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“The reason renewables can’t power modern civilization is because they were never meant to. One interesting question is why anybody ever thought they could.”
Michael Shellenberger, Time magazine “Hero of the Environment,” wrote this commentary in an article in Forbes.
According to Shellenberger, president at Environmental Progress and an expert reviewer for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), renewables are simply incapable of sustaining our current way of life.
Why? Because people just are not willing to give up all the perks of modern life in order to return to some kind of a romantic pre-industrial era—the only kind of era that renewables could hope to sustain.
Climate change and the pivot toward energy transition are real. But the idea of having the world function as we know it powered solely by renewable energy is unrealistic today.
It will likely still be unrealistic three decades from now.
Can Falling Renewables Costs Enough Get Us To Zero-Carbon?
Renewable energy sources, especially solar and wind, are gaining market share in almost every corner of the world. Costs are falling and making new photovoltaic (PV) solar and onshore wind cheaper than the cheapest coal-fired power generation, the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) said in a report in June. Over the past decade, utility-scale solar PV costs have plunged by 82 percent, followed by concentrating solar power (CSP) costs, which have dropped by 47 percent, onshore wind costs have declined by 39 percent, and offshore wind costs have fallen by 29 percent.
While the cost of renewables continues to fall as technology evolves, the cost of smoothly integrating intermittent renewable power sources into (often outdated) power grids are enormous in terms of investment. This incorporation is also currently unsurmountable in terms of government policies.
How Much 100% Zero-Carbon Grid Will Cost?
In the United States alone, the full decarbonization of the power grid is estimated to cost a staggering US$4.5 trillion at the current state of technology, Wood Mackenzie said last year.
And these huge costs may not even be the biggest hurdle to overcome, according to WoodMac.
“Nimbyism – a not-in-my-back-yard attitude – is inevitable and forecasted increases in consumer energy costs may result in public backlash against aggressive climate change policies,” Dan Shreve, Head of Global Wind Energy Research at Wood Mackenzie, said in June 2019.
Governments and policymakers around the world face a tough balancing act between responding to the public’s growing concern over climate change and carefully planning energy transition strategies that would not alienate part of that same public from green projects.
Case in point: Norway plans stricter rules for onshore wind power installations, including turbine height and shorter project timelines, as it looks to respond to calls from the public to protect the environment when approving wind power development sites.
Germany’s plan toward incorporating more renewable energy, Energiewende, is not enthusiastically met by Germans, also because they are trusting politicians less. According to 6,500 people polled by the Potsdam Institute for Advanced Sustainability Studies (IASS), 78 percent of Germans said that the plan was expensive, 66 percent said it was chaotic, another 56 percent believe it was unfair, and 51 percent say it was elitist.
Can We Have Low-Carbon Grids Within Two Decades?
A recent report from the University of California, Berkeley, said that rapidly declining solar, wind, and storage prices make it entirely feasible for the U.S. to meet 90 percent of its power needs from zero-emission energy sources by 2035 with zero increases in customer costs from today’s levels.
Still, natural gas-fired generation will be needed for 10 percent of America’s power needs. According to the report, in 2035 it would be possible that “during normal periods of generation and demand, wind, solar, and batteries provide 70% of annual generation, while hydropower and nuclear provide 20%.”
Even with an exponential rise in renewable power generation, the U.S. grid will need nuclear power and hydropower to be stable with such a large share of solar and wind.
Nuclear power generation may be an option for countries with nuclear power plants and technology. But the others will have to rely on other sources for a stable grid, and like it or not, those are likely to be fossil fuels, especially natural gas.
Despite the growing environmental alarmism in industrialized nations, the world doesn’t have a common stance on decarbonizing power generation. Nor will it have any time soon, because every country is looking at its own economic and social costs and benefits of going green.
Despite the climate catastrophe or whatever other alarmist nouns activists use, today’s consumers will not give up on any modern-civilization services, appliances, or comfort, in order to return to the pre-industrial era just because solar and wind power are zero-carbon energy sources. After all, the Industrial Revolution happened because the world moved from an agriculture-dominated economy to an industrial economy, not because England was hell-bent on wrecking the climate 200 years later.
Consumers with ‘first-world problems’ want constant stable internet connection and cheap electricity. Many people in some parts of the world do not have any access to electricity.
Right now, fossil fuels are providing a large part of the world’s energy needs. The shift toward more renewable sources is already happening, but it will be gradual and slower than many environmentalists would have wanted.
By Tsvetana Paraskova for Oilprice.com
35 Comments on "Can Renewables Fully Sustain Our Current Way Of Life?"
Cloggie on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 3:31 pm
“Can Renewables Fully Sustain Our Current Way Of Life?“
Yes, eventually.
Proof:
https://deepresource.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/solar-energy-potential-768×581.png
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2018/12/29/the-scale-of-the-global-energy-transition/
Not that we should aim for it.
Outcast_Searcher on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 3:53 pm
We should actively head that way, and economies of scale will encourage lower pricing, as it has for decades, re wind and solar.
It will either tend to work and support itself over time, or it won’t.
If it won’t, then we get into the issue of how much to spend vs. cooking the planet. But if it will, as the cost curves are indicating it might, thus far, it’s good for everyone but the hydrocarbon companies and their supporters, which will, as always, fight any change tooth and nail, and endlessly spread misinformation.
And no, I don’t think we should blanket the planet with solar panels. For starters, we could never afford that, even without properly maintaining them.
DT on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 5:16 pm
No, renewables only exist because of industrial civilization burning fossil fuels to produce so called renewables.
zero juan on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 5:47 pm
more asshole:
DT said No, renewables only exist because of industrial ci…
More lunacy from asshole Davy the dishonest mentally ill retard on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 5:50 pm
zero juan on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 5:47 pm
Davy on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 5:55 pm
“Can Renewables Fully Sustain Our Current Way Of Life?“ Yes, eventually. Proof:
cloggo, talk is not proof. If that were the case your lipstick adorned flying pigs would be common occurrence.
DavySkum on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 5:59 pm
DavySkum, save the tired cliches for your POS blog.
More lunacy from asshole Davy the dishonest mentally ill retard on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 6:02 pm
Davy on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 5:55 pm
zero juan on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 6:04 pm
there you go asshole get angry! I love it.
More lunacy from asshole Davy the dishonest mentally ill retard said Davy on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 5:55 pm
REAL Green said Whats fuck wak meen Davyskum? luantic
DavySkum said DavySkum, save the tired cliches for your POS blog…
makati1 on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 6:09 pm
“Can Renewables Fully Sustain Our Current Way Of Life?”
Short answer: NO! NOT EVER! They will, possibly, support a non-tech lifestyle similar to the Middle Ages Serf’s, for a population less than 10% of today’s but anything else is techie wet dreams. As FFs go, so will the current lifestyle for the West.
Self-sustaining tech based renewables are impossible. I could recite the reasons, but the deniers will not pay attention and those who understand that statement don’t need proof. They can already reason that renewables are possible only as long as there are FFs to support them. When FFs go, so will most techie renewables.
BTW: a side note. FFs are already in decline and their profitability in the future is highly unlikely. EROEI (or $RO$I) is the clue. Even governments can operate at a loss for only a time.
REAL Green Hypocrite on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 6:09 pm
Projecting again, DavySkum.
the board on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 6:14 pm
look at the pussy JuanP, whine and moan.
the board on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 6:18 pm
juanita PPee, where is your menagerie of socks tonight, you stupid fuck?
zero juan on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 6:22 pm
The asshole is really triggered tonight. He does not have the time to play with his socks. LMFAO ii|ii
REAL Green Hypocrite said Projecting again, DavySkum.
More lunacy from asshole Davy the dishonest mentally ill retard said Davy on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 5:55 pm
REAL Green said Whats fuck wak meen Davyskum? luantic
DavySkum said DavySkum, save the tired cliches for your POS blog…
More stupid sock shit from Davy the bored luantic said zero juan on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 12:42 pm zero juan…
REAL Green Hypocrite said So true, anon. The DavySkum is really triggered to…
REAL Green said We spelt rore rong again Davy. Illeducated luantic…
Davy said I am the DavySkum, hear me roar.
More lunacy from delusional Davy the dishonest mentally ill retard said the board on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 5:49 pm
REAL Green Hypocrite said Dear DavySkym: Shut-up you nasty fuck.
More lunacy from asshole Davy the dishonest mentally ill retard said zero juan on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 5:47 pm
Davy on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 7:52 pm
I want my mommy!!
Whhaaa!
REAL Dumb on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 7:54 pm
Widdle davee wants his mommy.
LOL!
Triggered stupid fuck Davy menagerie of socks on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 8:08 pm
zero juan on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 5:47 pm
zero juan on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 6:04 pm
the board on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 6:14 pm
the board on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 6:18 pm
zero juan on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 6:22 pm
The Real Board on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 8:27 pm
look at the widdle pussy davy, whine and moan.
zero davy on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 9:09 pm
davyskum, where is your menagerie of goats and pigs tonight, you stupid cluck?
Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 8th Aug 2020 11:50 pm
“No, renewables only exist because of industrial civilization burning fossil fuels to produce so called renewables.“
More incompetent collapsenik layman’s rambling.
https://reneweconomy.com.au/scotland-to-reach-100-renewables-in-time-to-host-2020-climate-summit-60854/
“Scotland to reach 100% renewables in time to host 2020 climate summit“
With that 100% renewable electricity, Scotland can do anything, fossil-based lesser Gods can do: drive e-cars, trains, build wind turbines, solar panels, anything. Only in third-world USA you have still fossils who keep on claiming that wind and solar are “ff extenders”, where Europe and China are racing ahead to be the first to accomplish the 100% renewable energy transition.
DT on Sun, 9th Aug 2020 1:16 am
The e car future. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlQv8HCi0jA
makati1 on Sun, 9th Aug 2020 1:52 am
“More incompetent collapsenik layman’s rambling.”
No someone who lives in the real world, not the dream world you inhabit Cloggie. It’s called “REALITY”.
As FFs become too expensive to recover, any tech renewable energy will also contract. There is no “extra” energy to build out a world wide renewable system when there are billions in the world who still want a first world lifestyle and don’t give a damn or even know about any renewable dream. Your lifestyle is already contracting around you. This decade will end with a much smaller world economy and lifestyle for ALL. Be patient.
Stay on those drugs. You will need then when that 2×4 of realty smacks you to your knees. I’m downsizing to a comfortable level that can do without electric.
BTW: Ireland’s imports for last year…
Mineral fuels including oil: $6.3 billion (6.4%) A billion plus barrels of oil for what”? If they are 100% renewables…? and why import these if they can make then with their 100% “renewables”?
Aircraft, spacecraft: US$21.1 billion (21.5% of total imports)
Machinery including computers: $10.9 billion (11.1%)
Pharmaceuticals: $8.2 billion (8.4%)
Mineral fuels including oil: $6.3 billion (6.4%)
Electrical machinery, equipment: $5.8 billion (5.9%)
Organic chemicals: $5.7 billion (5.8%)
Vehicles: $4.2 billion (4.3%)
Optical, technical, medical apparatus: $3.1 billion (3.2%)
Plastics, plastic articles: $3.1 billion (3.1%)
Articles of iron or steel: $1.2 billion (1.2%)
http://www.worldstopexports.com/irelands-top-10-imports/
You are a very gullible unthinking person, Cloggie.
makati1 on Sun, 9th Aug 2020 2:06 am
Oops! I always get those UK countries mixed up. I was just reading an article on Ireland. lol
So, instead, read this about Scotland oil and gas:
https://www.gov.scot/news/oil-and-gas-
production-increases-4-6-percent-in-2018/
The claim to be 100% ELECTRIC renewable to 100% renewable ENERGY is like the distance Earth to the Moon
Do I have to list Scotland’s imports also? If they make everything with “renewable” energy, why import anything?
BTW: Things imported are just another form of ENERGY! LMAO
makati1 on Sun, 9th Aug 2020 2:24 am
Netherlands Top 10 Imports:
Mineral fuels including oil: US$98.5 billion (15.5% of total imports)
Electrical machinery, equipment: $94.3 billion (14.8%)
Machinery including computers: $84.9 billion (13.4%)
Vehicles: $36.9 billion (5.8%)
Pharmaceuticals: $32.6 billion (5.1%)
Optical, technical, medical apparatus: $27.9 billion (4.4%)
Plastics, plastic articles: $17.5 billion (2.8%)
Organic chemicals: $17 billion (2.7%)
Iron, steel: $11.8 billion (1.9%)
Other chemical goods: $9.9 billion (1.6%)
You don’t make them with your renewable energy? I like the first import..about two billion barrels for 17 million people. That comes to about 100+ barrels per person, per year . What did you do with your share? LOL
BTW: Filipinos use about TWO barrels a YEAR, per capita. THAT level is where you are headed. Be patient.
The Ballad of the Life of Davy & REAL Green Hypocrite on Sun, 9th Aug 2020 4:51 am
[The Ballad of DavyScum]
I feel scummy
Oh, so scummy
I feel scummy, and ugly and gay
And I pity
Any troll who isn’t me today
I feel scummy
Oh, so scummy
It’s alarming how scummy I feel
And so scummy
That I hardly can believe I’m real
See the scummy troll in that mirror there:
Who can that scummy troll be?
Such a lying face
Such an ugly dress
Such a hypocritical smile
Such a scummy me!
Davy on Sun, 9th Aug 2020 5:04 am
juanPee’s (bochen777) China:
“China’s Indo-Pacific Neighbors Stand Up To Its Hegemonic Ambitions”
https://www.theepochtimes.com/chinas-neighbors-in-the-indo-pacific-stand-up-to-its-hegemonic-ambitions_3447202.html
“After finding itself cornered over the handling of the novel coronavirus, appropriately named the “CCP virus,” China is embracing an offensive mode globally. The Chinese foreign ministry has now instructed its ambassadors to aggressively defend its interests and reputation, even if at the cost of diplomatic niceties. Following what has been named “wolf warrior” diplomacy, these diplomats are now actively pushing the Chinese regime’s agenda by employing the tools of attacks, fake news, propaganda, and conspiracy theories. However, countries around the world, instead of being cowed down, are now standing up to this diplomatic offensive and China’s hegemonic ambitions… Australia, which for years, has had a prosperous trade relationship with China and flourishing people-to-people contact, is now willing to take on the growing brazenness from Beijing… However, as Beijing continues to push the envelope, Jakarta has demonstrated that it’s no longer willing to be a docile witness to the former’s antics… Re-alignment caused by the Chinese aggressiveness is not just limited to its neighbors. In Europe, which has been touted by Beijing as the continent receiving the windfall from China’s ambitious infrastructure connectivity project, the Belt and Road Initiative, the consensus is emerging to counter China. Most recently, a new coalition of legislators from 16 European countries and the European Union was set up called the Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China… This push on political issues is matched by a growing squeeze on Chinese technology companies, which for years have had free rein in markets around the world by offering cheaper low-quality alternatives—hardware and software. However, it appears that Beijing’s hegemonic pursuits may have been nipped in the bud. Following India’s ban of more than 50 Chinese apps, the United States is contemplating a similar move. Besides, the United States, the UK, too, has made up its mind, as evident from its decision to exclude Huawei from its 5G network. France, too, is taking steps to restrict Huawei’s role in its telecom network. Even as the global community is united in its response to tackling the mess created by the CCP virus pandemic, Beijing is evidently on a different trip as its actions in Ladakh, the South China Sea, Taiwan, and Hong Kong demonstrate. U.S. officials have already described China as the “most dangerous military rival.” Unless Beijing takes steps to correct its mistakes, dial down its rhetoric, and address the disputes, it’s likely that this growing surge of anti-China sentiment may turn into a tsunami.”
Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 9th Aug 2020 5:43 am
“China’s Indo-Pacific Neighbors Stand Up To Its Hegemonic Ambitions”
https://www.theepochtimes.com/chinas-neighbors-in-the-indo-pacific-stand-up-to-its-hegemonic-ambitions_3447202.html”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times
The Epoch Times is an international multi-language newspaper and media company affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement, based in the United States.[4][5][6] The newspaper is part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty (NTD) Television.[7] The Epoch Times has websites in 35 countries[8] but is blocked in mainland China, whose government it investigates for human rights violations.
The Epoch Times is known to promote far-right politicians in Europe,[9][10] and it backs President Donald Trump in the U.S.; a 2019 report by NBC News showed it to be the second-largest funder of pro-Trump Facebook advertising after the Trump campaign. The Epoch Media Group’s news sites and YouTube channels have spread conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccination propaganda.[7][14][15] The organization frequently promotes other Falun Gong affiliated groups, such as the performing arts company, Shen Yun.
Davy on Sun, 9th Aug 2020 6:12 am
LOL, the cloggo is whining about far right news as needed when it interferes with his far right message. You can’t put a price on the cloggos hypocrisy. cloggo, the message stands. Nations are seeing the hegemonic policy can reacting. Your message of Anglo derangement is going to suffer as a consequence. Poor cloggo always on the wrong side of the issues becuase he lives in his fantasy world.
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DT on Sun, 9th Aug 2020 7:29 am
More solar powered utopia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izxt9uoZOIM
Lord Voldemort of Chaz on Sun, 9th Aug 2020 7:38 am
At dawn I peered out of my window through the most and saw Mr potato head this morning!
He had the covid 19 and was waving at me, he returns this evening no doubt to spread the evil covid sharts.
Be warned of the farting and shitting spud !, For it comes for you in the mists of dawn!
STFU POS juanPPee on Sun, 9th Aug 2020 7:41 am
give us a report on how hell is dumbfuck?
Lord Voldemort of Chaz said At dawn I peered out of my window through the most…
DT said More solar powered utopia….
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a PO converstion story said this is what supertard said Abraham van Helsing on…
An attack on a military base in the Somali capital, Mogadishu, has killed at least eight people and injured 14 others, officials say. on Sun, 9th Aug 2020 8:03 am
should ship muzzie FGM NASTY there
DT on Sun, 9th Aug 2020 8:57 pm
Yea for solar power https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EyRqQhuwio
Cloggie on Mon, 10th Aug 2020 12:55 pm
Australian university presents new method to desalinize sea water, using sun light:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2020/08/10/water-desalinization-with-sunlight/