[AirlinePilot]

There are NUMEROUS gasoline/deisel and NG shortages taking place right now around the globe. You guys are more than capable of doing the research on your own I wont do it for you.
Most of those shortages are due to the inability of local areas to afford the price. Period.

Shortages due to just in time practices AND low inventory OUTSIDE OF NATURAL disasters is what led to the shortage I experienced last summer. It had NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE outside of the immediate zone of Hurricane damage. You have your theory and i have mine.

[AirlinePilot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '
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We are talking about actual shortages due to a lack of geologic supply.....the central component to peak oil ( any one of them ).

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'T')here are NUMEROUS gasoline/deisel and NG shortages taking place right now around the globe. You guys are more than capable of doing the research on your own I wont do it for you.
Most of those shortages are due to the inability of local areas to afford the price. Period.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '
')
We are talking about actual shortages due to a lack of geologic supply.....the central component to peak oil ( any one of them ).

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'R')eally? Here's the Father Of Peak Oils oft sited work

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'R')eally? Here's the Father Of Peak Oils oft sited work

[copious.abundance]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'M')ost of those shortages are due to the inability of local areas to afford the price. Period.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'S')upporting my previous premise.... Even with the larger rebound in crude price we still have the lingering effects of low crude prices last year. link

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', 'A')ctually, those 70's era "shortages", at least in the U.S., were largely caused because our stupid government limited the price of gasoline. Thus, the economic law of supply and demand wasn't allowed to operate. (You mentioned the embargos. There certainly was no GEOLOGIC shortage whatsoever).

[Ferretlover]

Was it Nebraska?... Somewhere in the Midwest there were gas statiions closed for lack of fuel in the last year or two.. Dang it, I can't remember where.
But, think about it.
*Hypothetical*: If you were responsible for supplying the gas for the entire nation, and you didn't have enough at times, what would you do?
Would you broadcast it all over the place, or, would you try to redistribute it, given the limited ability of truck & pipeline, and hope that no-one freaked out and caused a panic?
Since fuel is obviously figures into national security, what guidelines might you have as the supplier?

This is similar to all those people and companies holding properties. Would you draw attention to the worst attributes of the property, or, just keep quiet and hope you can unload the place before anyone noticing current and future problems?

[Velociryx]

Okay, somebody revoke FL's right to EVER poke fun at any "Corny" who raises the possibility of a conspiracy.

EVER.

Dude, seriously?

So, a couple of years ago, some gas stations in BFE Nebraska ran dry, and rather than thinking..."OH! Katrina maybe?" the IMMEDIATE HYPOTHESIS raised is that it must be a vast conspiracy between the multitude of trucking companies that are contracted to haul fuel all over the nation, the oil companies AND the government (man, we'll need a new department, for sure, just to make sure all these guys stay silent!).

Gotta be that.

I've heard of creative interpretation of events before, sure. It's a nice way to make sure that the conclusions reached neatly square with whatever your accepted beliefs are, but THIS takes it to a new level!

Seriously, that's art!



-=Vel=-
(this thread just got a whole lot more entertaining!)

[Ferretlover]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Velociryx', ':')shock: Okay, somebody revoke FL's right to EVER poke fun at any "Corny" who raises the possibility of a conspiracy. EVER.

[AirlinePilot]

The banks and the Government have been doing it for over a year now Velociryx.

Wake up.

Look up "housing shadow inventory" and go find out which banks still don't have to mark the real value of their assets to any market presently.

[AirlinePilot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'T')hat would be Dudette, and probably old enough to be your mother!

[Velociryx]

@ FL - Unless you're in your 70's, I'm doubting the age statement.

@ Airline Pilot - you score many more points for the other side and they're gonna kick you off the team!

You guys are fun.

-=Vel=-

[AirlinePilot]

For the Cornies in the crowd...spent maybe five minutes searching global news....I'm sure I can come up with a LOT MORE OF THIS WITH SOME WORK...but Im not going to bother.

You guys are not worth the effort. Keep burying your head in that nice comfortable sand.

http://www.liberianobserver.com/node/4100

http://allafrica.com/stories/200912300622.html

http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2010 ... 901265.txt

"The massive snowstorm that buried much the East Coast last month caused scattered fuel shortages from Virginia to Connecticut, according to the Associated Press."

Maine anecdotal....My brother who lives in Saco, ME said that his supplier had several days where they could not get sufficient supplies for deliveries and they had to ration fuel. Saco, Biddeford and some of the local towns there just south of Portland. He hs been there for almost 20 years and DOES NOT EVER REMEMBER A SUPPLY ISSUE.



http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/M ... /story.csp

"Scarcity and high cost of fuel(link just above)

Trailer drivers who bring in food stuff such as tomatoes, pepper, onions and beans said it is difficult to get fuel and had to increase their charges because of the high price of fuel."

GO ahead and make some ignorant remark explaining it away.

There were other shortages in Pakistan, Malawi and several other places within the last two months....Im just too lazy to find the links.

[Velociryx]

Ohhhhhhhhkay then!

Somehow we went from talking about shortages in the US (ref: the mention of Nebraska (which I believe is still part of the US...forgive me tho, I AM admittedly just a redneck from South Carolina...that g'ograffy stuff isn't our strong suit!), reinforced by YOU tying in the US Housing inventory, US banks, and the government--none of these, I'm sorry to say, have anywhere near the level of direct influence you seem to think they must on countries like Kenya, referenced in your later links...when you shifted the argument away from the US and to a collection of 3rd world countries, who...(and this is shocking, and TRULY evidenciary of a conspiracy) are a) already among the poorer nations of the world, b) reeling from a long, deep global recession, and c) therefore are struggling to pay for ANYTHING (yes...including fuel!).

No one has EVER said that as prices rise, the poorest people (this typically starts in the poorest COUNTRIES) begin to get priced out of the market. Or, in simpler terms, as price goes up, people with less money can't afford as much stuff.

I realize that in your mind, the ONLY POSSIBLE EXPLANATION for this is that...here we go, repeat after me:

WEARERUNNINGOUTOFOILANDALLABOUTTODIE!

But the sad truth is that it's a bit more complicated with that.

I am sorry it doesn't square with your...shall we say, "unique" worldview, but there it is, just the same.

What this has to do with anything, I'm not quite sure, but I'm fairly certain you'll be along in a bit to "wake me up" further, with some additional pealrs of wisdom.

-=Vel=-

PS: the one US based article you cited specifically says that the truckers' hours were being increased to counter (from the article):

"...hang-ups developing with the logistics of these delivery systems"

(this says nothing about insufficient supplies--ie, we are not "running out of oil"...rather, the delivery systems are borked...a problem, yes! But a very different one from the picture you are attempting to paint).

As to the anecdotal evidence - we can play that parlor game all day long, if you wanna...

back to work with me now...

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Velociryx', 'A')s to the anecdotal evidence - we can play that parlor game all day long, if you wanna... back to work with me now...

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'F')or the Cornies in the crowd...spent maybe five minutes searching global news....I'm sure I can come up with a LOT MORE OF THIS WITH SOME WORK...but Im not going to bother.

You guys are not worth the effort. Keep burying your head in that nice comfortable sand.

http://www.liberianobserver.com/node/4100

http://allafrica.com/stories/200912300622.html

http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2010 ... 901265.txt

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'F')or the Cornies in the crowd...spent maybe five minutes searching global news....I'm sure I can come up with a LOT MORE OF THIS WITH SOME WORK...but Im not going to bother.
You guys are not worth the effort. Keep burying your head in that nice comfortable sand. [url=http://www.liberianobserver.com/node/4100]link