorrow at best.

I was with you up to the last sentence. What do the skeptics who believe in the conspiracy theories think the gov't has been doing for the past 30 years? Are you talking about planned collapse? If so, that would be harder to accept than their apparent inabilty to plan for the eventuality of PO. Regards...

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'S')uch as the people in power, and behind the scenes. Why was there no "save oil" programs not exactly labelled as such, introduced?

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', 'A')ctually, English is my first language. Your initial post was somewhat disjointed (or perhaps I have had too much vodka tonight). I personally don't think the gov't does any planning beyond today, maybe tomorrow at best.

I was with you up to the last sentence. What do the skeptics who believe in the conspiracy theories think the gov't has been doing for the past 30 years? Are you talking about planned collapse? If so, that would be harder to accept than their apparent inabilty to plan for the eventuality of PO. Regards...

[Daculling]

Maybe Polestar is talking about the PNAC documents from the 90's?

[lateStarter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', 'M')aybe Polestar is talking about the PNAC documents from the 90's?

[backstop]

Polestar -

your strawman of the supposed 30 year conspiracy to position the US for Peak Oil is an interesting one, but not one I've come across on this or any other site.

If I've missed it, perhaps you can identify its proponents on the site as I'd be glad to read their rationale.

Personally I'd say that the reverse conspiracy, if you can call it that, is rather more likely, that is an intentional strategy of ignoring all evidence from Hubbert onward, plus all evidence of Global Warming, on grounds that they could seriously interfere with vested oil interests.

Reagan's primary remark on entering the White House is relevant here :

"And get those things off the roof . . . "

He was referring to the solar panels President Carter had installed.


regards,

Backstop