[AndyA]

It is airborne for up to 3 hrs, it has a half life while in water droplets. Which explains why nurses are getting it, I imagine they were as cautious as possible, but without a proper respirator, you shouldn't be getting close to infected people. Dust masks wont do diddly shit. Which is why passengers aboard the flightS with the sick nurse are required to report to the CDC. I'm not sure what the actual definition of airborne is, but this virus can easily travel through the air. It is also quite happy inside the lungs, so it's there getting breathed out amongst the water vapour you breath out.

The reason they say it isn't airborne is because it doesn't have it's own protective layer, so it can't survive without moisture.

If current rates continue we have about 18 months left before everyone has been exposed. Good luck.

[vtsnowedin]

Late breaking news tonight. Nurse number two called the CDC and reported her rising body temp and was given the green light to fly. (MSNBC)
Unbelievable!!!

[ROCKMAN]

The Ebola hype by the MSM and politicians of both parties is truly becoming comical IMHO. So far one person from Africa has died from the disease and no one from the US has died. Two people in the US have gotten the Ebola bug. The flu, OTOH, is spread much easier the Ebola with the CDC estimating millions in the US which catch one of the flu bug this season with upwards of 30,000 dying Including hundreds of children. Just during the period of the great "Texas Ebola outbreak" about 20 have died in the state including a 13 yo girl.

So how many national news stories have you seen about the great "Texas flu outbreak"? How many congress critters have offered the possibility of flu infected ISIS terrorists sneaking across our borders and sneezing on our defenseless citizens? One more question: how many flu infected children and elderly have been flown to Atlanta for specialized treatment?

[AndyA]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'L')ate breaking news tonight. Nurse number two called the CDC and reported her rising body temp and was given the green light to fly. (MSNBC)
Unbelievable!!!

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AndyA', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'L')ate breaking news tonight. Nurse number two called the CDC and reported her rising body temp and was given the green light to fly. (MSNBC)
Unbelievable!!!

[vtsnowedin]

The people that are concerned about ebola in America are not worried about the first cases we have today. They are worried about the cases we might have after twenty, twenty day doubling times. Two cases today could on that timeline be 1,048,576 cases in 400 days. It will be a lot easier to get on top of the situation now and stop that progression early rather then wait until we have 500 or a 1000 cases and then might not be able to contain it. I'm only worried about it when I see or hear officials in charge fail to take effective action to stop this spread.
If your worried about the flu get a flue shot. That is something positive you can do about the flu. The only thing we can do about ebola is isolate it and prevent it's transmission onto it's next victims.

[Pops]

So far the 2 secondary infections here are both people who had contact with a hospitalized - very sick - person. Not people on the plane, not pedstrians happening by, not friends or even family in the same apartment.

[WildRose]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'S')o far the 2 secondary infections here are both people who had contact with a hospitalized - very sick - person. Not people on the plane, not pedstrians happening by, not friends or even family in the same apartment.

[ROCKMAN]

vt - "The only thing we can do about ebola is isolate it and prevent it's transmission onto it's next victims." True. But also true for influenza and yet not one MSM story about the need to isolate those infected folks. And while we don't know the future of Ebola in the US we do know many millions will be infected with the flu viruses with about 30,000 deaths in the next 12 months. And as you point out we have immunizations for the flu and not Ebola. It would make sense IMHO to take advantage of the current attention to infectious diseases at the moment and explain that some US citizens are 1000's of times more likely to die of the flu then from Ebola. Just think of the hundreds if not thousands of deaths that might be prevented if folks got serious about flu inoculations.

Maybe Dustin Hoffman can quickly knock off a movie showing a ward of flu victims, including babies and grandpa's, slowly wasting away.

[AndyA]

No, I think it's fair to call McCain a Neo Con, Freidien a Zionist etc. If he was not appointed for his competence, then why was he appointed? Or how do you explain such a seemingly incompetent person rising to the top of an organisation where everyone has a Phd at minimum?
These bastards only care about two things, power and money, this has nothing to do with religion. Zionism is not Judaism..

[Subjectivist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', 'v')t - "The only thing we can do about ebola is isolate it and prevent it's transmission onto it's next victims." True. But also true for influenza and yet not one MSM story about the need to isolate those infected folks. And while we don't know the future of Ebola in the US we do know many millions will be infected with the flu viruses with about 30,000 deaths in the next 12 months. And as you point out we have immunizations for the flu and not Ebola. It would make sense IMHO to take advantage of the current attention to infectious diseases at the moment and explain that some US citizens are 1000's of times more likely to die of the flu then from Ebola. Just think of the hundreds if not thousands of deaths that might be prevented if folks got serious about flu inoculations.

Maybe Dustin Hoffman can quickly knock off a movie showing a ward of flu victims, including babies and grandpa's, slowly wasting away.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AndyA', ' ')Freidien [sic] ..... If he was not appointed for his competence, then why was he appointed?

[Newfie]

Good news/ bad news.

Destroying or slowing consumption has benefits. Keeping the economy going BAU is not one of them.

This is a cunudrum we face with or without ebola. Ebola just forces the alternative upon us.

[Newfie]

It has always been so, some presidents are better than others.

I'm no Obama supporter, but to this is unique is a fiction.

Heck of a job there Brownie.

[Plantagenet]

Freiden is clearly not doing a good job. We've got two nurses infected with Ebola, and as many as 200 people who are being tracked because of potential exposures that occurred AFTER the Liberian guy was diagnosed with Ebola. The CDC's job is to prevent all of that from happening. The CDC is definitely not doing a good job.

The NY TIMES is reporting that the "ebola procedures" that the CDC distributed to US hospitals were woefully inadequate---in spite of the fact that the CDC had more than enough time to get ready---the epidemic started in Africa six months ago. How many times did Freiden (and obama) appear on TV to tell us that Ebola was unlikely to get to the US (wrong) and the US hospital system was ready and prepared for Ebola---even wronger. Even the CDC itself isn't prepared for Ebola ---- they are responsible for telling the second nurse that it was OK for her to travel by passenger jet AFTER she self-reported to them that she had a fever. That screwup put another 130 people on that plane at risk of contracting Ebola, and that doesn't count the thousands of people in the two airline terminals, some of whom may've come in contact with the nurse, or sat in a chair that she just vacated, or got sneezed on, etc.

Face facts----Obama appointed Freiden and Freiden doesn't seem to be up to the job. The last thing we want is more screwups by the CDC and more potential ebola infections in the US.


In my opinion Obama should fire Freiden and get someone competent in there --- just as he had to do in the VA mess after the political crony he put in office there also turned out to be a disaster.

[Graeme]

Flu is not an epidemic (CDC); ebola is (WHO).

How Are Nurses Becoming Infected With Ebola?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he World Health Organization (WHO), United States Centers for Disease Control (CDC), Australia and many countries recommend health workers treating Ebola wear surgical masks for protection, along with other personal protective equipment such gowns, gloves and goggles.

A glaring inconsistency of these guidelines is that lab scientists working with Ebola are recommended to use respirators, which offer more protection than surgical masks, while masks are deemed adequate for doctors and nurses at the front line. The hospital ward, however, is a far more contaminated and volatile environment than the sterile, highly controlled lab.

Nurses have the closest contact with patients, and deserve all available protection for their occupational health and safety. This means higher personal protective equipment, including respirators.


Ebola kills 50% to 90% of people who become infected, which is much higher than any other infection we are used to dealing with. The 2009 influenza pandemic killed less than 0.01% of those infected, and SARS killed 15%.

The price of getting it wrong with flu guidelines might be a week in bed, but for Ebola it is far more likely to be death. The risk analysis equation we need to use must consider not only the probability of Ebola turning up on our shores, but also the consequences.

Unprecedented epidemic
The current West African Ebola outbreak has caused more than 8000 cases and more than 4000 deaths, with the epicenter being Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia.


As the epidemic increases exponentially in West Africa there is a risk of imported cases occurring around the world. The first of these was in Dallas, Texas, but countries everywhere are on the alert for suspected cases.

Experts have estimated that the risk of a travel-related case being imported into Europe is up to 75% by the end of October.

This epidemic is unprecedented because:

It is the largest and longest in history;
It is the first time Ebola has occurred in more than one country simultaneously;
It is the first time Ebola has affected urban areas and capital cities; and
It is the first time Ebola has been transmitted from person to person outside of Africa.

Health authorities such as the US CDC are conveying certainty that Ebola cannot be transmitted by any means other than direct contact. But it’s a very poorly studied infection compared with other diseases and the sum of the evidence shows significant uncertainty around transmission.


While the predominant mode of transmission of Ebola is contact, some scientists believe it could also be spread by aerosols. Studies in monkeys (here, here, here and here) and pigs have demonstrated non-contact transmission of Ebola, which could be airborne or aerosol.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')hats how political appointments are made in the US. Sadly, much like the guy Obama appointed to be head of the VA system, Frieden has turned out to be dangerously incompetent.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he NY TIMES is reporting that the "ebola procedures" that the CDC distributed to US hospitals were woefully inadequate

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'L')ate breaking news tonight. Nurse number two called the CDC and reported her rising body temp and was given the green light to fly. (MSNBC)
Unbelievable!!!

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')img]http://cbswashington.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/457317190.jpg?w=620&h=349&crop=1[/img]

Alarm after vomiting passenger dies on flight from Nigeria to JFK

A plane from Nigeria landed at JFK Airport Thursday with a male passenger aboard who had died during the flight after a fit of vomiting — and CDC officials conducted a “cursory” exam before announcing there was no Ebola and turning the corpse over to Port Authority cops to remove, Rep. Peter King said on Thursday.
The congressman was so alarmed by the incident — and by what he and employees see as troubling Ebola vulnerabilities at JFK — that he fired off a letter to the federal Department of Homeland Security demanding more training and tougher protocols for handling possible cases there.

The unnamed, 63-year-old passenger had boarded an Arik Air plane out of Lagos, Nigeria, on Wednesday night, a federal law enforcement source said.

During the flight, the man had been vomiting in his seat, the source said. Some time before the plane landed, he passed away. Flight crew contacted the CDC, federal customs officials and Port Authority police, who all boarded the plane at around 6 a.m. as about 145 worried passengers remained on board, the source said.
http://nypost.com/2014/10/16/alarm-after-vomiting-passenger-dies-on-flight-from-nigeria-to-jfk/