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Some recent converts to nuclear energy advocacy are offended and confused by the fact that nuclear energy and coal have been lumped together in the Department of Energy’s recent effort to return profitable conditions to established power plants that do not depend on favorable weather or just-in-time natural gas fuel delivery.
A segment of the offended advocates were initially stimulated to learn more about nuclear energy because of their legitimate concerns about climate change and air pollution. As they learned more about the under-developed potential of nuclear fission power sources that can provide vast quantities of reliable electricity without releasing any CO2 or “criteria air pollutants” they became stronger advocates.
Many recognized that much of what they had been taught about nuclear energy was wrong. In some cases, they realized that some of the lessons that had been actively promoted were fabricated or exaggerated with the conscious purpose of slowing nuclear energy development.
It’s my opinion, slowly developed during many decades of deep interest in all aspects of the energy politics arena, that coal technology has been the target of a different, but similarly motivated misinformation campaign.
Unlike nuclear energy, coal is not an upstart power source trying to elbow its way into a huge, established energy industry populated by large, well-connected power players with hundreds of billions in capital investments to protect.
Coal’s position is almost completely opposite. It was once such a dominant power source that its nickname was King Coal. It fed fuel-hungry navies, locomotives, transoceanic shipping, home heating, town gas production facilities, industrial heat supply and electrical power generation.
Its corporate leaders were titans like Andrew Carnegie. It employed millions of skilled workers, often locked into dangerous jobs with insufficient pay and poor working conditions. Those workers eventually recognized that they had serious political and economic clout if they joined together. The titans worked hard to maintain their control, so the organized assertion efforts occasionally devolved into pitched and bloody battles.
In the mid 19th century, petroleum (including natural gas) became increasingly available. Drilling technology advanced rapidly; rail, tankers and pipelines moved massive quantities of combustible fuel; and titans like the Nobel brothers, John D. Rockefeller and Henry Flagler organized the industry into a force powerful enough to take on King Coal.
Their product had some superior features, but coal was well established and sported some advantages of its own. It was more widely distributed around the world than petroleum, it was easier to stockpile, and it was cheaper to transport via bulk rail and ships.
Economies around the world were growing rapidly and demanding more power, so both sources of combustible hydrocarbons had room to grow. Overall demand growth did not stop pitched economic and political battles for sales and dominance in certain markets and at certain times.
Fuel customers generally benefitted from the competitive situation because no fuel source could unilaterally impose its prices or delivery terms without taking a risk of losing sales. Marketing pitches from many suppliers often included negative information about competitors as part of the message aimed at convincing customers to make favorable purchase decisions.
One of petroleum’s primary advantages over coal was the fact that it burned a bit cleaner than coal, though both sources of heat needed numerous inventions over time to make them gradually less noxious. A more subtle financial advantage for the suppliers was the fact that liquid and naturally gaseous fuels had were naturally less labor intensive.
That characteristic shifted the power balance, moving it a long way in the direction of the capital suppliers and away from organized labor.
The more concentrated nature of petroleum deposits, while a disadvantage from the point of view of places that had no natural endowments, created the potential for unheard of wealth and power for individuals, multinational corporations and controlling nations.
Before nuclear energy was commercially available, petroleum marketers began funding and working closely with anti pollution groups to push coal out of an increasing number of markets, including rail transportation, home heating, and ocean ship propulsion. The messaging rarely acknowledged the advances that engineers were making in their effort to capture and control various pollutants released from coal smokestacks.
Anticoal and antinuclear marginalization efforts have intensified since the development and refinement of unconventional petroleum extraction technology often lumped under the pejorative term of “fracking.” Technology improvements such as diamond drill bits, Big Data processing, sensors, horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing procedures have all combined to provide access to massive reservoirs.
Aggressive, entrepreneurial developers naturally want to make use of the technology and to continue to improve it to gain cost advantages over competitors. However, energy customers have been trained for many decades to restrain their energy consumption. Slack demand growth and rapidly growing production have led to an oversupply situation and a more pressing need to take action to restore balance.
It’s natural for all participants to seek outcomes that are beneficial to their own interests and also natural for most participants to focus on near term indicators.
It shouldn’t surprise anyone to learn that “going negative” on competitors is an increasingly popular strategic move. It also should surprise no one to learn that some of the players in the game have invested decades worth of effort in laying the foundations of the aggressive negative campaigns.
Enormous multinational gas and oil interest groups are highly movivated to grab markets for their products from both nuclear energy and coal. They know that negative messages demonizing their competition will have more profitable long term results than positive efforts to grow the energy market. They are also well aware of the increased effectiveness of negative messages that come from seemingly independent sources.
They may be interested in efforts to enable an ever growing share of the world’s population to use more power, but they’d prefer for power demand to increase in an environment with fewer choices and less competition. That would be a market characterized by higher prices and greater profits.
It is undoubtedly true that some coal-burning power plants are obsolete and far dirtier than other alternatives.
A less well understood truth is that advanced coal combustion technologies can produce power that is as clean or cleaner than a significant segment of natural gas power plants. Modern coal technology can have real economic and environmental advantages over simple cycle gas turbines valued for their rapid response capability and over dual fuel power plants that burn distillate fuel when gas prices skyrocket.
But coal isn’t limited to being a direct combustion fuel. It can be refined into almost as wide a range of products as crude oil can produce. When paired with nuclear fission heat, the processes can be as clean as those used to refine petroleum. With design and business model refinements, that fission heat can be substantially less costly than the traditional sources used in petrochemical production plants.
Many long time nuclear advocates appredicate the inherent cleanliness of nuclear energy. We are happy to share the knowledge that nuclear fission is clean enough to run inside sealed buildings or submarines.
We are pleased to share our understanding of the important fact that the life-cycle CO2 emissions from conventional nuclear power plants average out to be roughly equal to those of wind turbines. We don’t talk enough about the fact that we can do even better than that with advanced nuclear technology.
But cleanliness isn’t the only advantage that nuclear fission has over its competitors.
Speaking for myself and a few long-time acquaintances, at least some of us became excited about nuclear energy because we were motivated to empower our fellow humans. We wanted to spread access to the same kind of readily affordable and abundant energy that was available in the U.S. before 1973. We appreciate the freedom of movement, creature comforts and convenience enough to recognize that others would also enjoy them.
We learned that multinational petroleum interests could not be trusted with the power and control that they had achieved over our modern economies and ways of life.
My 33 year career in the U.S. Navy has reinforced my view of the importance of abundant domestic energy to improve the lot of human beings and to reduce the sources of friction between nations.
Coal remains a widely distributed and affordable natural resource that can be used to improve human well-being. Of course, there is a need for technological development to improve its environmental impacts. It is likely that the annual production rate of raw coal will shrink, but improved coal might become a more prosperous enterprise.
I’m proud to be linked with coal advocates who are also motivated to provide abundant, affordable energy from known resources that will last for centuries, especially if used responsibly. There are many ways in which coal plus nuclear fission can produce abundant clean energy and useful raw materials for human prosperity.
It’s also nice to see that interests that have been quietly cooperating for years have been maneuvered into a more open, transparent alliance.
Multinational petroleum interests and multinational unreliables (aka renewables) promoters have joined together with groups that self-identify as “consumer advocates” or “environmental groups.” They are leading the opposition to proposed electricity market changes that will restore reasonable and just pricing for reliable power sources that do not burn natural gas. I am happy to have the opportunity to engage in a more factual conversation about advantages and disadvantages of available power sources.
It’s more fair and has a better potential for beneficial outcomes than trying to fight propaganda battles with heavily armed opponents who can buy ink by the bucket and air time by the month.
14 Comments on "Synergies Between Nuclear Energy and Coal"
Antius on Mon, 11th Dec 2017 3:00 pm
Couldn’t have put it better, apart from all that crap about coal. The good thing about nuclear energy is that it removes the need for the use of fossil fuels and provides low cost energy without cooking the planet. Intermittent energy cannot do that. It needs fossil fuel backup – storage makes it unaffordable.
Cloggie on Mon, 11th Dec 2017 3:14 pm
multinational unreliables (aka renewables)
Haha, very funny, those army chaps.
And who is champion unreliables?
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/04/01/national/real-cost-fukushima-disaster-will-reach-%C2%A570-trillion-triple-governments-estimate-think-tank/#.Wi7y6kriaiM
Total damage: $626 billion
That kind of money could have bought a Japanese-wide energy base, based on reliable unreliables.
It needs fossil fuel backup – storage makes it unaffordable.
That’s a statement based on nothing.
Here the truth:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/09/16/blueprint-100-renewable-energy-base-for-germany/
Operational cost 100% renewable energy base for Germany, based on a Fraunhofer Institute optimization study, calculating the renewable energy configuration with minimal costs: 119 billion euro/year. Additional required cost: thorough renovatition of all buildings for thermal efficiency. The cost of a 100% renewable energy system is roughly the same as what Germany has now.
Antius on Mon, 11th Dec 2017 3:49 pm
So, $626bn is a fortune, for something that might happen once every thousand years, but €119bn per year is affordable?
That’s Cloggie logic. I just invented a new phrase!
Apneaman on Mon, 11th Dec 2017 4:00 pm
“The cost of a 100% renewable energy system is roughly the same as what Germany has now.”
No that is an estimate and does not matter since it’s not happening and never will.
Germany is a lying, cheating coal & gas & diesel burning, CO2 & sulfer spewing Cancer.
Cloggie on Mon, 11th Dec 2017 4:09 pm
So, $626bn is a fortune, for something that might happen once every thousand years
You are so right, Chernobyl happened during the reign of Richard the Lionheart.
Germany is a lying, cheating coal & gas & diesel burning, CO2 & sulfer spewing Cancer.
Not nearly as bad as Canada, as I have shown you recently, you little hater.
http://www.eurocanadian.ca/2017/12/justin-trudeau-traitorous-disgrace.html
Antius on Mon, 11th Dec 2017 5:28 pm
‘You are so right, Chernobyl happened during the reign of Richard the Lionheart.’
Chernobyl was a primitive reactor, built to Soviet standards.
But lets say I am wrong about the safety levels of new design reactors and we get a Fukushima scale accident somewhere in the world every 30 years of so. Let’s assume we do nothing to evacuate the area or decontaminate high radiation levels. We could be looking at 20,000 early deaths every 30 years due to radioactive pollution. That’s about 700 per year on a global scale.
How does that compare to other causes of death?
-Air pollution deaths, much of it fossil fuel = 7 million per year. 10,000 times more than would die of radiation pollution.
-Smoking related deaths: 480,000 per year in the US and 7 million per year worldwide, some 890,000 of which are due to passive smoking.
-Car related deaths = 1.3 million per year, plus at least an order of magnitude more debilitating injuries.
-Deaths due to sugary drinks: 184,000 per year, including 25,000 in the US alone.
-Alcohol related deaths: 2.5 million per annum.
-Cold: 317,000 per year.
-Hunger: 36 million per year.
I could go on, but sensible people should get the picture. The last two figures should illustrate the point particularly well. If lack of energy increases the number of cold deaths per year by 0.2%, that alone would exceed the number of deaths due to radioactive pollution if we had a Fukushima every 30 years and did nothing about it.
If nuclear power can help us produce enough extra food to reduce the number of hunger deaths worldwide by 0.002%, then it would offset the tiny risk of nuclear accidents.
And that is assuming we don’t adopt passively safe reactors, which would be more than a little silly, given that we have the technology now.
How will the number of cold deaths and starvation deaths be effected, if energy costs several times more than it does today? It is no exaggeration to say that a renewable energy transition would kill millions.
Apneaman on Mon, 11th Dec 2017 6:08 pm
clog, dumb long winded article full of factual errors and is just a lengthy way of saying ‘I don’t like him’.
I don’t like him either, but if he died not one fucking thing that matters in Canada would change.
Canada went from Harper, who was a conservatard Jesus freak and true believer neo liberal (2 religions in one) to sweet boy Justin. Nothing major changed. The decline continues.
Unlike you clog, I understand enough of how the world works and know that none of these political monkey puppets matter. They are interchangeable parts, just like you and I, in massive highly complex national systems that that are modules in an ever greater complex global system that no one is in charge of or fully understands.
Go Speed Racer on Tue, 12th Dec 2017 2:40 am
I know everybody on the website lately
doesn’t want to hear anything scientific
or logical, but here goes.
Nuclear doesn’t ramp up and down very well.
So don’t plan on using nuclear plants for
compensating against variable loads like
windmills.
Reactors have to run at a steady power
level. If ya try to reduce power abruptly
it “poisons” the reactor and it shuts down.
For those of y’all that want to surf the
web learning something new and interesting
try this link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_poison
For the rest of y’all who dont want to
see anything intelligent, stick with this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIN8Q_4iaxU
DerHundistlos on Tue, 12th Dec 2017 6:11 am
@ Antius
And what exactly is the benefit of exacerbating the global human population from 83.298.000 million annually to 83.515.000 by eliminating cold deaths?
Antius on Tue, 12th Dec 2017 6:44 am
‘And what exactly is the benefit of exacerbating the global human population from 83.298.000 million annually to 83.515.000 by eliminating cold deaths?’
I would imagine that not dying from cold is a big benefit to people that would not otherwise be alive.
My point is that expensive energy has consequences of its own. Cloggie is against further nuclear expansion partly because he fears the consequences of nuclear accidents. Yet that small risk could easily be dwarfed by deaths from other causes if energy becomes less abundant or if we continue polluting the air with smoke from fossil fuels.
Davy on Tue, 12th Dec 2017 7:11 am
“Austrian Explosion Rattles Europe’s Gas Market”
https://tinyurl.com/yd3j75g8
“Natural gas and power prices jumped in Europe after an explosion at one of the continent’s biggest gas hubs further tightened supplies during a cold snap.”
“A blast about 9 a.m. at the Baumgarten compressor station in Austria injured at least 18 people and left one missing and presumed dead, interrupting flows at one of the main points where Russian natural gas enters Europe. The facility about 50 kilometers (31 miles) northeast of Vienna transports the equivalent of a 10th of Europe’s gas demand. Italy said it will declare a gas emergency.”
”It is the worst possible time for a big gas hub to burn, since capacity is needed ahead of the winter and it changes the expectations of how much gas there will be available,” said Arne Bergvik, the chief analyst at Swedish utility Jamtkraft AB. “If weather turns colder and capacity is unavailable, it will absolutely drive up power prices.”
Sissyfuss on Tue, 12th Dec 2017 10:26 am
Davy, sounds as though we’re going from supply and demand to supply and panic. And Antimae, in times of human overshoot, using the the argument of keeping the population at higher levels as a positive is specious at best.
Davy on Tue, 12th Dec 2017 11:00 am
Yea, siss, we are surely going to have situations in the future where supply shocks occur. I personally think we have been extremely lucky so far we have not had disruption to vital supply networks. In this time of extreme weather and overextension of supply lines of food, fuel, and water surely one day there is going to be panic. Then there is always an extreme event with the economy. Of course war is ever present possibility. It is only reasonable and rational to see this. Instead of acknowledging this we have techno optimist saying there is nothing to worry about and it’s party time.
Antius on Tue, 12th Dec 2017 11:26 am
‘Davy, sounds as though we’re going from supply and demand to supply and panic. And Antimae, in times of human overshoot, using the the argument of keeping the population at higher levels as a positive is specious at best.’
Sissyfuss, whilst your point is logical from a whole planetary systems perspective, it is grim indeed that we allow ourselves to see mass starvation and cold deaths as a positive outcome. It is a short step from deliberately allowing someone to die, to making sure of it. Think gas chambers; with Soylent Green factories built on the end of them. As soon as someone is deemed to be not useful, or they get too old or they are the wrong colour, whatever, the sandman cometh. I don’t want my children or anyone’s children to live in a world like that and I am going to do what I can to make sure they don’t have to.
There are alternatives. Fertility rates are declining across the world, the civilised bits at least. Over a relatively short period of time, decades at the most, human numbers are going to decline for reasons that have more to do with way of life than resource constraints.
And there is one other option that is not as absurd as many people seem to assume that it is. Thanks to the likes of Musk and Bezos, the cost of launching people and materials into space is dropping every year and is now at least an order of magnitude lower than it would have been in the 1990s. In space, not too far from Earth, there are millions of asteroids packed full of just about every element on the periodic table, including many that are rare on Earth. When you factor in uninterrupted sunlight, humanity could have access to practically unlimited materials, energy and living space without ever harming anything else. All it would take now is enough people prepared to push in the right direction.