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Cause & effect: riots, rioting and rioters pt 1 (merged) Arc

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Re: What's the root of the Montreal riots?

Unread postby Cashmere » Tue 12 Aug 2008, 09:44:37

There is no racism in Canada. Nickel says so, so it must be true.
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Re: What's the root of the Montreal riots?

Unread postby Nickel » Tue 12 Aug 2008, 10:55:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'T')here is no racism in Canada. Nickel says so


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Re: What's the root of the Montreal riots?

Unread postby Fishman » Tue 12 Aug 2008, 11:24:36

Yep Cid, it's those terrible cops and not those nice gang members that are the problem. Boo hoo. Racial profiling boo hoo, those gangs are such pantheons of diversity. Any gang members on line? Cid welcomes you to his neighborhood, no capitulation there!
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Re: What's the root of the Montreal riots?

Unread postby davep » Tue 12 Aug 2008, 11:34:28

I used to get stopped up to five times each time I walked back from my girlfriend's house (about three miles) when I was a teenager living near Liverpool.

I'm white, but so were the drug addicts that were breaking into people's houses all the time. It pissed me off, but as it wasn't racist I guess I couldn't complain.
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Re: What's the root of the Montreal riots?

Unread postby Fishman » Tue 12 Aug 2008, 11:54:39

Dave
You almost had it figured out there. The people committing the crimes you mentioned were a certain color predominantly, you were stopped because of your age and race. That's just as "racist" and "age discrimination" as any other (or common sense), you just had enough sense to understand association. Should the cops have stopped little old black women who were in that neighborhood as frequently as you? At least that way the cops would be avoiding "profiling". Viva la Capitulation!!
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Re: What's the root of the Montreal riots?

Unread postby FoxV » Tue 12 Aug 2008, 13:44:36

The elitism of the French is renowned world wide. Race has very little to do with it. The less Quebcois you are, the less you're welcomed.

Which is the true irony of Quebec politics. They alienated all English speaking Quebecers (my family being one, I was born in Montreal) and to fill the void from the exodus they enabled an open door immigration policy bring in boat loads of people that were not only not French, but not white and not even Catholic (a big deal to the Quebecois)

The future of Quebec is far from certain
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Re: What's the root of the Montreal riots?

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Tue 12 Aug 2008, 13:49:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'i')t's those terrible cops and not those nice gang members that are the problem.

In this case, yes it is. Montreal police are routinely the subject of complains of excessive force, racism and the use of agent provocateurs. It's well documented. They are a complete disgrace.
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Re: What's the root of the Montreal riots?

Unread postby gampy » Tue 12 Aug 2008, 16:20:35

Rioting is nothing new in Montreal. If it's not playoff hockey games, it's rock concerts, or students who don't liek the latest tuition increase. It's a regular part of the summers in Montreal. It's how they have fun, it seems.

The city police in Montreal, and the Surete de Quebec are notoriously violent, and tough. But so are the citizens.

Montreal can be a crazy place, I am not sure it has much to do with a shooting in Laval, or the north end. Might have been a simple excuse to go on a rampage, which is the summer pastime for much of Montreal's youth. Rich, poor, or middle-class.
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Re: What's the root of the Montreal riots?

Unread postby Nickel » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 09:23:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FoxV', 'T')he elitism of the French is renowned world wide. Race has very little to do with it. The less Quebcois you are, the less you're welcomed.
Which is the true irony of Quebec politics. They alienated all English speaking Quebecers (my family being one, I was born in Montreal) and to fill the void from the exodus they enabled an open door immigration policy bring in boat loads of people that were not only not French, but not white and not even Catholic (a big deal to the Quebecois)
The future of Quebec is far from certain

Quebec's kind of between a rock and a self-imposed hard place. They're all wound up in the fact that demographically, they need to maintain their numbers relative to the sea of English-speakers in North America, or they're likely to be absorbed over time like, say, the Irish or the Welsh. But they have one of the lowest birthrates in the world. So, they need to import other francophones. But FoxV's right, there's a real streak of tribalism in Quebecois life that's largely been eroded in English Canada. For them, it's important that you have ancestors who were here for loss at the Plains of Abraham. Really, it's vital to be white and to hail from France. I don't mean that everyone in Quebec is a bigot and unaccepting of others, but I do think it's harder to belong there if you're not "pure wool", as they say there. It's kind of disappointing, because they're a lot cooler and more easy-going than us in a lot of other ways.

So this it the problem for Quebec: not enough babies, so they need to import other French-speakers, but in this modern world, they're mostly coming from former French colonies (read: they're not "white"), not France... and that still kind of matters. So we're bound to see the sons of immigrants feel alienated in Quebec in a way they probably don't elsewhere in North America, until there's a sea change in the attitude of Quebecois towards inclusiveness.
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Re: What's the root of the Montreal riots?

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 10:14:57

So does that mean we scratch Canada off the list of peak oil bugout countries or just the french parts?
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Re: What's the root of the Montreal riots?

Unread postby vampyregirl » Sun 17 Aug 2008, 09:02:03

montreal has seen worse days. Remember the Quebec Bikers War back in the 90s? The Hells Angels and the Rock Machine turned Montreal into a war zone. It was the most violent city in Canada. After the outlaw bikers were put in jail or run out of town killings dropped considerably.
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Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby Roccland » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 09:24:41

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')redit Crunch Could Lead To Massive City Riots According To Bookies Wed 1 Oct 2008 at 12:22:
Irish bookmakers Paddy Power, famous for their imaginative betting markets on current affairs, are betting on which will be the first major city worldwide to riot due to economic influences or factors.

New York Favourite To Be First Riot City-With the US amongst the worst hit it has to be New York that is favourite as that is the hub of the financial trade in the country. Further problems on Wall Street could feasibly lead to riots and New York is 9/4 with Paddy Power to be the first to riot.

Paris And Washington Amongst Riot Favourites-Paris is no stranger to protests and these could turn nasty according to Paddy Power who have the French capital as the second favourite at 3/1. Just behind Paris is US capital Washington at 10/3. With the US Presidential race hotting up there is going to be plenty of action in Washington and this could be the centre of a protest. Protest can turn to riots without too much of a spark so it is no surprise they are amongst the favourites.

Britain Not Safe From Results-Britain could also see some riots with London a 9/2 shot, Dublin 7/1 and Manchester 8/1. For a full list of cities and odds visit the Paddy Power website.

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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby HEADER_RACK » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 09:30:03

HA!!! My money is on L.A. I see L.A. rioting before New york.
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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby Fishman » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 09:56:11

Now where where all those folks that said a city was the place to be during bad times? Oh shiat! I bet they're reconsidering that option now.
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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby AlexdeLarge » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 09:59:08

L.A. , Atlanta, Detroit, and Chicago.
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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby TreeFarmer » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 10:14:06

I'll take San Francisco and Seattle. Very liberal and thus prone to pitch a fit when everything they want does not appear out of thin air when demanded.

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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby Narz » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 10:36:56

Cute. Wonder when they'll bring back the Colosseum.
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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby galacticsurfer » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 10:43:30

Bread prices in Egypt and similar causing riots shoudl give us a clue to this type of behaviour. Hungry people are angry people. Pissed about the bailout is different than pissed about starving. Governements could really be toppled over the latter.
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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby ubercrap » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 10:44:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', 'L').A. , Atlanta, Detroit, and Chicago.

Wholeheartedly agree. Seattle and San Francisco? Ummm...I don't think so.
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Re: Bookies taking bets on cities that will riot...

Unread postby IgnoranceIsBliss » Mon 06 Oct 2008, 10:59:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TreeFarmer', 'I')'ll take San Francisco and Seattle. Very liberal and thus prone to pitch a fit when everything they want does not appear out of thin air when demanded.

I think you're confusing protest with riot.

Agreed on Atlanta. I guess I will have a ringside seat for that one.
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