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Re: Ebola possible outcomes?

Postby Sixstrings » Wed 15 Oct 2014, 13:16:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', 'S')ix: "It's all Obama's fault".
Sure, Six. I f you insist on being a simpleton while blaming all the failings of our bloated, hyper-complex disfuctional shit-pile of systems on a single person with limited powers and even less support from Congress, go ahead. I'm not defending Obama, but know better than to blame him for everything. Even the best President couldn't fix our totally FUBAR predicaments.


A President Sixtrings would have a way-cool Ebola Quarantine camp in Nevada set up, with a buffer zone and nobody in and nobody out and you can be damn sure that ebola wouldn't spread.

We've got the assets for it, ya know. The army has mobile hospitals. You can have all the assets in the world but it's useless without a leader though.

This White House is all political, everything a political calculation.

Obama actually does have the legal authority to respond to something like this.

What we needed in the WH was a good executive and someone that can run something and handle a problem -- that's not a college professor. :cry: Maybe Mitt Romney would have. A take charge President like old Lyndon Johnson would have, too. There's just no leadership in this White House -- the President hasn't even said anything about it!

This is worse than Katrina, a pandemic plague could kill half of all of us. It's very serious. So where has the president been on it, where is homeland security, where is FEMA.

What's up with this CDC -- all they do is send out pamphlets and host webinars on the internet, where the heck were they, why were they not on the ground in Dallas.
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Re: Ebola possible outcomes?

Postby Cid_Yama » Wed 15 Oct 2014, 13:18:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sixstrings', 'T')he president has emergency powers authority that can be activated in emergencies.


No he does not, per the Constitution. Only if you are proposing he declare Martial Law and suspend the Constitution.

A little education goes a long way. Turn off Fox. You know the saying, "Garbage In, Garbage Out".
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Re: Ebola possible outcomes?

Postby Sixstrings » Wed 15 Oct 2014, 13:21:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sixstrings', 'T')he president has emergency powers authority that can be activated in emergencies.


No he does not, per the Constitution. Only if you are proposing he declare Martial Law and suspend the Constitution.

A little education goes a long way. Turn off Fox. You know the saying, "Garbage In, Garbage Out".


I bet you weren't excusing Bush back in Katrina though, were you? With all due respect.

It's nonsense Cid, it just takes leadership -- the President doesn't actually have to declare martial law. He can just pick up a phone and on something like this, hospitals and governors would listen.

There was nobody fighting and stopping Bush from helping in Katrina, and there's nobody stopping Obama now -- he just isn't present, on the issue.

EDIT: by the way, when I see "he" I mean the white house. It's a lot of frickin' people. But passing the buck is supposed to stop at the top.

Ideally, a president should have a good chief of staff that will be aware when something is going haywire.

I know Obama can't be everywhere, but this is like Katrina all over again -- he's apparently in a bubble and not even watching any news at night and just doesn't know how messed up his own CDC is.

And just like Bush, nobody will tell him.

This is a presidential bubble problem here and it's not about R or D and it's happened again with Obama. Back in katrina, they finally had to sit Bush down and show him DVDs of news coverage just so he could realize what's going on.

I think a president should watch some news and be up on things and not just stay in a bubble, it's important, of all the people that have an opinion he's actually the one with the power. He's just not a good executive. He's not on top of things.
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Re: Ebola possible outcomes?

Postby basil_hayden » Wed 15 Oct 2014, 13:25:39

Six = moronic. Cid arguing with moronic on parliamentary procedures = more moronic. The Usual Suspects.

GHung - That's right on the money with the doffing the suit without bleach dips, once again moronic on Gupta's part. It's all about the prevention of cross-contamination at this point - hot zones, warm zones, cool zones and decontamination.

As far as Ebola, thanks to possible mutations definite lax control measures and stupid airplanes, it's already conceptually everywhere in the transportation system like norovirus and ocean cruise liners.

Parents will prevent kids from attending school within a week, maybe two, once this realization sets in, whether it is deemed necessary or not.
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Re: Ebola possible outcomes?

Postby Cid_Yama » Wed 15 Oct 2014, 13:31:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'H')e can just pick up a phone and on something like this, hospitals and governors would listen.


What makes you think he hasn't?

Are you attributing to him magical powers now? Pick up the phone and it all goes away?

Per the Constitution, any emergency action must be authorized by Congress, any emergency powers must be granted by Congress.
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Re: Ebola possible outcomes?

Postby Quinny » Wed 15 Oct 2014, 13:37:31

Cid - I wouldn't waste your energy 6 is beyond hope!
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Re: Ebola possible outcomes?

Postby Sixstrings » Wed 15 Oct 2014, 13:38:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'S')ix = moronic. Cid arguing with moronic on parliamentary procedures = more moronic. The Usual Suspects.


I'm confused, you saying we're both morons?

At least you know what you're talking about, rest of your post anyway, I'd rather see you in charge than that RIDICULOUS college administrator-esque director of the CDC.

Call me a moron if you want I just want this sh*t handled, ya know?

I was just watching a moderate Republican on CNN saying he was very disturbed to hear the CDC director just say they were finally sending a team to Dallas. He rightly points out what I did, where the hell were they to start with, why didn't they fly a team down to Dallas at the start of this! That CDC director will have to resign over this one. He'll be fine, he can go work for a university or corporation where he can't cause any damage. He was a political appointee, heckuva job Brownie all over again but pandemic is so much more serious than a hurricane.

Anyhow -- someone actually does need to watch these press conferences. To know what the hell is going on. I'm glad there's one person in Congress with common sense and caught that too, it's the same thing that made me go "wtf, what did he just say? They never even sent a team down there?"
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Re: Ebola possible outcomes?

Postby KingM » Wed 15 Oct 2014, 13:41:31

We live in a time of diaper-wetting caution. Nobody is going to want to be the person who wasn't cautious enough. If the government would show some leadership in establishing a system for dealing with this (and the single, isolated hospital in the desert isn't a bad idea), who would want to be the governor who said, "nah, we can easily handle Ebola on our own"?
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Re: Ebola possible outcomes?

Postby Sixstrings » Wed 15 Oct 2014, 13:44:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'C')id - I wouldn't waste your energy is beyond hope!


I don't believe Cid, and his parliamentary procedures argument.

If some of that is true then we need a martial-law lite -- just some common sense legislation that would authorize CDC to take charge of the initial stages of an outbreak.

It's just common sense, folks. Should be some way of handling this kind of thing without big dramatic "martial law." As a voter I definitely would want the federal gov on top of any kind of national emergency where red tape and bureaucracy and stupid "webinars" just result in doing nothing and it gets worse.

An emergency is an emergency, and needs quick action.

This pandemic crap is like one of the FEW things we actually need our federal gov to be handling. And they screwed it up. Thank God ebola isn't really airborne, yet.

It's just so outrageous! The damn thing is spreading because nobody will pick the dirty diapers out of a hospital room!
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Re: Ebola possible outcomes?

Postby Sixstrings » Wed 15 Oct 2014, 13:50:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KingM', 'W')e live in a time of diaper-wetting caution. Nobody is going to want to be the person who wasn't cautious enough. If the government would show some leadership in establishing a system for dealing with this (and the single, isolated hospital in the desert isn't a bad idea), who would want to be the governor who said, "nah, we can easily handle Ebola on our own"?


Exactly. Rick Perry never fought Obama on it -- Rick Perry wasn't even in Texas, he was doing 2016 exploratory speeches out of state, and they barely have any kind of health department, they wouldn't have said no to help.

THE FACT IS THAT HELP WAS NOT OFFERED!

It took Texas TEN DAYS to find a contractor that would take the job to clean that apartment.

You guys are telling me the CDC has no hazmat suit guys that could do that? We got no bioharzard corps in the army that could have done that?

You all really telling me there is nobody, except that little company "The Gleaning Guys." :?: :?:

It's ludicrous. Of course the CDC and homeland security could have been on top of this. Nobody in Dallas turned the CDC away -- the CDC just didn't bother to show up!

And PS it doesn't have to be a camp in Nevada. They could just fly them to Emory in Atlanta. Which they are FINALLY doing now. May be too late now though, they've already let it get out of hand in that hospital in Dallas.
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Re: Ebola possible outcomes?

Postby Sixstrings » Wed 15 Oct 2014, 13:56:12

I'm sorry I've gotten so bent out of shape, but there's a big problem here guys.

We have a CDC that just sends out pamphlets and hosts "webinars" on the internet, that overworked nurses have no time to watch anyway.

These were the INITIAL patient zero cases.

There is NO EXCUSE for not sending a CDC team down to Dallas.

It's ridiculous -- all these people just have endless meetings and webinars on the internet, somebody needed to get out of their office and off the internet and fly the f*ck down to Dallas and help those nurses out, and be on top of it and clean up the stupid dirty diapers and THAT is how you stop ebola for God sake.

And do it safely, and do it correctly -- these were the patient zero cases, there is no excuse for CDC being absent.

That director needs to lose his job over this, it's outrageous.
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Re: Ebola possible outcomes?

Postby Sixstrings » Wed 15 Oct 2014, 14:05:42

On the news now, another screwup, a patient being monitored for ebola was allowed to fly on a commercial flgiht.

So now the government says yes that was a screwup and won't happen again. Heckuva job!

Also, there are only 4 hospitals in the US certified to treat ebola. Emory is good but they only have 3 beds. There are a total of only NINETEEN beds in the US. That's it, 19.

So see, you do need that "camp in the desert." Obama admin should be on top of this and be ready. Army needs to be ready, they've got mobile hospitals. It sounds doomer but it would actually be smart -- army could set up a mobile hospital and camp that's totally isolated, on one of the military bases in Nevada. Have the military take over transport.

Make a STRICT quarantine. Somebody somewhere gets an ebola diagnosis, first in their city, then you fly them the f*ck out to that quarantine in Nevada or somewhere. That kind of policy could stop this thing (or a worse pandemic, in the future, you gotta stop it early and have solid quarantine).
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Re: Ebola possible outcomes?

Postby Sixstrings » Wed 15 Oct 2014, 14:25:19

From Tanada's article link:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')urses were forced to use medical tape to secure openings in their flimsy garments, worried that their necks and heads were exposed as they cared for a patient with explosive diarrhea and projectile vomiting, said Deborah Burger of National Nurses United.


Those poor nurses.

There was no CDC on the ground to help them. All the obama admin bureaucrats do is sit around having webinars on the internet and their endless meetings.

They're like university faculty, it's no kind of leadership.
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Re: Ebola possible outcomes?

Postby basil_hayden » Wed 15 Oct 2014, 15:01:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'S')ix = moronic. Cid arguing with moronic on parliamentary procedures = more moronic. The Usual Suspects.


I'm confused, you saying we're both morons?

Call me a moron if you want I just want this sh*t handled, ya know?



How perceptive of you.

What shit? Nothing gets handled until we're all in the boat together; this is the USA after all, get in line and stay to the right, thanks.
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Re: Ebola possible outcomes?

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 15 Oct 2014, 15:17:48

The Ebola crisis is starting to hurt the President's poll numbers.

No wonder Obama cancelled his fundraising trip and has been staging phony photo ops to make it look like he is working---his frequent golfing trips and fund-raising trips to meet his wealthy cronies raise questions about whether he is working full time on dealing with Ebola, ISIS, Putin, US job losses and wage declines, global economic slowdowns and other problems that are besetting his administration, or if he spends too much time laughing and boozing it up with his sycophants on the golf course, followed by too much time laughing and boozing it up with his obscenely wealthy donors at fundraisers.

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Re: Ebola possible outcomes?

Postby KingM » Wed 15 Oct 2014, 16:03:02

Turns out the latest Ebola flyer had a fever before she got on the plane. Unbelievably reckless behavior, given that she already knew her coworker had contracted Ebola. She should be arrested for that, assuming she recovers.
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Re: Ebola possible outcomes?

Postby vtsnowedin » Wed 15 Oct 2014, 16:31:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he Ebola crisis is starting to hurt the President's poll numbers.

No wonder Obama cancelled his fundraising trip and has been staging phony photo ops to make it look like he is working---his frequent golfing trips and fund-raising trips to meet his wealthy cronies raise questions about whether he is working full time on dealing with Ebola, ISIS, Putin, US job losses and wage declines, global economic slowdowns and other problems that are besetting his administration, or if he spends too much time laughing and boozing it up with his sycophants on the golf course, followed by too much time laughing and boozing it up with his obscenely wealthy donors at fundraisers.

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Re: Ebola possible outcomes?

Postby ritter » Wed 15 Oct 2014, 16:37:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KingM', 'T')urns out the latest Ebola flyer had a fever before she got on the plane. Unbelievably reckless behavior, given that she already knew her coworker had contracted Ebola. She should be arrested for that, assuming she recovers.



But the CDC says you're only infectious when the spewing starts. She's still technically following their protocols. :roll:
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Re: Ebola possible outcomes?

Postby Lore » Wed 15 Oct 2014, 17:31:34

Everybody knows only zombie bites are infectious. You can hack em, whack em, zombie blood and bial shooting everywhere all over you, no problem. I mean how different can Ebola be?
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Re: Ebola in town (don't touch your friend)

Postby Graeme » Wed 15 Oct 2014, 19:16:23

Second Ebola-infected nurse flown from Dallas to Atlanta for specialized treatment

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he second nurse infected with Ebola at a Texas hospital was flown by private jet Wednesday to Emory University Hospital in Atlanta for further specialized treatment.

The patient was identified earlier in the day as 29-year-old Amber Vinson as authorities expressed concern that she took a domestic flight — reportedly to prepare for her wedding in Cleveland — just one day before coming down with symptoms of the deadly disease.

"The second health care worker should not have been allowed to travel by virtue of being in an exposed group," Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) director Dr. Thomas Frieden said in a telebriefing Wednesday. "Although she had no symptoms or fever [that met the threshold] of 100.4, she did report that she took her temperature and found it to be 99.5."

Vinson, who like Nina Pham is a nurse at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, went to the hospital displaying symptoms of the disease on Tuesday morning, after taking a Frontier Airlines flight from Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth on Monday night. Federal health officials are now tracking down all of Vinson's fellow passengers, the CDC said Wednesday.


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