[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bill Hicks', 'A')s an American, I would actually be careful about going ANYWHERE abroad. When TSHTF, and the American military is no longer holding its big stick over the rest of the world, Americans are likely to be none too popular, even those of us who opposed all the military insanity after 9/11. It would be especially bad if you move to a non-English speaking country and don't know the local language. You might as well paint a bulls eye right on your back.
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[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'I') wouldn't for example recommend anyone to emigrate to Latin America unless you speak very very good Spanish.

[Bill Hicks]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bill Hicks', 'A')s an American, I would actually be careful about going ANYWHERE abroad. When TSHTF, and the American military is no longer holding its big stick over the rest of the world, Americans are likely to be none too popular, even those of us who opposed all the military insanity after 9/11. It would be especially bad if you move to a non-English speaking country and don't know the local language. You might as well paint a bulls eye right on your back.
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[ki11ercane]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', 'I')m staying put, all my family and friends live in my area. My parents are getting close to 80 and I couldn't leave them. One thing we do have going for us is my family own's a small cabin on a lake about 50 miles from where we all live so if things go south fast we would pack up and head up there. I think your best to stay put and get as prepared as you can for whatever happens. Unless you have a lot of money like SeaGypsy mentioned. You could buy an Island in Canada and setup your doomstead but unless I hit the lottery thats not going to happen.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'I') wouldn't for example recommend anyone to emigrate to Latin America unless you speak very very good Spanish.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bill Hicks', '
')Actually, I think I am very much on the mark when it come to evaluating how well ANY society treats outsiders at a time of severe economic distress. Muslims in America, for example, are probably not going to fare very well either. You may deplore the fact, but that's human nature.

If you are not native to whatever community you are living in when TSTF, you better hope that you have integrated well enough with the locals that they will accept you as having enough value to the community to be worth the food you consume. That will be equally true for an American or for anyone else.

[stephankrasner]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '
')Here is an example from my past week here. I need a big industrial table saw to cut 6x6 blocks of timber we cut from trees on our land. I rented a portable saw mill this past year that we had to drag up the mountain but now I want my own big table saw for the remaining structures we plan on building. So I looked at big industrial table saws for cutting big blocks that run around $ 5,000.00. It turned out the local wood shop showed me the solution. The local metal machinist is preparing the axle with threaded end along with the bearings. Cost = $ 180.00. A 3.5 HP motor costs $ 300.00. Pullies and fanbelt under $ 50.00 We are having the table made of stout wood 4x4 harvested from our forest and the table top of a 16 caliber sheet metal with guide. The whole cost will run me under $ 600.00 with the 18 inch cutting blade. These are the resources still available locally in this village where I live.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bill Hicks', ' ') Muslims in America, for example, are probably not going to fare very well either. You may deplore the fact, but that's human nature.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stephankrasner', '
')I have thought many times about emigrating to another country. But I think it will not be much better in other countries versus the U.S.. One reason often noted on this board is that the arable land here is some of the best in the world and there's lots of it. Gardening is also the biggest hobby in the United States, I don't think it would take much to push people to rip up their azaleas in exchange for a small vegetable garden and a chicken coop. Secondly, we in the United States reside in a relatively sparsely populated continent compared with Asia and Europe. A financial crisis would make things more dangerous for a while, but ultimately I doubt things would remain permanently chaotic, nor do I think that the United states govt. is going anywhere. I also believe strongly that people in the United States have the will power necessary to make changes in society when they are needed.

[Bill Hicks]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bill Hicks', '
')You would probably put a Canadian flag on your back pack if you went travelling abroad afraid to acknowledge your country of origin feeling locals would treat your aggressively.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bill Hicks', '
')Very soon, however, that will no longer be the case anywhere.

[Bill Hicks]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bill Hicks', '
')I will listen to your response but I will go out on the limb and gently accuse you of holding your point of view because of your own doubts in your ability of thriving resourcefully in these most challenging of times?

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bill Hicks', '
')The overwhelming majority of Americans will be completely helpless to help themselves when the government is no longer there to support them. To think that they are all going to shuffle off quietly into the good night is naive. I don't relish saying that, I just prefer to deal with the world as it really is rather than how I would like it to be.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'r')e your table saw
How many towns in the US could provide the local shops to help you put together an industrial grade table saw at this price????

[AgentR11]

To the direct question of the thread; nah, too many generations of redneck and coonass in me. Stick an education on me, a fancy suit, or a nice watch... I still gotta be who I be. Without the heat, mosquitoes, pine trees, marshes, swamps, muddy rivers, oyster choked bays, alligators, gar, delicious trout and redfish, crappie and catfish, exciting bass of all stripes, deer smaller than poodles, and dogs as big as horses, where the civility of the city doesn't look outward to oppress the freedom of the hicks... I'd just not feel at home any place else.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '
')What is also true, is that Americans do not prefer doing it that way; they *like* to go to Home Depot, buy the big cardboard box, open it, and use it.
And I'm as guilty of this as any, even with stuff near my specialty, and for now, it makes sense. Economy as it is says I should do job A, and use the proceeds to buy finished products that I need from big warehouse stores and remote suppliers.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'T')o the direct question of the thread; nah, too many generations of redneck and coonass in me. Stick an education on me, a fancy suit, or a nice watch... I still gotta be who I be. Without the heat, mosquitoes, pine trees, marshes, swamps, muddy rivers, oyster choked bays, alligators, gar, delicious trout and redfish, crappie and catfish, exciting bass of all stripes, deer smaller than poodles, and dogs as big as horses, where the civility of the city doesn't look outward to oppress the freedom of the hicks... I'd just not feel at home any place else.

[Bill Hicks]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bill Hicks', '
')I have been 4 hours at an airport because of delayed flight that is about to leave.......which is why I had time to post.....maybe I will check in again sometime up ahead.

Cheers

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bill Hicks', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bill Hicks', '
')I have been 4 hours at an airport because of delayed flight that is about to leave.......which is why I had time to post.....maybe I will check in again sometime up ahead.

Cheers

[RedStateGreen]

I've heard good things about Panama and Chile, especially Chile, who's actively recruiting foreign business. I have close family in Bolivia, though, so that would be a likely place if I absolutely had to leave the country. (slightly off topic: can one drive across the Panama canal?)

Or if it only got crazy here, I have family in California and in Louisiana, and acquaintances all over the world, so I'd have somewhere to go eventually.