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A conversation with my friend

Unread postby henrypinge » Sun 14 Mar 2010, 00:06:28

Several days ago, I talked to my friend about peak oil, because people, in Taiwan, never care about this issue. My friend heard peak oil before, but he don't believe that. :shock:

He told me that "sometime it's hard to tell the different between peak oil doomers and stock market players, because both of them have fancy charts and stories. There are many scenarios proposed by oil doomers in internet, one says it's a life-long slow decline, an other says production plateau may hold decade and then moderate decline, and the other says a catastrophe collapse is coming. Guess what, there are many scenarios proposed by stock market players in internet, one says DJ index will decline one month later, an other says index may hold several years even we have a recession, and the other says a catastrophe index collapse is coming. ", he said. 8O

He thinks peak oil doomer is not a good predictor, but a good novelist. Because he highly doubt that any one could really predict world energy supply, just as he doubt any one could predict DJ index.... :(
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Re: A conversation with my friend

Unread postby mos6507 » Sun 14 Mar 2010, 01:59:34

Get used to it. There is a reason most of us don't bother talking about peak oil. The only way to find other peakers is online because they are so few and far between. Sometimes I think a peaker is born rather than made.
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Re: A conversation with my friend

Unread postby efarmer » Sun 14 Mar 2010, 15:52:39

When the average person has heard about the peak of inexpensive petroleum
and they become aware that it is not going to continue to be able to be used as
if it was limitless compared to our own or the immediate lifetimes we are enmeshed
with, a great work has been accomplished in and of itself.

People all want concise predictability out of complex issues and assume when
they cannot be delivered, the complex issue is perhaps invalid.

Going from almost global ignorance of the theory of finite cheap petroleum to
awareness is a large step, too far for some to take, to little for PO minded
people to accept. And so it is, and will stay until events drive it from the
position toward the truth in whatever direction.
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Re: A conversation with my friend

Unread postby bromius » Wed 17 Mar 2010, 10:24:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('henrypinge', 'S')everal days ago, I talked to my friend about peak oil, because people, in Taiwan, never care about this issue. My friend heard peak oil before, but he don't believe that. :shock:

He told me that "sometime it's hard to tell the different between peak oil doomers and stock market players, because both of them have fancy charts and stories. There are many scenarios proposed by oil doomers in internet, one says it's a life-long slow decline, an other says production plateau may hold decade and then moderate decline, and the other says a catastrophe collapse is coming. Guess what, there are many scenarios proposed by stock market players in internet, one says DJ index will decline one month later, an other says index may hold several years even we have a recession, and the other says a catastrophe index collapse is coming. ", he said. 8O

He thinks peak oil doomer is not a good predictor, but a good novelist. Because he highly doubt that any one could really predict world energy supply, just as he doubt any one could predict DJ index.... :(



What is the reason you want him to know? I'm guessing its because he's your friend and you care about his well being. Are you in the process of making lifestyle changes to deal with the big adjustment we are facing? Do you feel he should do the same?
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Re: A conversation with my friend

Unread postby Ayame » Thu 18 Mar 2010, 01:57:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('henrypinge', ' ')My friend heard peak oil before, but he don't believe that. :shock:

He told me that "sometime it's hard to tell the different between peak oil doomers and stock market players, because both of them have fancy charts and stories. There are many scenarios proposed by oil doomers in internet, one says it's a life-long slow decline, an other says production plateau may hold decade and then moderate decline, and the other says a catastrophe collapse is coming.

He thinks peak oil doomer is not a good predictor, but a good novelist. Because he highly doubt that any one could really predict world energy supply, just as he doubt any one could predict DJ index.... :(


It's hard to tell from your post whether your friend doesn't believe in peak oil "theory" itself outright or just in the doomer scenarios of peak oil.
If you are saying that he doesn't believe in peak oil alltogether because there are so many decline scenarios proposed its like someone saying that if they put a piece of toast in the toaster that they don't believe it will brown because there are so many distributions of browing patterns possible. Peak oil is a fact because a) oil is a finite resource and b) humans are using that resource. You can't beat logic. If your friend can't grasp this logic (which many people can't or won't because the conclusion can be so terrible that their brains panic and quickly resort to denial as a defense mechanism) then don't waste your time. Stay civil and have fun but believe me it's like flogging a dead horse and it will only end in your frustration and a bit of bemused reflecting on how for a supposed intelligent species humans can be such dumb animals.
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