I'm extra smart. Shouldn't I pass on my genes?

by **BrownDog** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 01:46:59

At least you have a sense of humor, stupid_monkeys.

by **k_semler** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 01:54:40

The day I reproduce is the day aliens come from Uranus, remove live sperm from my testicals, and inject it into a female recipiant that is a 10 on a scale of 10 of sexyness. Considering there has only been one woman I ever knew that was that hot, I wouldn't count on it anytime soon. God/Evolution/Sex Impulse sure isn't doing it now, and I highly doubt it ever will. I might as well count on Alien intervention sooner than counting on someone actually finding me attractive. (That ain't ever gonna happen).

by **turmoil** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 01:59:19

"Laughter is the best medicine." - Someone

As for me, the irony of humor and the beauty of music is why life is worth living.

It's unfortunate that both require the pain of the human condition.

by **MonteQuest** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 03:05:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('linlithgowoil', 'i') dont trust people who dont want children. i also dont trust people who support population control, because its always 'somebody else' that has to die, rather than them. i think these kind of people always envision other people dying and making sacrifices, but, of course, they'd be alive and well to enjoy the less crowded world.

by **linlithgowoil** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 05:43:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t´s a given that the vast majority of folks are like BrownDog and that blowhard Linlithgowoil; that the next best thing to immortality is to have offspring. And the more, the better.

by **Kickinthegob** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 06:06:30

stupid_monkeys wrote:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ll i'm asking is if you are convincing people not to breed (or at least control population) how would you do it?

by **The_Virginian** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 06:41:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ll i'm asking is if you are convincing people not to breed (or at least control population) how would you do it?

by **Madpaddy** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 06:57:13

Lin wrote,
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')opulation control is always advocated by people who loathe children because they can't be arsed looking after them. In my experience, those who chose not to have children did it because they simply wanted to spend 100% of their time 'enjoying life', and didn't want it spoiled by having to take the time to look after someone else.

Their decision is NEVER to do with 'preserving the world for future generations' - dont make me laugh. Someone who does not want to continue their family by having children obviously has no interest in the future of humanity at all.

by **Liamj** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 07:23:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('linlithgowoil', '
')No idea where you got the immortality part. I said i dont approve of population control. Population control is always advocated by people who loathe children because they can't be arsed looking after them. In my experience, those who chose not to have children did it because they simply wanted to spend 100% of their time 'enjoying life', and didn't want it spoiled by having to take the time to look after someone else.

Their decision is NEVER to do with 'preserving the world for future generations' - dont make me laugh. Someone who does not want to continue their family by having children obviously has no interest in the future of humanity at all.

Do a survey of people with no children. I can guarantee they place money and material possesions very high on their list of priorities - i would very much doubt they care about the quality of life of a future person living in 2050 - much like everyone else.

Do you really want to live in a world full of old bastards clinging on to life who are miserable because they decided not to have children but then realised having children is one of the greatest gifts and priviliges you can have?

Also - who is going to look after all these old bastards when they are old? Answer - OTHER PEOPLE'S CHILDREN. And, you old bastards will PAY them to look after you, when you could have been looked after for free by your own children, and experienced a loving relationship at the same time.

by **killJOY** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 09:02:31

linlithgowoil claims to NOT TRUST PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T HAD CHILDREN, so that means he must HATE ALL THE POPES AND PRIESTS IN HISTORY (aside from those who are not pederasts).

linlithgowoil tries to come off as a self-less, generous parent concerned about the future of humanity, but let's look at what the bastard really says:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('linlithgowoil', 'i')m afraid that by implementing population control etc. and policies like it, you are becoming non-human and treating people as nothing but animals who consume resources.

its not nice. i say bring on the crash and everything will take care of itself

by **sklump** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 09:12:48

Reminder: there is no shortage of people. With 6.5 billion of us, we can now leave parenting to those who really, really want to do it.

I look at small children now with pity. Most of them are goners. Anyone having children now, I'm sorry but I think you are living in denial. There will be all kinds of children to adopt, from your own back yard, within 10-15 years, if we're lucky.

I've got my surgery done: with expensive energy, it will become an option for the rich. Do it now. If we're all wrong and our way of life continues, you can get it reversed. If it doesn't, and you can't, you'll be glad you did it when you did.

by **Doly** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 09:20:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sklump', '
')I've got my surgery done: with expensive energy, it will become an option for the rich. Do it now. If we're all wrong and our way of life continues, you can get it reversed. If it doesn't, and you can't, you'll be glad you did it when you did.

by **sklump** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 13:08:35

The Essure (aka STOP) process takes 15 minutes on local anasthetic. You don't need to get a hysterectomy or even a tubal anymore.

I wouldn't be surprised if it weren't well-known in the USA. It was invented in Australia and it's available in Canada and parts of Europe. But the Republicans don't generally make birth control more available.

Complications? I've know dozens of sterilized people. I've never heard of anyone's complications. Fundies try to scare people, and abstinence education is a big hit down Stateside, but it's ridiculous.

Complications? How about twins from a mystery-rapist father that the cops won't have time to investigate? That's complications.

Admittedly, reversibility is not really an option for women.

by **SpaciousDreamer** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 16:13:26

Essure is an interesting new sterilization procedure that implants small springs into a woman's fallopian tubes and allows scar tissue to grow, effectivley blocking the tube. I plan to get one as soon as I can.

As is true for all sterilization procedures, there is less risk of complication than typically results from pregnancy. In a posk-peak world with less access to medical care (and BC), pregnancy will again become an enormous health risk and a lot of women could die in childbirth as was common throughout history. But please, don't go into a vasectomy or any procedure believing it to be reversible; while technically true, it is usually more expensive and not insured. Adopt instead.

I agree with sklump, I also feel sorry for many young kids I see, including my own cousins. There is indeed no shortage of people, so those who feel less inclined to parent should leave the experience to those who stongly desire it. I do not have maternal feelings, so why follow the LifeScript®? Just because everyone else pops out an infant, I should too? I am not a person prone to materialism or selfishness, indeed I feel forgoing reproduction is one of the greatest sacrifices one can make toward a sustainable future. I'd rather help people already alive than create more hungry mouths.

It's irresponsible to make generalizations about those who choose to breed or not. I see a lot of breeders buy tons of useless crap for their kids, PVC playgrounds and plastic disposable garbage, not to mention a mountain of Pampers and a HughJass van or SUV to haul kids around in...is that better or worse than the childfree person's jet travel and recyclable beer bottles? There are the rare parents who restrict TV and junk purchases, just as there are childfree people (like me) who don't buy anything they can make and make every effort to conserve resources. Materialism is bad for anyone, and so is debt. Kids drive up a lot of debt and by their nature are conformists: they want the cool toys and amusement park trips their friends get, and so nag parents to consume more.

Controlling population through education and health services is better than having mother nature do it for you.

by **gt1370a** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 19:35:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stupid_monkeys', '
')7. gt1370a - Can't afford it? Don't have the kids. Btw, this won’t work cause people are stupid and will have sex every night to pop one out, in hopes that it will survive the resource depletion problems of the 21st century.

by **threadbear** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 19:52:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', 'T')he day I reproduce is the day aliens come from Uranus, .

by **mgibbons19** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 19:53:14

I'll go on record with the prokids crowd. Not because we need more ppl. We certainly don't. But, nothing ties you into the future more than having a stake in it. This shit matters because my two girls have to grow up in it. And if TSHTF, I will ensure they survive.

And, those who advocate fewer or no children often come off as arrogant fucks who would be more than happy to impose their idea-logy on the rest of the world. Granted, they will tell you it's not ideology, but they are pretty certain they've seen the future, and they're ready to fix it for us (the "sheople"). Good thing we've got those guys think for us, since we're so stupid.

Jeez, listen to yourselves.

by **mgibbons19** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 19:56:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', 'T')he day I reproduce is the day aliens come from Uranus, .

by **The_Virginian** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 20:06:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') look at small children now with pity. Most of them are goners.

by **k_semler** » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 20:13:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', 'T')he day I reproduce is the day aliens come from Uranus, .

I'm extra smart. Shouldn't I pass on my genes?

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