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It’s time to make cars great again
The Trump administration wants to put you in a newer, better, safer and cleaner car sooner and for less money. In contrast, the state of California and its allies in the radical environmental movement want either to keep you in your clunker longer or to put you in a smaller, more expensive, less convenient electric vehicle for the sake of their so-called “green” agenda.
Who has the better pitch? Fresno is hosting a public hearing on Monday, September 24 on a proposed rulemaking that will help decide the matter.
In August, the Environmental Protection Agency and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration jointly proposed to rollback fuel economy standards for cars and light trucks issued by the Obama administration in 2012.
The Obama rules almost doubled fuel economy standards from 27 miles per gallon in 2012 to 55 MPG by 2025 – even though the technology to accomplish new 2025 standards didn‘t exist and still doesn’t. It’s not even on the drawing board.
As things stand now, the only way for carmakers to meet the Obama standards is to sell cars that most car buyers don’t really want – small cars and electric vehicles.
The Trump administration wants to pull the plug on the Obama plan and leave fuel economy standards where they are now, at about 35 MPG. The idea is to keep new car prices down so that more people can get into newer, safer cars that they want sooner and for less money – about $2,300 less on average, according to estimates from the EPA and NHTSA.
The average age of a car in the U.S. is 12 years. Aside from safety-compromising wear-and-tear on older cars, newer cars have improved technologies to keep drivers, their passengers and pedestrians safer. And, if you’re worried about the environment, newer cars emit fewer conventional air pollutants than older cars.
Why is any of this controversial? That’s a good question.
Federal fuel economy standards arose out of the oil embargoes and energy crisis of the 1970s. There were also concerns about so-called “Peak Oil” – the notion that we were running out of oil that was economically recoverable. But, all that has changed since the advent in the late-2000s of hydrofracturing technology that has left us awash in cheap oil and gas. We don’t even really need fuel economy standards anymore.
The state of California and radical green groups oppose the Trump proposal for the same reason the Obama administration issued it – global warming. More stringent fuel economy standards may reduce emissions of carbon dioxide, but not by much. EPA estimates that the difference in atmospheric CO2 levels by the year 2100 between the Obama and Trump is about 0.08 percent – that is, not even really measurable. The difference in average global temperature by 2100 works out to about 0.003 degrees Celsius. Again, that’s not even measurable.
A final reason California and its green allies oppose the proposed rule is that the Trump administration has proposed to revoke the Obama EPA-awarded right of California to set its own fuel economy standards.
Because carmakers don’t want to have to make two types of cars – one for California and another for other states – California has become the de facto fuel economy setter for the entire nation. This was an abuse of power by the Obama EPA that Congress never intended to occur.
The Trump proposal is called the Safe Affordable Fuel-Efficient Vehicles Rule. It’s all about consumer choice vs. pointless government dictates on the cars you and your family drive.
22 Comments on "It’s time to make cars great again"
Outcast_Searcher on Fri, 21st Sep 2018 10:22 pm
Typical position of climate denialists or those who suporting big oil.
Pretending things can’t change is a ludicrous position, looking at the past couple of centuries.
Why is moving to better MPG technology over time controversial? It shouldn’t be. We are, and it’s working.
Fortunately, whatever Trump rolls back in the name of climate change denial is likely to be reinstated by the dems in 2020. He can delay, but not derail the needed green revolution.
I AM THE MOB on Fri, 21st Sep 2018 11:19 pm
Outcast
Green revolution?
Solar and Wind produced less than one percent of total world energy in 2016 – IEA WEO 2017
https://www.iea.org/publications/freepublications/publication/KeyWorld2017.pdf
UC Davis Peer Reviewed Study: It Will Take 131 Years to Replace Oil with Alternatives
(Malyshkina, 2010)
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es100730q
University of Chicago Peer Reviewed Study: predicts world economy unlikely to stop relying on fossil fuels (Covert, 2016)
https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jep.30.1.117
Shortage of resources for renewable energy and food production (Rhodes 2011)
https://www.scribd.com/document/375501088/Shortage-of-resources-for-renewable-energy-and-food-production-Rhodes-2011
Top scientists show why powering US using 100 percent renewable energy is a delusional fantasy
http://energyskeptic.com/2017/big-fight-21-top-scientists-show-why-jacobson-and-delucchis-renewable-scheme-is-a-delusional-fantasy/
Cloggie on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 1:28 am
Millimind rebranded himself as “I am the mob”
Futile attempt at identity reset.
Cloggie on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 1:35 am
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-01-16/why-the-american-sedan-is-marked-for-death
“The American Sedan Is Dying. Long Live the SUV“
Hopeless.
makati1 on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 3:48 am
Cloggie, did I miss some radical event here? I was gone for a while and now there seems to be few of the old debaters left and a lot of new names? Ads for all kinds of things and a lot of unintelligent comments from the new guys. Even Davy only posts a few long winded comments which I still do not read. Are they all on vacation? lol
Cloggie on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 4:32 am
Davy and millimind are caving in under relentless pressure from all sides. Flight into fresh identities or even hijacking the “account” of Anonymous1.
Dutch proverb:
https://goo.gl/images/wuPxrn
(Dogged does)
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 5:34 am
Michael Moore: Are We Going to Be Like the “Good Germans” Who Let Hitler Rise to Power?
https://www.democracynow.org/2018/9/21/michael_moore_are_we_going_to
Anonymouse1 on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 5:44 am
Share some of your yiddish proverbs with the exceptionalturd when he comes in from the ‘field’ cloggraham. He appreciates that sort of thing, especially since you’re both inveterate dog-humpers that do nothing worth recounting. Swapping Old Testament memes (and spit), with one another, should keep you both busy for a good long while….
Davy on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 6:57 am
“Davy and millimind are caving in under relentless pressure from all sides. Flight into fresh identities or even hijacking the “account” of Anonymous1.”
Its obvious nederfraud you are the one playing the handle games with the gimp (anonymouse1). If I were to steal his handle why be so obvious? You are the obvious type to do that. You are also into unimaginative socks like sum. Both you and Billy are obsessive redundant creatures who are now mostly irrelevant with your extremist agenda. How many times can you regurgitate the same thing and act like it is new material. This is what worn out old men do. If I post less now it is because I am not stuck in a rut. I have tired of your drivel so I address it less. I address billy even less because all I need to do is go to Zerohedge and find the most anti-American article. The gimp and bonehead are not worth my time because they don’t say anything. They belong on Facebook not a blog concerned with intelligent articles. If either would say something intelligent I would debate them. So go ahead and talk your shit. What I will do is moderate and neuter nonsense from any of you when you do try to say something intelligent that is really just a lie. Finally, nederfraud, unlike billy who says he farms but is never at his fantasy farm I am busy now. Farming is seasonal and I have plenty to do now.
Davy on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 6:59 am
“Even Davy only posts a few long winded comments which I still do not read.”
Not hard to read you billy…”slip slidin and beat goes on”..LMFAO. At least I can say something at length when the topic calls for it.
Cloggie on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 7:27 am
“Its obvious nederfraud you are the one playing the handle games with the gimp (anonymouse1). If I were to steal his handle why be so obvious? ”
Correct, I said that both you and millimind were responsible for identity theft.
You with the SJW with the French nick (as the admin revealed) and of course Sum.
Millimind is indeed the most likely perp behind the theft of the nick of anonymous1.
Davy on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 7:42 am
“Correct, I said that both you and millimind were responsible for identity theft.”
nederfraud, you are the low budget IT guy who has way too much time to play here. You are drifting into irrelevance and struggling to feel an important contributor. Hint, more is not better if what you are saying is regurgitated copy and paste. Some of your noise dumps are years old. You attack me because I neuter your lies when I see them.
“You with the SJW with the French nick (as the admin revealed) and of course Sum.”
LOL, there has never been and admin post here nederliar. You are making shit up just like you do with your handle theft and sock activities. You are way off in the deep end these days. A word of advice, stick to the renewable topics. Get out of the unimaginative social media games. Drop the stupid fantasy political diatribes. Don’t talk finance or business because then you really look dumb and dutch.
Sum on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 8:22 am
Mr. Davy
Sir:
Yes, my friend, give the bad guys hell and tell them to shut-up. I must admit that you represent the type of intelligent, humorous, hard fighting, and correct in your analysis American for whom I have the greatest respect and admiration.
Davy on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 8:24 am
LOL
Cloggie on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 8:42 am
Davy-Sum talking to himself again, with only 2 minutes posting time difference.
Sir:
Yes, my friend, give the bad guys hell and tell them to shut-up. I must admit that you represent the type of intelligent, humorous, hard fighting, and correct in your analysis American for whom I have the greatest respect and admiration.
You are such a disgusting deceiver, Davy “sir”. And not very bright to boot. Totally dishonest and lacking integrity. Exactly as you behave when dealing with history or 9/11. It is empire advertising only with you. Now you use Sum to make the case for the mass murder of Iranians, which you wholehartedly support but do not dare to ventilate under your regular nick. Obviously a pretext needs to be found to expand the empire: “liberating the Iranians”.
Yuck.
Davy on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 8:48 am
“Sir:”
dead giveaway nederdummy
Outcast_Searcher on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 2:42 pm
Millimind, let’s pretend nothing can change. Let’s pretend green tech, battery tech, BEV tech, etc. isn’t improving. Let’s pretend that the percentage of growth rate for much of green tech. isn’t huge. Let’s pretend that a growth rate of 30% or 50% over time won’t mean a revolution.
As usual, you’re not credible, whatever you call yourself.
And mob mentality isn’t much good except for whining or causing destruction. How productive is that?
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 2:45 pm
Outcast
Batteries do not have enough energy density to compete with fossil fuels..
And hey here are seven peer reviewed scientific studies that conclude the global economy is going to collapse ie civilization in the nect decade..(Second to last slide)
https://imgur.com/a/pYxKa
Hey if you think all seven will be wrong, I guess we will have to disagree..
Outcast_Searcher on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 2:47 pm
After 40+ years of driving, it seems to me cars ARE getting pretty damn great, in comparison.
I now can buy a solid, reliable, middle class Japanese sedan for WAY under the average price of a new personal vehicle, and if I bother to comparison shop, dicker, and buy when demand is low, I can easily get the best car I’ve ever had due to technology and efficiency improvements.
Notice no cites, credible or not, by this article. Only fantasy, lying, distorting, etc.
Only the poorly educated and those unwilling to do a little research / fact verification will listen.
Free Speech Forum on Sun, 23rd Sep 2018 4:58 am
Americans used to have pride about living in a moral, peaceful, free country, but now that the US is an immoral bankrupt warmongering police state, Americans have given up.
Why do your best when your country now stands for everything it once opposed?
The US used to do well in the Olympics because Americans had pride in their country and wanted to do their best.
Instead of doing well in the Olympics because Americans could be rewarded with carrots, Americans will soon compete because they’re forced to with sticks like North Koreans are.
Antius on Sun, 23rd Sep 2018 12:30 pm
The car is a very wasteful form of transportation, both in terms of refined materials and fuel energy. We are heading into an era where all inputs are becoming more expensive and waste is less affordable.
It requires about 1.5 tonnes of refined metals and polymers to build a vehicle which will spend most of its life sitting on the tarmac and most of the remainder transporting just one person.
Then there is the fuel consumption. A relatively efficient car will do 50mpg. That is 4MJ per mile, or 2.5MJ per km.
Compare that with walking, which consumes ~350KJ per km for a heavy build man; or the electric velomobile which will consume 25KJ per km. The car consumes 100 times the energy per passenger mile as a shrouded electric bike.
Mark on Sun, 23rd Sep 2018 12:53 pm
Autos are becoming unaffordable for the majority of Americans, same for the infrastructure that they require. It’s not likely to matter much what Trump does. We’ll cling to “auto age” until the bitter end in the US, but our “hand is being forced”