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Re: I Love Peak Oil

Unread postby JPL » Fri 26 Oct 2007, 19:16:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '
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Ain't that the truth...

The X buys new tits and her hubby buys a new hog and they don't understand why my daughter broke down and cried at their dinner table last week over the cutting of trees in the rain forest.

I have to do double time just to smack down these retards.

Two words...soylent green


Yea, roc, you're right (sigh). I've planted a lot of trees in my time (fruit, nuts etc) & the thought that some-one is just going to yack them down in a few years time & stick them in some celluistic-retard plant because it was all 'some-one else's fault & they've got to get to work somehow' - depressing.

Ah well. I do meditation so (hopefully) death won't be as much of a barrier for me as it will be for other people (worst case scenario, that is). But I am concerned about the children. Oh dear...

BTW (total change of subject) has anyone pointed out to you that you are fast becoming the new MonteQuest? Just thought I'd mention that (grin)....
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Re: I Love Peak Oil

Unread postby roccman » Fri 26 Oct 2007, 19:25:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', ' ') has anyone pointed out to you that you are fast becoming the new MonteQuest? Just thought I'd mention that (grin)....


Funniest thing I have read all day!
"There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
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Re: I Love Peak Oil

Unread postby JPL » Fri 26 Oct 2007, 19:29:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', ' ') has anyone pointed out to you that you are fast becoming the new MonteQuest? Just thought I'd mention that (grin)....


Funniest thing I have read all day!


"...You shall ride a Camel, My Son..."

(grin)

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Re: I Love Peak Oil

Unread postby Triffin » Fri 26 Oct 2007, 19:41:13


"...You shall ride a Camel, My Son..."


Nope .. too late .. Monte just BBQed the last one ..

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Re: I Love Peak Oil

Unread postby roccman » Fri 26 Oct 2007, 19:41:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', ' ') has anyone pointed out to you that you are fast becoming the new MonteQuest? Just thought I'd mention that (grin)....


Funniest thing I have read all day!


"...You shall ride a Camel, My Son..."

(grin)

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Monte never had a son, but I bet he rode a camel...

Bwhahahahahahahhaahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha!
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Re: I Love Peak Oil

Unread postby Ferretlover » Fri 26 Oct 2007, 20:02:39

lol @ "I personally think mother-in-law would make good compost "

JP, we all have our "crosses to bear." My dear, sweet, wonderful, best parents-in-law in the world have a Major flaw: They are die-hard republicans. Have voted the straight republican ticket all their lives, and they think Bush&wife are wonderful! ....sigh...
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Re: I Love Peak Oil

Unread postby JPL » Fri 26 Oct 2007, 20:06:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '
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Monte never had a son, but I bet he rode a camel...

Bwhahahahahahahhaahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha!


He he (grin)...

Of course the Brits had a way around the problem (grin):

Image

Pin this one up on MQ's bedroom wall...

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Re: I Love Peak Oil

Unread postby seldom_seen » Fri 26 Oct 2007, 20:06:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', 'T')hose societies were ruled like a pack of animals, the strongest man was the leader. If you wanted to question that, you fought him, you did not debate him!

Where did you acquire your misunderstanding of hunter/gatherer societies? Watching cartoons?

Agricultural settlement and thus "civilization" is the exception, not the rule. Agricultural civilization makes up only an infintessimal blip in the timeline of homo sapiens on this planet. Only roughly the last 10,000 years.

Only a few generations back, your family was living like the Yanomamo, or the Xingu, the Haida, Tlingit and Aborigine, and for all of time before that. You, I, we just stepped out of the bush.
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Re: I Love Peak Oil

Unread postby JPL » Fri 26 Oct 2007, 20:16:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'l')ol @ "I personally think mother-in-law would make good compost "

JP, we all have our "crosses to bear." My dear, sweet, wonderful, best parents-in-law in the world have a Major flaw: They are die-hard republicans. Have voted the straight republican ticket all their lives, and they think Bush&wife are wonderful! ....sigh...


Aye, & they don't have our obsession with Oil prices - which probably gives them energy to do other, maybe more productive things.

Me, I've mainly been wandering around today and muttering '92'. As my wife KEEPS pointing out, we have to relocate soon & this kind of doomer talk isn't helping! Oh dear...

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Re: I Love Peak Oil

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 26 Oct 2007, 20:59:21

I'm actually starting to be able to talk freely about peak oil with my friends, thanks to a more outspoken friend who takes it so seriously she moved to a "bug out" location 120 miles from the city.


But my group of friends is pretty weird for these parts....
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Re: I Love Peak Oil

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 26 Oct 2007, 21:03:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', 'T')hose societies were ruled like a pack of animals, the strongest man was the leader. If you wanted to question that, you fought him, you did not debate him!

Where did you acquire your misunderstanding of hunter/gatherer societies? Watching cartoons?



Yeah, that's kind of the dumbest thing I've seen on po.com in awhile....


oh. my. god. 8O



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Re: I Love Peak Oil

Unread postby TheDude » Sat 27 Oct 2007, 03:05:45

DP!
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Re: I Love Peak Oil

Unread postby TheDude » Sat 27 Oct 2007, 03:06:00

Was it ever the case, though? I know enough about H/Gs to be aware that generalizations are ridiculous. I'd definitely not make one that sounds like a synopsis of the Flintstones. But - have there been H/G societies where leadership was established by being the baddest biggest boy?

Watch out for '92' JPL. We need a slogan, like "54-40 or Fight!" Anyone actively proselytizing?

I see your new user status is another Hawkwind song. Maybe someday I'll be Lord of Light.
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Re: I Love Peak Oil

Unread postby Ayame » Sat 27 Oct 2007, 04:49:20

As a woman I would not like to go back to H/G societies. Women were often treated as second class beings and mostly as cart horses/ trade objects. For the men it was ok - if you survived the average 30% violent death ratio for males.

Not that agricultural socities are any better: regular mass famine and epidemcis. Greater social inequity.
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Re: I Love Peak Oil

Unread postby Ayame » Sat 27 Oct 2007, 04:51:07

edit - double post thanks to zonealarm grrr
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Re: I Love Peak Oil

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 27 Oct 2007, 10:29:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', 'A')s a woman I would not like to go back to H/G societies. Women were often treated as second class beings and mostly as cart horses/ trade objects. For the men it was ok - if you survived the average 30% violent death ratio for males.

Not that agricultural socities are any better: regular mass famine and epidemcis. Greater social inequity.




Don't worry, you probably won't have to "go back" to HG societies. But we might want to consider egalitarian or non-hierarchical societies, the tribal social organization, as it is more diverse, thus more adaptable.


I don't advocate "going back" to anything, personally.
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Re: I Love Peak Oil

Unread postby underdressed » Sat 27 Oct 2007, 17:25:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', 'A')s a woman I would not like to go back to H/G societies. Women were often treated as second class beings and mostly as cart horses/ trade objects. For the men it was ok - if you survived the average 30% violent death ratio for males.

Not that agricultural socities are any better: regular mass famine and epidemcis. Greater social inequity.


Actually, it appears that it was the agricultural revolution which lead to the disparity in power between genders (in some, not all, societies).

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I'd say that I love peak oil, it's just that I'm not in love with peak oil. I'm hoping we can stay friends.
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Re: I Love Peak Oil

Unread postby MrBean » Sun 28 Oct 2007, 07:29:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', '
')1) Are you suggesting it is possible to back to hunter gatherer existence with the knowledge we have acquired?


I see no allternative. But I don't see that as going back, but a process of multiple generations, prosess of participating in spiritual evolution of the Kosmos.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')2) Those societies were ruled like a pack of animals, the strongest man was the leader. If you wanted to question that, you fought him, you did not debate him! Harmony with nature is a very violent existence. There is no helping the sick and weak, only getting rid of them. Most people couldn’t make it in the Marines let alone a survival of the fittest lifestyle. I think that most here would prefer our current lifestyle over that because most people are weak and they would not have survived without civilization.


That is very ignorant view, a projection of "civilization's" inherent tendency to violence and hierarchic thinking, creating a a charicature of "primitive" man as a violent brute (to justify the imperialistic need to "civilize" him).

E.g Nordic shamanistic - few of them still around even today - tribes rely on their shamans for the livelihood of the tribe, and in these tribal languages there is not even a word for war. Shamans - often bodily weak - channel their "inner violence" into fighting diseases to cure people and servitude of the good of the whole tribe. The kind of harmony with nature these tribes live in is of course unimaginable for the modern "civilized" man (who sees nature as nothing but an object to rob) and we tend to call it magical. They consider their way of life just natural, and see the "civilized" way of life as alianation from nature wich leads to severe collective insanity, violent and self-destructive.

I would say the empirical evidence of Peak Oil and other things proves them right and us the insanely violent ones.
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Re: I Love Peak Oil

Unread postby MrBean » Sun 28 Oct 2007, 07:43:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', '
')I have three young children & I have taken great pains to educate them fully on Climate Change & its implications. (Peak Oil would be a step to far IMHO so I don't talk to them about that - yet).

The main problem is, it is very difficult to tell your kids one thing, when their teachers, their peer group & elder relatives are telling them something different. Like the fact that my mother-in-law recently bought 'the girls' plane tickets to go and see some crap ballet-show a thousand miles away & the grounds being that I wasn't looking after their 'cultural education' (whatever that is!).



Yeah, tell me (father of two) about it. First, start learning yourself - urbanite dweller without any needed practical skills - after getting the emotional and theoretical alianation from modern culture to some tolerable level, then try to get the wife to see what you see (lot of unavoidable cruelty involved), then, if you even get that far without a divorce, as a family start planning on how to move to a village, a kind of village that it takes to raise children in the right direction.

But any case, better to try and have something meaningfull to do rather than just getting mortally depressed.
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Re: I Love Peak Oil

Unread postby JPL » Sun 28 Oct 2007, 18:05:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', '
')I see your new user status is another Hawkwind song. Maybe someday I'll be Lord of Light.


Yea I have no idea why this keeps happening. Most odd (pleuggh...)

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