Excessive germ-killing in the home with clorox and other products is actually counterproductive. Specific germicides create stronger strains of bacteria. Clorox is just plain toxic, nasty stuff. Hot water and soap is better.
I agree with smallpoxgirl, the healthy body is one which is frequently exposed to pathogens and so builds up a sturdy immune system. Germs are good for our health!
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Re: Flu shots... yes/no?
by TITAN » Thu 12 Oct 2006, 20:07:33
Being in the military, I don't have a choice...
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Re: Flu shots... yes/no?
by ClassicSpiderman » Fri 13 Oct 2006, 16:06:42
I constantly refuse flu shots. It seems that my co-workers (who are avid flu shot takers) are constantly fighting off colds and flus every 3-4 weeks, even in the warm summer time.
The last time I had a cold was in December and it lasted two weeks. Normally, I take a lot of vitamins and constantly wash out phlegm with Listerine, but I was staying at a house with several chain smokers living in it, which doubled by recovery time.
The last time I had a cold was in December and it lasted two weeks. Normally, I take a lot of vitamins and constantly wash out phlegm with Listerine, but I was staying at a house with several chain smokers living in it, which doubled by recovery time.
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Re: Flu shots... yes/no?
by smallpoxgirl » Fri 13 Oct 2006, 18:11:32
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'A')re you of that opinion that in most cases a healthy body is more adaptable w/o chemistry? Do we sometimes loose our immunity and constitution's effectivenes with modern medicine?
There is an old saying that surgeons have "The enemy of 'good'...is 'better' ". I think that modern medicine is very powerful stuff. It also carries a lot of risks. I've seen published estimates that something like 10% of people will have an adverse reaction from any medicine that a doctor prescribes.
I think there is a balance to be struck. If you are the kind of person that is frequently in the doctors office complaining about things, sooner or later you are going to get unneccessary tests or treatments and you will have a complication from them. The other end of the spectrum is the person that doesn't show up for their pap smear for 10 years which isn't good either. In general I think it is smart to err on the side of avoiding doctors and really understanding the risks and potential benefits for any test or treatment that is offered.
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Re: Flu shots... yes/no?
by evilmonkeyspanker » Sat 14 Oct 2006, 00:32:21
No way man, like they are totally including little nanobots in the vaccines, and then here in two years when Bush goes all martial law on us and becomes dictator these little nanobots will activate and carry out thier primary function and rewrite our neuro connections causing us to see George Bush as the second coming and we will worship him like a God.
Why do you thing that Bush Co created the avian flu. They were planning on making everyone think they needed the flu shot, so they could load us up with these nanobot infested egg juice cures. Fortunatly the virus didn't not become as active as originally intended.
So sayth the 12th monkey
Why do you thing that Bush Co created the avian flu. They were planning on making everyone think they needed the flu shot, so they could load us up with these nanobot infested egg juice cures. Fortunatly the virus didn't not become as active as originally intended.
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Re: Flu shots... yes/no?
by gego » Sat 14 Oct 2006, 14:26:48
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A friend of mine has reported heating himself up with a very warm sleeping bag and it works quickly. I havent tried it though
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A friend of mine has reported heating himself up with a very warm sleeping bag and it works quickly. I havent tried it though
That sounds like it would work well also. When I was a kid the traditional cure for flu was to bundle up, drink plenty of fluid and go to bed, so the folk lore matched the fact that virus are heat sensitive.
There are some people who claim that aspirin was a factor in the flu pandemic of the early 1900's. Apparently it was relatively new at that time and did work for headaches. Unfortunately aspirin lower the body's temperature so it disconnected the normal response of the body to fight virus with fever. I do not know if that is true or not, but I personally avoid all the fever reducing over the counter medications.
Certainly if you were to try the hot bath, sauna, sleeping bag, bundle up approach you would not want to take any fever reducing medications like aspirin as it would be counterproductive.
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Re: Flu shots... yes/no?
by gego » Sat 14 Oct 2006, 14:41:15
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I think there is a balance to be struck. If you are the kind of person that is frequently in the doctors office complaining about things, sooner or later you are going to get unneccessary tests or treatments and you will have a complication from them. The other end of the spectrum is the person that doesn't show up for their pap smear for 10 years which isn't good either. In general I think it is smart to err on the side of avoiding doctors and really understanding the risks and potential benefits for any test or treatment that is offered.
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I think there is a balance to be struck. If you are the kind of person that is frequently in the doctors office complaining about things, sooner or later you are going to get unneccessary tests or treatments and you will have a complication from them. The other end of the spectrum is the person that doesn't show up for their pap smear for 10 years which isn't good either. In general I think it is smart to err on the side of avoiding doctors and really understanding the risks and potential benefits for any test or treatment that is offered.
My predisposition is to avoid. In the last 40 years I doubt that I have been in a doctors office more than 4 times.
I think that injuries and infections can effectively be dealt with by modern medicine, but most of the degenerative diseases are out of their area of competence.
Cardiovascular disease is mostly lifestyle induced, and if the damage is not already too extensive then change in lifestyle is the cure. It it too far advanced modern medicine is not going to help much other than to help with a more comfortable death. Cancer is in this same category and can be alternatively treated with better results than the poison, cut and burn approach of modern medicine. Most of the ache and pain diseases of old age also are dietary in nature.
Placing one's life in the hands of modern medicine is just another reflection of the passivity of our society, where instead of taking care of one's self, we ask to be taken care of by those primarily motivated by profiting from our disease rather than from our good health.
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Re: Flu shots... yes/no?
by NEOPO » Sat 14 Oct 2006, 14:53:42
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilmonkeyspanker', 'N')o way man, like they are totally including little nanobots in the vaccines, and then here in two years when Bush goes all martial law on us and becomes dictator these little nanobots will activate and carry out thier primary function and rewrite our neuro connections causing us to see George Bush as the second coming and we will worship him like a God.
Why do you thing that Bush Co created the avian flu. They were planning on making everyone think they needed the flu shot, so they could load us up with these nanobot infested egg juice cures. Fortunatly the virus didn't not become as active as originally intended.
So sayth the 12th monkey
Why do you thing that Bush Co created the avian flu. They were planning on making everyone think they needed the flu shot, so they could load us up with these nanobot infested egg juice cures. Fortunatly the virus didn't not become as active as originally intended.
So sayth the 12th monkey
Why do you want people like me to be more paranoid then we already are!!
and stop giving the neocons ideas!!
Oh no - this explains many things - its already happening!! grey goo !! run!!
I think SPG is correct and that we are effectively weakening the human immune system.
Yes go get yer shots and when you cant have one - die.
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