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Re: Smoking pot may hasten onset of mental illness

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 17:19:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', ' ') Any drug with psychoactive effects can trigger symptoms in those prone to mental disorders in the first place.



Exactly!

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Re: Smoking pot may hasten onset of mental illness

Unread postby americandream » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 17:31:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ike I said, only those of us who aren't dependent on this substance should really be deciding on its legality.


Dependent? :lol: Dear, it's less addicting than coffee.


Then, give it up and lets talk in a years time. Hows that for a challenge.

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Lets be clear on propensity to mental illness and introduction of substances in that context.

If environmental factors trigger susceptibility to mental illness (as in trying circumstances), then clearly, it would be foolhardy for a society to introduce a substance into its midst that is likely to exacerbate a person's functioning UNLESS those environmental factors were completely eliminated and all users are on an equal footing for pot nirvana. Otherwise, this is just one more millstone for the poor

However, were it physiological, a society would be utterly remiss in introducing a substance in its midst that was likely to amplify that propensity.

Reasonable inferences, I would say. Let's do the science, no matter how long it takes to finalise. As it is we have potheads and growers saying one thing, some scientists who appear to be saying the same with another group arguing the exact opposite. We have anecdotal evidence that pot can be an issue or else why routinely drug test heavy machine users (and not users of alcohol).

We are basically in the dark on this issue and the science is nowhere as comprehensive as say the science of climate which inspite of its rigour, still attracts scepticism becuase of vested interests. There is much to be made from a population of comatosed drones so I would argue that the pressure is on for legalisation BECAUSE of the financial incentive. Let's do the maths, if it stacks up, well, even those of us who are loathe to see another moneyspinng addiction (albeit benign) on the street will have no other chpice but to stand back and let another branch of capitalistic commodification make its way onto the markets.
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Re: Smoking pot may hasten onset of mental illness

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 17:39:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hen, give it up and lets talk in a years time. Hows that for a challenge.


I quit smoking pot for 30+ years. :lol:
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Re: Smoking pot may hasten onset of mental illness

Unread postby americandream » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 17:48:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hen, give it up and lets talk in a years time. Hows that for a challenge.


I quit smoking pot for 30+ years. :lol:


Why the robust defence then? If its a civil liberty issue, my points are quite reasonable as I am all for the liberty of the individual subject to a comprehensive audit. There are many issues that require examining here, they being:

Is this likely to disadvantage the already disadvantaged?

Is this likely to amplify condtitions that would otherwise be dormant?

Is this likely to inculcate a certain somnambulance in the already somnambulated?

Fair concerns that should be put to science. However, the commodification of pot will give rise to a huge industry in escapism so to that extent, like the AGW issue, I supect that those like me will be shouted down as free markets rush to embrace this new commodity. However, I will continue to call for clearer science until that occurs.
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Re: Smoking pot may hasten onset of mental illness

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 17:56:43

Escapism?

We all have our ways of escapism. This way is ecologically sound, harms no one and is rather enlightening.
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Re: Smoking pot may hasten onset of mental illness

Unread postby americandream » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 17:58:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'E')scapism?

We all have our ways of escapism. This way is ecologically sound, harms no one and is rather enlightening.


Put it to the objective test of science and remove ALL doubt.

edit: Remind me please. Aren't you the fellow who believes that the elite are reptilians?
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Re: Smoking pot may hasten onset of mental illness

Unread postby davep » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 18:14:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'E')scapism?

We all have our ways of escapism. This way is ecologically sound, harms no one and is rather enlightening.


Put it to the objective test of science and remove ALL doubt.

edit: Remind me please. Aren't you the fellow who believes that the elite are reptilians?


And how would science go about measuring enlightenment? It's not very Cartesian :roll:
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Re: Smoking pot may hasten onset of mental illness

Unread postby nobodypanic » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 18:24:30

if you are genetically prone to a mental disorder, then smoking pot is like playing russian roulette. even if it does nothing to those who aren't predisposed, that's still a fairly significant negative. how the hell would anyone know if they were carrying this propensity or not?

if that stuff were some compound manufactured by big-pharma or the industrial-agricultural sector with the same purported negative characteristics, how many of you would maintain your same positions?
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Re: Smoking pot may hasten onset of mental illness

Unread postby americandream » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 18:30:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'E')scapism?

We all have our ways of escapism. This way is ecologically sound, harms no one and is rather enlightening.


Put it to the objective test of science and remove ALL doubt.

edit: Remind me please. Aren't you the fellow who believes that the elite are reptilians?


And how would science go about measuring enlightenment? It's not very Cartesian :roll:


You conveniently overlooked his assertions that it harms no one which after all is the gist of this debate and where science is most likely to be applicable.

Typical ploy of those seeking to discredit an argument with derision. An argument which quite simply says, put the substance to the standard tests for safety. A reasonable argument.
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Re: Smoking pot may hasten onset of mental illness

Unread postby americandream » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 18:37:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', 'i')f you are genetically prone to a mental disorder, then smoking pot is like playing russian roulette. even if it does nothing to those who aren't predisposed, that's still a fairly significant negative. how the hell would anyone know if they were carrying this propensity or not?

if that stuff were some compound manufactured by big-pharma or the industrial-agricultural sector with the same purported negative characteristics, how many of you would maintain your same positions?


Theres a budding industry in this substance were it to be legalised. I will be looking forward to the rise of a few substance tycoons. Previously unemployed or otherwise skulking indolently on the edges of the economy, now suddenly risen in the ranks of the rich and powerful with a newfound conservatism, like those New Age snake oil salesmen.
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Re: Smoking pot may hasten onset of mental illness

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 18:39:22

You're a weirdo
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Re: Smoking pot may hasten onset of mental illness

Unread postby americandream » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 18:44:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'Y')ou're a weirdo


A simple yay or nay will suffice. Thanks
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Re: Smoking pot may hasten onset of mental illness

Unread postby americandream » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 19:10:19

@pstarr

I thinks it pretty evident that anything that occurs in the ecological system is ecologically sound until it is taken out of that system, as in the agri-industry. So whilst it may be an ecologically sound species now, in a legalised world of wide spread escapist somnambulism where devices such as this are in widespread use for lulling the masses into a fog induced state of deeper apathy, there is just as reasonable a presumption that the plant could assume agri-industry standards of manipulation. Thats a reasonable hypothesis going by the commodification of other crops.

As for it's supposed safety. Let's put that to a rigorous scientic test. One that eliminates for ever any doubts as to its use.

I am just as wary of the rastafarian, sandal wearing scoundrel as I am of the kind that frequent our banks and brokerages.

Thats the difference between you and I.

edit: prostitution exists becuase women and sex are a commodity. Legalising it simply deepens sex's commodity status and further signals the second class status of women.

edit edit: In fact I am utterly againt the institution of the family which is the very heart of bourgeoisie values, both transmitting those values from generation to generation as well as within the confines of marriage/civil union. Women are not mere breeders and places where men derive pleasure. They are full humans who have the right to a sovereign life free from the strictures of middle class slavery as well as the confines of the ritual of home making. So a prude, I am not. A wishy washy liberal I most certainly am not.
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Re: Smoking pot may hasten onset of mental illness

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 20:34:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', 'i')f you are genetically prone to a mental disorder, then smoking pot is like playing russian roulette.



Pot seems to help some folks with mental illness. If you take physician-prescribed medications for mental illness you're playing Russian roulette. Ever check out the side-effects on those? One I took for awhile had as a possible side-effect sudden unexplained death. They don't even know how the things work. 8O

<<<<<< playing Russian roulette with a Big Pharma gun
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Re: Smoking pot may hasten onset of mental illness

Unread postby americandream » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 20:37:52

@pstrarr

I'll issue here a little note to remind you with later. Were pot to be legalised, it would assume prime commodity status (as in investor demand and all the various changes deemed necessary to make it profitable, within two years at the outside. In addition, I suspect that it will become, like alcohol and cigarettes, another crutch by which the shopping masses will kept in a state of perpetual idiocy. In addition, we will see many of the so-called leftie types diving headlng into the corporatisation of this substance. Finally, we will see the full horrors of this addiciton, like alcohol and cigarettes, wreak havoc on the budgets and lives of the poor.

The need for substances, especially amongst the poor is testimony to the failure of capitalism, it's that simple...as with prostitution and other forms of violence against women. One cannot sanitise these things. A woman should not have to sell her genitals for a living (nor should a man or bisexual). Where this arises, there is a problem and this is its symptom.

Leaving aside the effects of commecialising another escapist substance, I would like to see conclusive evidence that this drug will not harm its users. Once that is sufficiently convincing, I will acquiesce to legalisation personally although like I said, I am always mindful that all escapisms in capitalist purgatory invariably do the greatest harm to its victims irrespective of how trendy we may try to make these things.
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Re: Smoking pot may hasten onset of mental illness

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 20:43:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'e')dit: prostitution exists becuase women and sex are a commodity.



I'm pretty sure there are male prostitutes. :| Or is man on man sex not a commodity?
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Re: Smoking pot may hasten onset of mental illness

Unread postby americandream » Tue 08 Feb 2011, 20:45:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'e')dit: prostitution exists becuase women and sex are a commodity.



I'm pretty sure there are male prostitutes. :| Or is man on man sex not a commodity?


Refer to my post above.
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Re: Smoking pot may hasten onset of mental illness

Unread postby Ibon » Wed 09 Feb 2011, 02:21:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', ' ') I have not tried this treatment because of no ready source of pot and it being illegal here. :(


Find an area on your property where there is a complex mosaic of shrubby plants close together, either native or landscaped. Place a small pot seedling within this mosaic and as the plant grows remove individual leaflets on each leaf to break the pattern of the 5,7,or 9 palmate leaflets that make up the classic pot leaf that everyone instantly recognizes. You can thus have this plant virtually disappear into the landscape. Allow the plant to flower within the shrubbery by trimming the plant so that it never emerges from the surrounding plants.

There was a 10 year period while living in a high density South Florida neighborhood where hundreds of people would drive or walk by admiring or hating my landscaping since I reduced the lawn to about 15%. I often gave tours to interested people and would walk them by a well hidden plant. Not even my ecologist friends would notice until I pointed out the mangled specimen that didn't have a single intact palmate leaf :)
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