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Unread postby MyOtherID » Fri 12 May 2006, 23:12:27

Man invents 'world's most fuel-efficient car'

May 12 2006 at 07:44PM

London - A British inventor on Friday unveiled a car he claims is the world's most fuel efficient - capable of doing 12 875km per 4,5 litres (about 2 861km per litre).

Andy Green, 45, spent just £2 000 (R23 360) over two years creating the three-wheeled contraption in his spare time.

The car, named "TeamGreen", is 3,1m long and a mere 0,6m wide, weighing just 30kg.

"It's a labour of love," said Green, a technician in the mechanical engineering department of Bath University, south-west England.

'It's a labour of love'

"I think the car is important because it is a reminder to us all that the way to achieve fuel-savings is to drive lighter cars - it's the weight of this car that is the main reason for its fuel-efficiency," he said.

Green's car is powered by a single cylinder four-stroke engine with a capacity of just 35cc.

It will be the only British entry in a global competition in France later this month to decide the world's most fuel-economic car.

The winner of the Shell Eco-Marathon championships will be the car that runs the longest on an average speed of 30km/h.

Two women, chosen for their slight frames, have been selected to drive the Briton's invention for the three-day event.

Green is already a seasoned inventor of environmentally friendly cars, of which "TeamGreen" is his fourth.

He holds the British record for fuel-efficiency, having achieved 6 603 miles to the gallon in one of his previous cars. - Sapa-AFP
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Re: 8000 mpg car

Unread postby MyOtherID » Fri 12 May 2006, 23:15:18

This makes me think that with the right tech, we can move peak oil out a long way. And these cars should be cheap! A lot of Murkans are going to have to go on crash diets ...

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Re: 8000 mpg car

Unread postby lutherquick » Fri 12 May 2006, 23:25:49

Now if the US Army could use this car while invading IraN, or Venezuela, you know? for democracy... then GM could mass produce these things... call it maybe the "Hommer"... or "Homvee"

That's the only way Americans would buy it... If marketing showed bodies, piles of Iranian children, driven over by this "Team Green" Hommer...

And the first one could be the H4...
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Re: 8000 mpg car

Unread postby Dukat_Reloaded » Fri 12 May 2006, 23:38:06

1 litre for 8,000km, that is amazing. Basicly if we begin using those cars, oil is going to drop to 0.
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British Inventor Unveils 8000 MPG Car

Unread postby BillKTurner » Sat 13 May 2006, 00:19:46

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7003538016


British Inventor Unveils 8000 MPG Car

May 12, 2006 2:18 p.m. EST

Julie Farby - All Headline News Staff Writer

London, England (AHN)—A British inventor unveils the world's most fuel-efficient vehicle, a three-wheel “TeamGreen” car capable of doing 8,000 miles to the gallon.

The 45-year-old inventor, Andy Green, from the University of Bath, built his budget eco-motor for just £2,000, and will be the sole British contender for the title of the world's most fuel-economic car in a global competition being held later this month.

It has taken Mr. Green more than two years to design and build the car, which will be the fourth eco-vehicle he has built. He holds the British record for fuel-efficiency, with 6,603 miles to the gallon in a previous car.

According to the report, the new vehicle is powered by a single cylinder four-stroke engine with a capacity of just 35cc and runs with a special management system incorporating fuel injection.

A spokesman for Bath University says, "Andy Green is keeping the spirit of the lone British inventor who takes on the world very much alive."

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Re: British Inventor Unveils 8000 MPG Car

Unread postby NeoPeasant » Sat 13 May 2006, 00:34:15

No one posted a pic. Doesn't matter, these cars are all recumbent tricycle looking thingies with pencil thin solid tires. They run the test on glass smooth indoor bicycle tracks. They fire the motor for one or two power strokes, coast as long as possible, then repeat.

It's a stunt that has no meaning for real world vehicles.
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Re: British Inventor Unveils 8000 MPG Car

Unread postby MyOtherID » Sat 13 May 2006, 01:00:49

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Re: British Inventor Unveils 8000 MPG Car

Unread postby MyOtherID » Sat 13 May 2006, 01:08:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NeoPeasant', 'N')o one posted a pic. Doesn't matter, these cars are all recumbent tricycle looking thingies with pencil thin solid tires. They run the test on glass smooth indoor bicycle tracks. They fire the motor for one or two power strokes, coast as long as possible, then repeat.

It's a stunt that has no meaning for real world vehicles.


Not quite, Kuntsler.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TeamGreen', 'T')he rules specify that each team should construct a vehicle capable of covering a 5 or 10 mile course at a minimum average speed of 15 miles per hour.

The vehicle is allowed to accelerate using the engine and then to coast with the engine switched off - provided that the vehicle maintains the 15 mph average or greater.


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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's a stunt that has no meaning for real world vehicles.



What is a "real world vehicle"? For me it is one that gets me from A to B. With vehicles like this, the road danger would be minimal and we could all have our own cars, even children.
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Re: British Inventor Unveils 8000 MPG Car

Unread postby pea-jay » Sat 13 May 2006, 01:30:45

Holy F***ing moly. That car has hummer road kill written all over it. I dont think the driver knew what he hit if he hit one of those things. Like other people have said, there is little to no practical application for this technology. Personal vehicles are the size they are because we are the size we are. Either we figure out how to make appropriate sized vehicles that can be powered without petroleum or we will simply do with out. Unless there is another british inventor out there that has figured how to shrink humans to one sixth their original height, this is not the future of automobiles.

Now on the other hand, I'd love to see the reaction on fans faces if a whole bunch of thes vehicles were substituted in as "racecars" at a NASCAR racing event. The only deafening noise to be heard would be the boos and jeers as these vehicles ambled and coasted by on their one glorious cylinder's worth of automotive achievement. That would be priceless.
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Re: British Inventor Unveils 8000 MPG Car

Unread postby MyOtherID » Sat 13 May 2006, 01:53:29

How to deal with this rubbish?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pea-jay', 'H')oly F***ing moly. That car has hummer road kill written all over it. I dont think the driver knew what he hit if he hit one of those things.


Hummers are like Dodo birds. When you see a Hummer, stop and regard it with awe, for your grandchildren will never see one rolling, only standing mutely in a museum.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pea-brain', 'L')ike other people have said, there is little to no practical application for this technology. Personal vehicles are the size they are because we are the size we are. Either we figure out how to make appropriate sized vehicles that can be powered without petroleum or we will simply do with out.


Codswallop! I know plenty of people who just want to get their bums from one point to another, without having to pedal. You remind me of the idiotic right-wing talk show hosts in America who froth at the mouth when anyone suggests SUVs are unnecessary.

Your response is actually sickening, showing an appalling lack of imagination, a typically American resistance to change (how about using the metric system, you f-wits?), and the familiar quasi-religious commitment to doomerism.
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Re: British Inventor Unveils 8000 MPG Car

Unread postby pea-jay » Sat 13 May 2006, 02:48:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MyOtherIDiot', 'H')ow to deal with this rubbish?


Rubbish? Fine you go defend your microcar and nonsolution. It's these stunts like this one and that obnoxious solar car race every year that gives this country's REAL IDIOTS the false idea that oh by slapping some PV on the roof of the car or by some miracle reconfiguration of the engine, their easy motoring days can continue on forever. On the few occasions I even bother to "correct" this nonsense by explaining the fantastically concentrated power of gasoline compared to the defuse nature of sunshine do they begin to get it. And that's if they still have some working grey matter upstairs.

There is a definate resistance to change. I completely agree to that. But what your offering is not a solution, it is a stunt. Even if something got workable and improved gasoline efficiency by 100% or more, the nitwits that we HUMANS tend to be is we will fill that newly available resources with 100% more cars. Or if we dont, the chinese and indians will. Jevon's Paradox again.

We won't win through efficiency. Worse, we might buy some time and continue to grow until something else stopped us. Leibig's law. Except instead of 7billion people there would be 11. Or 17.

Either we recognize this, back away from fossil fuel dependence altogher and power down our lives OR we get cracking on finding real big energy solutions like fusion, re-configuring our ENTIRE transport system and eventually find or terraform a few extra planets in order to maintain our non-negotiable lifestyle.

The more I think about, the more I realize these announcements are nothing more than a waste of time and a technological dead end.
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Re: British Inventor Unveils 8000 MPG Car

Unread postby MyOtherID » Sat 13 May 2006, 03:00:50

You're confusing your hatred of humanity and your concern about overpopulation with the viability of solutions.

You need to try to separate emotions from logic.
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Re: British Inventor Unveils 8000 MPG Car

Unread postby pea-jay » Sat 13 May 2006, 04:04:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MyOtherID', 'Y')ou're confusing your hatred of humanity and your concern about overpopulation with the viability of solutions.

You need to try to separate emotions from logic.


I don't hate humans. I dare say all of my best friends are human. And for better or worse, I am stuck with today's concepts of humanity. But you are right, I am concerned about over population.

And I have thought about this solution, rationally and without emotion. You want a real transportation solution that combines the freedom and flexibility of a car with the advantages of public transit? One that operates more efficiently than today's ICE vehicles and bio-fuel creation systems. Try looking at dual mode systems for a moment.

Personal vehicles are great for independent travel at any time of day to virtually any place that can be reached with some form of road system. They are grossly inefficient means of travel however, encourage wasteful land use decisions and are not available to the young, very old, infirm or poor. Even if we didn't have a fuel problem, many cities simply have too many vehicles for the amount of road ways and no way to expand those roads. Either they turn to transit or everyone suffers in gridlock. Plus personal vehicles are impossible way for everyone to evacuate a large urban area in the event of a disaster.

Public transit is great for moving large amounts of people and is relatively affordable. That's about it. You travel around their schedule and route system. You either make it work or you dont go.

Both systems are fueled by a non-renewable resource (electric busses and trains excepting) and shifting to biofuels and or hybrids not plausible. Even if it were, you STILL have the traffic problem. Fuel cells?? Still no sign of the H2Economy.

Dual mode combines advantages of both and ditches the dependence on petro OR biofuels altogether. Imagine a system where somebody gets into their car, a small battery electric car that charged overnight at home instead of a conventional gas car. But unlike a gas car, this vehicle is driven only a few blocks to miles to a mono-rail like rail on ramp. From that point the car automatically gathers speed merges up and forms a platoon with other vehicles (reducing drag) and drives automatically to the nearest exit point, all the way running off third rail supplied electricity.

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During rail mode, the car is under automatic control, so the driver can do other things. Capacity is drastically improved because cars could drive at 60 miles an hour, seperated by inches from other vehicles. When the car reaches the destination, the driver takes over and drives it conventionally. It is parked on a small rail and charged until it is needed again.

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See, now you have a system that is more efficient at moving large numbers of people like transit, but flexible like private cars. And it can be run more efficiently than ANY bio-fueled ICE car could be. And all of the parts are available now. Standard battery technology will suffice. No need to wait for fuel cells. The electricity can be sourced from anywhere. Even if it is coal fired, the use of an all-electric transit system would mean fewer pollutants than if they were from conventional gas and diesel vehicles.

Plus the system is flexible to all types of users. The middle class and well-to-do would by their own cars, if they so chose, paying the full cost of transportation. People needing cars periodically or regularly even could also now use cars like they use CARTS at the airport. They walk up to a line of parked vehicles for use, swipe ID and payment and are off. They go to where they need to, parking their car in the nearst drop site. The car would wait there for someone else to use it or--wait, this gets better--drives off if attached to the rail portion and automatically goes to where it IS needed. That way a fewer number of cars can be used more frequently by more people (meaning FEWER need to be made in the first place).

But wait, let's say you are poor. Or cant drive. The system can accept small mini-bus vehicles driven by a driver that follows a general route, but is free to derivate, entering and exiting the rail when needed. But the rail sytem itself can have "stations" too, like a people mover. Totally automated cars would circulate around on the rails for people-mover style use. All the person has to do is walk to the nearest rail station and rides on one to the nearest station of their choosing.

It's a huge investment, dont get me wrong. Rails need to be built, generation capacity created and vehicles manufactured. All are within our reach today. It solves our liquid fuel problem for most of the Urban and suburban world and related intercity travel, and reserves liquid use for the spread out rural areas for the time being.

RUF out of Denmark has the best illustrated concept out there, but they are not the only ones.

http://www.ruf.dk

Now you can't say I am being negative or unable to offer any solutions. I am just not prepared to try and follow a fools path that is bio-fuels and internal combustion engines. Now having described this whole setup doesnt mean government will go for it. Thats why I figure a powerdown future with no cars whatsoever may be the more likely of the two outcomes.

But sorry, I still think that 8K MPG car is still a joke.
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Re: British Inventor Unveils 8000 MPG Car

Unread postby MyOtherID » Sat 13 May 2006, 05:59:41

I'm 100% behind you on the light rail issue. It is definitely a huge part of the solution but I had no space for it in my graphic.

But ultra low consumption vehicles will be wildly popular as well, you'll see. They aren't a joke!
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Re: British Inventor Unveils 8000 MPG Car

Unread postby lorenzo » Sat 13 May 2006, 07:04:34

Just for your info: the guys who organised the X-prize are now organising a similar challenge to build a hyperefficient, but usable, production worthy car.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The challenge: Build the world's most fuel-efficient production car - one that gets maybe 250 miles per gallon and causes little or no pollution. The payoff: prize money from the group that awarded $10 million for the world's first private spaceflight two years ago.

When the X-Prize Foundation unveils its new high-mileage car contest later this year, it will join a small but growing number of competitive prizes for energy development. Instead of watching President Bush and Congress wrangle for months to just get Detroit to boost fuel efficiency by a few miles per gallon, why not offer fat cash prizes to the private sector for breakthrough technologies? Proponents say it's a cheaper and faster way to unhook America from its oil dependency.

"Ford's Model T got 25 miles per gallon, and today a Ford Explorer gets 18 miles per gallon," says Peter Diamandis, X-Prize Foundation chairman. "We believe the time is ripe for a fundamental change in what we drive - and we believe an X-Prize in this area can drive a substantial change."

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http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0508/p01s03-stss.html

If all households were to drive it, oil consumption would go down by anywhere between 50 and 75%.

I really believe a lot can be achieved through mere increases in efficiency.

The era of petroleum isn't over. The era of wasting petroleum is over.
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Re: British Inventor Unveils 8000 MPG Car

Unread postby RacerJace » Sat 13 May 2006, 07:33:57

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If all households were to drive it, oil consumption would go down by anywhere between 100 and 200%.

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:lol: 200% reduction means we would actually make an extra 100%. A little critical thinking is required here I believe. From my reading it's 70 - 80% of all fossil fuels is used for transport. So a reduction of 80% would mean total and complete conversion to alternatives. Not likely (within the next 15 years) me thinks.

By 2012 I expect you will see oil above $250 (12 oz of gold) a barrel and most of the global economy will fragment into localised pockets of self sustaining economies where survival trumps profit.

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Re: British Inventor Unveils 8000 MPG Car

Unread postby thor » Sat 13 May 2006, 07:54:12

Gentlemen,

This is yet another non-solution that won't make it to real-world implementation. Nothing to see here, move on.
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Re: British Inventor Unveils 8000 MPG Car

Unread postby gnm » Sat 13 May 2006, 08:13:55

I'm not a mathematician but perhaps you could enlighten me on how we can decrease consumption 200%...

:roll:

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edit - nevermind I see plenty of others caught that.. should have refreshed the cache before I posted...
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