[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')his particular video system has no functional rewind or fast foward and is difficult to navigate. Is there an standalone url to watch it at?

His Overshoot finally his point?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JasonHam', 'I') knew I was going to get this reaction. Anything that isnt doom and gloom is stupid and misinformed to you quacks.

[Omnitir]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', 'A')nd it’s nice to see that some people here get it.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', ' ')My comment relates to my pleasure in seeing that not all peaknics are Luddite technophobes with knee-jerk reactions that dismiss possible solutions because they involve future technologies.

[kochevnik]

Facts Mr. Ham. Science Mr. Ham. Logic Mr. Ham. There's no free lunch Mr. Ham.

Biggest problem with nano-tech is that now you have a time limit - probably got less than a decade to develop working prototypes. Extremely, extremely low odds on that.

Second problem with nanotech is the law of conservation of energy (and matter) and entropy. If molecules were so easily slammed together to create replacement oil, nature wouldn't have needed millenia to pull it off.

Third problem with nano-tech is the law of unintended consequences of which grey goo is just one possibility.

Find me a credible scientist who can show us that the Star Trek replicator is just around the corner and we'll have something to discuss - otherwise all you are is just another religious fanatic whose God just comes in a really small box.

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kochevnik', ':')!:


Facts Mr. Ham. Science Mr. Ham. Logic Mr. Ham. There's no free lunch Mr. Ham.

Biggest problem with nano-tech is that now you have a time limit - probably got less than a decade to develop working prototypes. Extremely, extremely low odds on that.

Second problem with nanotech is the law of conservation of energy (and matter) and entropy. If molecules were so easily slammed together to create replacement oil, nature wouldn't have needed millenia to pull it off.

Third problem with nano-tech is the law of unintended consequences of which grey goo is just one possibility.

Find me a credible scientist who can show us that the Star Trek replicator is just around the corner and we'll have something to discuss - otherwise all you are is just another religious fanatic whose God just comes in a really small box.

[chris-h]

The tech that is needed to save the world is known for a very long time.
Electric rail and electric street cars.
What is not there is the political will.

Maybe they develop nanotech in a decade.
It will be used as a weapon NOT to save us.
Peak oil is a social problem not a tech problem.
As a social problem peak oil cannot be solved by technology.

[Heineken]

Well, Chris-h is exactly right. More technology is not the answer. We need less of everything. Less technology. Fewer cars. Fewer houses. Fewer people. Fewer bombs. Less consumption. And so on down the line.

The irony is that we are going to get to that same diminished place by continuing as we are, in headlong pursuit of MORE. Only much more painfully and with much bleaker prospects than if we'd wised up sooner.

[EnergySpin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '
')We know it works... plants do it every day.

We just don't yet understand how.

[JasonHam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JasonHam', 'I') knew I was going to get this reaction. Anything that isnt doom and gloom is stupid and misinformed to you quacks. Why dont you all just give up right now. Go ahead and jump.... I don't know much about nanotechnology, but it seems that the science has some promise. But NOOOOO, we couldnt possibly advance and discover, new ways of living, that doesnt include a mass dieoff or a crumbling civilization. And you know, the world is flat!!!!! jackasses

[JasonHam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Coolman', 'L')ook, the die is going to happen. It always does, the population can not grow forever. The belief that anything can go on forever is insane.

And speaking of all these "advanced technologies", I would greet them with extreme skepticism. Stuff like this has been promised in the past before and failed to deliver what it had promised. Nature always finds a way to out smart humans.

It is not that we are doomers here, we are just being realistic. I think almost 100 years of 1st world consumerism has blinded us big time. We are addicted to our consumer products and do and say anything to defend them.

[Heineken]

We aren't dismissing nano, Jason. We're just saying it won't save the world, and is an unaffordable distraction from the real issues and the real solutions, which are available NOW with the technology we already have. In point of fact, the real solutions are decidedly low-tech.

When it comes to energy, there's no free lunch---it can't be stated often enough. Technology in general holds out the spurious promise of a free lunch, or at least a damned inexpensive one.

Completely unrealistic. As is your belief that "America will colonize another planet." The manned space program has been dead since the 1970s. The US govt. is broke---almost $10 trillion in debt. We're not going to Planet Shangri-La anytime soon, much less "colonizing" it.

[JasonHam]

Actually there were several posts dismissing nanotechnology as a "dream". Everything starts as a dream.

You say when it comes to energy there is no free lunch. What if nanotechnology provided that free lunch? I know, I know what if , what if , what if.....all the far out possibilites are just too unrealistic.

NONSENSE!!!! Whatever the human mind conceive, the human mind can acheive.(someone smart said that a long time ago). Just because its seems unrealistic right now doesnt mean it wont happen. Humans are constantly studying, testing,and inventing. I think the human species is just getting started. We will travel and explore the "last frontier". Nano or something else will help us find a new energy source. We will advance medical science so a human beings lifespan will be hundreds if not thousands of years. I think its unrealistic to think we won't!! But were talking about timeframe here and that's the whole point. "Peak oil". When is it going to happen? How are we dealing with it? How can we prepare? How rough will a transition from an Oil Based Civilization be?

I still beleive the question of when Peak Oil will occur still hasnt been answered. One source says this, the other source says this, a bunch of graphs and "facts" are discussed and analyzed. Depending on who you believe its either now or 65 years from now. Governments and society are slowly starting to act. No one really knows for sure how this is all going to play out. One thing is for sure, it will be interesting.............

[CrudeAwakening]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JasonHam', '
')NONSENSE!!!! Whatever the human mind conceive, the human mind can acheive.(someone smart said that a long time ago).

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JasonHam', 'N')ONSENSE!!!! Whatever the human mind can conceive, the human mind can achieve.

[JasonHam]

I think "we can"
you think "we can't"

glass half empty or half full?

I started this thread for 2 reasons.

1. Ive heard the word nanotechnology before but i just recently started to read more about what it is and can be.

2. And its kinda fun irritating doomers with discussion about the sun rising tommorrow.

the quote "Whatever the human mind can conceive, the human mind can achieve." I think was at a macro level, not micro.

[Heineken]

We've had lots of forums on nanotech, Jason, and they all lead to the same place: nowhere.

Me, irritated? Go back and read your own posts and see who sounds irritated.

[Heineken]

Fab post, pstarr. Feels slightly ethanol-inspired, or otherwise juicily loosened from the prongs of convention.

What I get from it is how cleanly swept away will be the haughty foolish cogitations of the Jasons by the gales of angry earth.

[Madpaddy]

Heineken wrote,
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ell, Chris-h is exactly right. More technology is not the answer. We need less of everything. Less technology. Fewer cars. Fewer houses. Fewer people. Fewer bombs. Less consumption. And so on down the line.