The new secretary of state? The CEO of ExxonMobil. The new head of the EPA? Part of a secretive alliance with fossil fuels companies. But those two are just the oily tip of the power oil, gas, and coal are building within the Trump administration.
The oil, gas and coal industries are amassing power throughout Washington — from Foggy Bottom, where ExxonMobil chief executive Rex Tillerson is Trump’s nominee to be secretary of state, to domestic regulatory agencies including the departments of Energy and Interior as well as the Environmental Protection Agency. …
A slew of Obama administration policies on fossil fuels are expected to be reversed after Trump is sworn into office on Jan. 20. Eliminating these regulations — which limit carbon emissions on power plants and restrict oil, gas and coal extraction — would represent major gains for the industry.
Don’t expect any of these changes to create jobs. Oil and gas prices are already so low that drilling companies are idle and 160 oil companies have filed for bankruptcy in the last year. Those low gas prices have closed 300 coal-burning power plants, so there’s not going to be any burst of work on that side of the line.
At a rally Tuesday night in West Allis, Wis., Trump vowed to “eliminate all wasteful job-killing regulations. On energy, we will cancel the restrictions on the production of American energy, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean beautiful coal.”
What both industries will gain isn’t jobs. It’s profit.
shortonoil on Thu, 15th Dec 2016 8:01 pm
“Coal companies will find it easier to fill streams with waste from mountaintop removal.”
The authority to allow that will rest with the States. Support your local Congressmen. Trump is getting the Federal Government out of jurisdictions that belong to the States. The American people wanted a businessman; they got one.
makati1 on Thu, 15th Dec 2016 8:07 pm
If you ever read “Dune” you would soon recognize that the U$ is becoming the heartland of Giedi Prime.
“Giedi Prime is an industrial wasteland with a low photosynthetic potential, the planet’s bio-resources depleted and its environment fouled with industrial pollution.”
The only resources left in the lower 48 are in the National Parks…and they will be sacrificed to the Capitalist God, Mammon (material wealth or possessions especially as having a debasing influence).
Asia may be bad, but Americans have no idea how much worse their own country is. They are afraid to publish the level of pollution in their water, air and soil. Just because it is not visible does not mean that it is not there. Think lead in the water, chemicals in the food, radioactivity in the soil, and on and on…
Midnight Oil on Thu, 15th Dec 2016 8:56 pm
Are we supposed to be surprised?
Did anyone think of what he meant of making America Great Again?
Thank you Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein, and Anthony Weiner, who is broke now due to his creepy tweets!
Trump could at least provide Weiner with a decent job of Presidential Tweeter…and bring another clown in his inner circle.
shortonoil on Thu, 15th Dec 2016 9:16 pm
The only resources left in the lower 48 are in the National Parks…and they will be
sacrificed to the Capitalist”
The US exports more corn and soy beans that rest of the world combined. When the US stops exporting food the rest of the world starves. The end of the oil age will produce a lot of very hungry people.
Anonymous on Thu, 15th Dec 2016 9:46 pm
When has the uSgov *not*, not been dominated by oil corps….
makati1 on Thu, 15th Dec 2016 9:48 pm
short, dream on. The U$ is not the largest wheat exporter. Russia is by 3.5 million tons per year. And increasing. The U$ exports about 15% of the total wheat exported by all countries.
Us wheat would be hardly missed by the importing countries, but would kill the American farmers if they could not export.
The U$ registers even lower in percentage of soy exported. Not missed, but again, it would devastate the farmers in the U$ if they could not export.
http://www.indexmundi.com/agriculture/?commodity=wheat&graph=exports
More “we are indispensable” American bullshit. You better stick to oily subjects.
makati1 on Thu, 15th Dec 2016 9:51 pm
BTW: Corn exports is only about 40% of world corn exports. Not “more than the rest of the world combined. And corn is NOT the most important export grain crop, wheat is.
rockman on Thu, 15th Dec 2016 11:42 pm
“…and restrict oil, gas and coal extraction…??? US coal production from govt leases administered by President Obama account for 40% of the total. US coal production reached an all time high record during President Obama’s term. US coal exports reached the highest level during President Obama’s terms then under any other POTUS in history. US coal exports to China (the largest producer of GHG) increased 500% under President Obama. President Obama planned on increasing those exports by authorizing his Corps of Engineers to build 3 new coal export tertminals on the west coast. But delayed by local opposition President Obama expedited approval of the expansion of Texas coal export terminals. As a result last month for the first time ever coal was railed from western leases and exported from Texas.
US oil production increased more under President Obama then during the presidency of any other POTUS in history. During President Obama’s second term US oil producers generated their highest revenue in history. During President Obama’s two terms the number of rigs drilling for oil increased 8X from 200 to 1,600…the highest level in 24 years. President Obama offered more offshore acreage for lease then any other POTUS in history. During President Obama’s time in office offshore Gulf of Mexico govt leases produced more oil (570 million bbls) then during any other year in history. Imports of the “dirtest oil in the world” (Canadian tar sands) increased to a record high during President Obama’s administration. This was accomplished by the completion of the southern leg of the Keystone XL pipeline. The section that President Obama PUBLICLY stated was so critical to the US economy that he ordered his departments to expedite the process. As a result of those imports more refined oil products were being exported during President Obama’s second term then during any other presidency. During President Obama’s time in office oil transported by the more dangerous rail method increased 50X. During President Obama’s second term US oil imports reached the lowest level in 20 years. During President Obama’s second term US oil exports reached the highest level in history, 70% higher then the previous record. During President Obama’s second term US NG production reached the highest level in history. During President Obama’s second term US NG exports reached the highest level in history.
The oil, NG and coal industries prospered more during President Obama’s time in office then during that of any other POTUS in history. IMHO President-elect Trump will have difficulty matching President Obama’s record let alone exceeding it.
Plantagenet on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 12:02 am
Rockman is 100% right. US oil production increased by 5 million bbls/day under Obama. Its highly unlikely Trump will be able to improve on that.
dave thompson on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 12:22 am
Even without regulations I can not see FF production increasing very much until the price and scarcity/demand increases. The FF in the US that are left and unexploited are mostly expensive and hard to produce. The only real result I can see is faster depletion of what little remains viable to produce.
GregT on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 12:23 am
“US oil production increased by 5 million bbls/day under Obama.”
Obama the omnipotent, most incredible president ever.
One really must wonder however, how a mere mortal who spends so much of his time on the golf course, could possibly have as much control over the other 7.39 billion people as Obama does. What a truly amazing man. He deserves yet another Nobel prize.
Cheers!
makati1 on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 1:40 am
Plant needs to take a look at this chart. Especially the last part of the chart at 2015 to 2016 and see the sudden drop in production that is continuing today.
Also take a good look at the light green bar near the bottom that shows Russia’s production for the same period. No signs of reduction there.
http://crudeoilpeak.info/wp-content/uploads/World_Incremental_crude_production_2000-May2016_wnumbres.jpg
More bullshit from the oily industry.
Davy on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 5:28 am
Another stupid article that draws out multiple agendas that do not connect or conform to reality. It is a great article for hypocrites to embrace in.
Revi on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 7:44 am
Wow! Great chart Makati 1! Look at how Canada is decreasing also! North America is about to experience a drastic drop in production, if the present trends hold up.
makati1 on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 8:18 am
Revi, that is correct. I don’t see any chance of a long term increase in crude production of any kind in North America in the future. A few blips but nothing lasting. Especially if the price drops and stays below cost, as appears likely.
The economic war is heating up and the U$ is holding a losing hand. Few Americans are aware that most of the important parts for the electronics they use, pass thru China or originate there. A trade war is going to open some eyes when things disappear from the shelves or double in price because of tariffs. But, that’s another fact they don’t want to face. lol
Apneaman on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 8:37 am
2016 to be hottest year globally
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/2016-to-be-hottest-year-globally-20161215
ExxonMobil CEO Relieved It Finally Too Late To Do Anything About Climate Change
‘We Really Dodged A Bullet There,’ Says Executive
“The 64-year-old petroleum executive, who acknowledged that throughout his career he had feared the public might take action to curb rising temperatures by imposing emissions restrictions or mandating a switch to alternative energy, said he was just happy that the window for avoiding the planet’s environmental destruction had closed, and that the entire industry was now free to carry on as usual.”
http://www.theonion.com/article/exxonmobil-ceo-relieved-it-finally-too-late-do-any-52732
Sissyfuss on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 8:43 am
Nero is soon to be implanted in the White House, his fiddle at his side. His music will not only accompany the burning of the new Roman Empire but of the entire planet as well.
Apneaman on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 8:46 am
Incredibly thin Arctic sea ice shocks researchers
Rare winter expedition near northern Norway finds weak ice that is increasingly vulnerable to storms.
“A daring 2015 expedition that collected rare measurements of the Arctic in winter found that sea ice near the North Pole was thinner and weaker than expected.
“This thinner and younger ice in the Arctic today works very differently than the ice we knew,” says Mats Granskog, a sea-ice researcher at the Norwegian Polar Institute in Tromsø and chief scientist on the expedition, called the Norwegian Young Sea Ice (N-ICE2015) project. “It moves much faster. It breaks up more easily. It’s way more vulnerable to storms and winds.”
http://www.nature.com/news/incredibly-thin-arctic-sea-ice-shocks-researchers-1.21163
Apneaman on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 8:56 am
There’s a giant crater in East Antarctica, and it’s very bad news
Antarctica is more vulnerable than we thought.
http://www.sciencealert.com/there-s-a-giant-crater-in-east-antarctica-and-it-s-very-bad-news
Apneaman on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 9:09 am
New weird landforms appear due to thawing permafrost on Yamal peninsula
“The sudden appearance of giant blowout craters changing the Yamal landscape has been documented in recent years, while on on Belyy Island, off the peninsula’s coast, previously rock hard from permafrost has been seen ‘bubbling’ or ‘trembling’ with measurements indicating it is leaking methane and carbon dioxide, according to scientists.
Now experts have pointed to quick-forming deep ravines and startling landslides which are altering the shape of this gas-rich Arctic region.
Specialists at company Gazprom Dobycha Nadym have identified no less than 150 geological features on Yamal believed to be linked to thawing ice layers within the permafrost, it is understood.”
http://siberiantimes.com/science/casestudy/news/n0817-more-weird-landforms-appear-due-to-thawing-permafrost-on-yamal-peninsula/
Davy on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 9:10 am
Is Nero better or worse than Medusa?
Davy on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 9:22 am
This leadership is what Nero is replacing:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-16/putin-lashes-out-obama-show-some-proof-or-shut
How much worse is Nero?
Let’s start the holidays out Obama style with WWIII becuase his cabal can’t handle losing. Have a nice time Obama in a Hawaii you climate change hypocrite. Talk about one Mothher of a carbon drenched golf trip!
Maybe the new Rome should burn!
Apneaman on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 9:27 am
Nero was a real psycho leader of the empire whose decisions had many real and negative consequences for real humans and their children.
Medusa is a figment of the human’s imagination.
Something to do with insecure men who fear women?
Apneaman on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 9:35 am
Scientists are sounding the alarm: the permafrost threatens the ozone layer of the Earth
The permafrost ceases to be eternal due to global warming. She melts, releasing from their cold depths of the reserves of methane, the atmospheric concentration of which, according to conservative estimates, over the past 150 years has increased more than 3 times.
http://all.true-news.info/scientists-are-sounding-the-alarm-the-permafrost-threatens-the-ozone-layer-of-the-earth/
rockman on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 9:48 am
Mak – “Especially the last part of the chart at 2015 to 2016 and see the sudden drop in production that is continuing today.” Mucho thanks, amigo. I forgot to give credit to President Obama for forcing oil prices down thanks to his support of oil companies (which are still receiving higher revenue at today’s prices then at anytime prior to his presidency) increasing production. Lower prices which have greatly reduced the amount of environmentally damaging frac’ng taking place.
One hell of a POTUS: brought the country closer to energy independence then any other POTUS in history. And highest sustained oil revenue for the oil patch and employment in history. And then once “mission accomplished” drove fossil prices down faster then any other POTUS in history and reduced the environmental destructive drilling/frac’ng activity faster the any other POTUS in history.
Perhaps if Secretary Clinton had tried to hang on to President Obama’s energy coat tails and garnered more conservative support she might be the current president-elect.
BTW the news just leaked: every Christmas for the last 8 years Rex Tillerson has sent a congratulatory fruit cake to President Obama. Sounds like a true “bro-mance” developed between them.
Cloggie on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 10:36 am
Global Lukewarming:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5M1qtN62yk
Lecture Royal Society London, two months ago. Warning: speaker and public are all European (“white”), probably vote right from Trotsky, don’t own refugee shacks in Manila and don’t have One World political agenda’s, unlike the unwashed and unkempt who promote catastrophic climate change.
Matt Ridley:
“Global warming is not challenged”
“Climate change is not challenged”
“Experts on the future don’t exist”
“Climate alarmists have a vested interest in alarmism”
“Most models exaggerate global warming”
“Less than 0.5C degree global warning in half a century”
“Dangerous levels of global warming are at least a century away”
“The correlation between CO2 levels and resulting global warming is logarithmic and can’t result in catastrophic global warming”
“Global warming is 1C increase per DOUBLING of CO2 levels, not linear”
(so the worst temperature increase is already behind us)
“Increased CO2 levels have great environmental advantages as it greens the earth”
“Global warming and climate change are minor issues, distracting from real environmental problems: ocean acidification, over-fishing, hunting, deforestation for wood-fuel”
Matt Dudley looks like someone who has voted for a Conservative Party at least once in his life, where climate change alarmists like Gro Harlem Brundtlandt and All Gore are almost always globalist commies, smelling a change for global governance via climate change action.
This is for the first time that the subject of fossil fuel and climate change is treated with humor, as can be expected from a conservative Brit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Ridley
Provocative statement: SUV-drivers are modern day Robin Hood’s as they spend a considerable part of their income to CO2 production which greens the earth.
#DevilsAdvocate
Cloggie on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 10:48 am
George Carlin on Global Warming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4
Apneaman on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 11:00 am
ClogO, Mat Riddly is a journalist and a Conservative hereditary peer in the House of Lords., not an earth scientists and you need to work on your english comprehsion skills if you think Carlin was denying AGW – he wasn’t. His point was that the humans are arrogant pricks. Too fucking stupid to comprehend that eh? Good.
As far as I’m concerned the only good deniers are dead deniers, so keep up the good work.
The deadly wildfires in the foothills of the Great Smoky Mountains area near Gatlinburg, Tennessee, caused an estimated $500 million in damage, local officials said Tuesday. The blaze claimed the lives of 14 people.
http://www.ibtimes.com/gatlinburg-wildfires-damage-cost-officials-estimate-deadly-blaze-caused-500-million-2460150
“Surreal” U.S. Wildfires Should Not be Burning in Mid-November
https://robertscribbler.com/2016/11/17/surreal-u-s-wildfires-should-not-be-burning-in-mid-november/
Denier Inferno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_sY2rjxq6M
Dredd on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 11:04 am
Prick oil is my favorite 1950 ideology site (We Hold These Truths to be Self-Evident).
It is down right alt right right now.
Apneaman on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 11:06 am
George Carlin : The Truth About Republicans
“Though out of date, this video is timeless in its analysis of the American right wing.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxQclbn9YGI
George Carlin: Conservatives
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd-GaTJ-vgo
Apneaman on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 11:10 am
George Carlin – “I Gave Up On My Species” – We Are Circling The Drain
“George Carlin talks about the decline of our species and what he calls “circling the drain”.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsFpm4yAoMQ&t=187s
The only thing George had wrong was the timeline.
Apneaman on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 11:25 am
ClogO
Matthew Ridley
Background
“Ridley was the chairman of Northern Rock, a UK Bank until 2007, during which time the bank experienced the country’s first bank run in 140 years. Ridley resigned and the UK Government bailed out the bank, leading to the Nationalization of Northern Rock. Ridley was responsible, according to parliament’s Treasury select committee, for a “high-risk, reckless business strategy” which the bank was able to pursue as the result of a “substantial failure of regulation” by the state.”
“Ridley is an advisor to the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF), a group run by climate change skeptic Nigel Lawson. The GWPF describes themselves as “deeply concerned about the costs and other implications” of policies designed to mitigate man-made climate change. [10]”
“Coal Interests
Matt Ridley released the following statement in 2014 regarding his interests in the Coal industry: [12]
“I have a financial interest in coal mining on my family’s land. The details are commercially confidential, but I have always been careful to disclose that I have this interest in my writing when it is relevant; I am proud that the coal mining on my land contributes to the local and national economy; and that my income from coal is not subsidized and not a drain on the economy through raising energy prices. I deliberately do not argue directly for the interests of the modern coal industry and I consistently champion the development of gas reserves, which is a far bigger threat to the coal-mining industry than renewable energy can ever be. So I consistently argue against my own financial interest.”
Talking with The Guardian, Friends of the Earth (FoE) campaigner Guy Shrubsole said: “We think it’s worrying that climate sceptic Viscount Ridley should be using his privileged position in the Lords to argue against renewable energy, whilst lobbying to benefit a coal industry he has a significant financial interest in. [13]
“Ridley has always maintained his own coal interests are immaterial to his climate sceptic views and political activities,” Shrubshole said. “This disclosure paints a different picture – of a peer who attacks clean energy whilst seeking to extend the lifetime of the coal industry in this country.” [13]
The disclosure Shrubsole spoke of was communications between Ridley and the UK energy minister Lord Bourne where Ridley promotes a Texas-based company with “fascinating new technology, which may well interest the Department of Energy and Climate Change.” The Guardian suggests this could be seen as an example of lobbying by Ridley on behalf of he energy industry. [13]”
https://www.desmogblog.com/matt-ridley
The Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF) is the United Kingdom’s most high-profile climate denier group.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Global_Warming_Policy_Foundation
Dredd on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 12:58 pm
You too can have our oil under your lands (Awe Topsy – 2).
Sissyfuss on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 2:05 pm
Clargo Cult, like all rightists you endeavor to politicize science. It was your ancestors who imprisoned Galileo for his blasphemy against their superstitious just as you rail against the coming catastrophe of climate disruption. You see Trump as a savior of the shrinking creed of the Caucasians where in fact the realists see him as the coupdegrace of the ecosphere. I wish you were correct and not just to the right.
Cloggie on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 2:55 pm
The application of CO2 in greenhouses:
http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/facts/00-077.htm
Adding CO2 to commercial greenhouses has a fertilizing effect on crops, flowers, etc. This is not controversial and works exactly like the observed planet greening phenomenon.
It was your ancestors who imprisoned Galileo for his blasphemy
Galileo was an Italian who was persecuted by the Italian Catholic inquisition for his ideas. Protestant Holland in contrast was always seen as a a free haven for the persecuted, including Jews. Ancestors?
the coming catastrophe of climate disruption.
Yeay, yeah, just like peal oil, right?
Go to Matt Dudley’s speech and jump to [35:07]…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5M1qtN62yk
…to verify that even the IPCC in 2014 admits: the impact of climate change will be small relative to the impacts of other drivers
Doesn’t sound like a catastrophe like me.
To summarize my attitude. Until now I have always ignored climate change, because I concluded from the peak oil story that CO2 induced climate change would eventually stop anyway because we would be running out of fossil fuel soon. Even Heinberg advocated thinking along this line and advised to ignore global warming.
Peak oil meanwhile is dead, there is enough to fry us all, so to speak, thanks to technology, like fracking and especially underground coal gasification.
Sooo, the only reason to carry out the energy transition would be this climate change story (the position of EU officialdom btw). Now that peak oil is dead I all of a sudden can’t ignore the climate change story any more. But since I burned myself last time with the peak oil debacle, (including adopting behavior and investment patterns based on false premises) I am now far more prudent with a too rapid adoption of yet another doom story.
Do not get me wrong… I am still pro-transition, because meanwhile the price of renewable energy has become competitive will fossil and it is always better to have energy resources within your national borders, rather than being dependent on potentially hostile suppliers, not to mention long and vulnerable shipping see lanes.
the realists see him as the coupdegrace of the ecosphere.
There is much more to life than resource depletion or climate change, neither of both are likely going to bite any time soon. Meanwhile I find “Caucasian survival” more important than the two topics mentioned.
And leave the solving of these topics (if a problem at all) to the Europeans. 😉
Go Donald!
Apneaman on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 3:28 pm
Clogtard, how are you eurofags enjoying the MENA climate refugees? Get ready because that’s just the scouting party. The main force will be along shortly.
I don’t consider it a problem since I have the Atlantic ocean between me and them, but the Med can be crossed on an inner tube. Have fun dipshit.
Climate Change (I)
Will the Middle East Become ‘Uninhabitable’?
“CAIRO, Apr 18 2016 (IPS) – This is not about any alarming header—it is the dramatic conclusion of several scientific studies about the on-going climate change impact on the Middle East region, particularly in the Gulf area. The examples are stark.
“Within this century, parts of the Persian Gulf region could be hit with unprecedented events of deadly heat as a result of climate change, according to a study of high-resolution climate models,” a recent Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) research warned.”
http://www.ipsnews.net/2016/04/will-the-middle-east-become-uninhabitable/
Climate change worsened deadly heat waves last year
“From Europe to India to Australia, climate change worsened several deadly heat waves around the world in 2015, according to a report released Thursday.”
“Heat waves in Egypt, India and Pakistan killed thousands of people, while 10,000 people suffered from heat stroke in Japan. The European heat wave shattered temperature records in France, Germany, Switzerland, the United Kingdom and other countries.”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2016/12/15/climate-change-intensified-heat-waves/95431732/
Apneaman on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 3:38 pm
Scientists confirm that warm ocean water is melting the biggest glacier in East Antarctica
“Scientists at institutions in the United States and Australia on Friday published a set of unprecedented ocean observations near the largest glacier of the largest ice sheet in the world: Totten glacier, East Antarctica. And the result was a troubling confirmation of what scientists already feared — Totten is melting from below.
The measurements, sampling ocean temperatures in seas over a kilometer (0.62 miles) deep in some places right at the edge of Totten glacier’s floating ice shelf, affirmed that warm ocean water is flowing in towards the glacier at the rate of 220,000 cubic meters per second.
These waters, the paper asserts, are causing the ice shelf to lose between 63 and 80 billion tons of its mass to the ocean per year, and to lose about 10 meters (32 feet) of thickness annually, a reduction that has been previously noted based on satellite measurements.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/12/16/warm-ocean-water-is-slamming-into-and-melting-the-biggest-glacier-in-east-antarctica/
Ghung on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 4:00 pm
Clog posted; “Adding CO2 to commercial greenhouses has a fertilizing effect on crops, flowers, etc. …”
…Because a commercial greenhouse is essentially a closed, controlled environment with a much higher plant density usually consisting of a mono-crop which can deplete CO2 levels quickly. In the grower world, it’s called forcing. The same idea applies to other plant nutrients, irrigation and lighting, and achieving a balance of those things takes skill and perseverance.
Not a fucking analogue for how things work in nature, dumbass.
Cloggie on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 4:16 pm
But you are not denying that the link between increased CO2 levels and stimulated growth exists, resulting in 2 exta USAs wordt of extra vegetation in 30 years, right little Englaender?
Again this link:
http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/facts/00-077.htm
If you scroll down a little (that’s the button on top of your mouse, ghung) you’ll see an interesting graph, which says that the CO2 fertilizer effect will increase until at 600 ppm a saturation effect sets in. We’re at 400 now. So whaddaya waiting for? Buy that SUV! Do it for the rain forest.lol!
Again the Dudley talk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5M1qtN62yk
Go to [5:10] and observe the correlation between ppm CO2 and vegetation growth and especially note the spectacular difference between 400 and 800 ppm.
Apneaman on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 5:08 pm
ClogO, that so called global greening, was reported by NASA scientists. I thought they was all Hoaxers? The greening has been known for some time and was expected. That’s why they call CO2, Methane, NOX, etc greenhouse gasses. What’s the benifit been so far? Can you demonstrate any net benefit? I see no net benefit and the keeling curve continues to climb and global methane levels are climbing and drought increases and glaciers are melting and sea ice continues to decline at startling rates and wildfire season is over two months longer than 25 years ago and getting longer and entire towns now burn down and on and on and on. The satellite pictures/record shows the greening has been going on for 30 years. Don’t seem to be helping and who ever said greening would have no negative consequences?
Vegetation May Speed Warming of Arctic
Global warming will shift tundra from grass to shrubs and trees, which will in turn speed further warming
“The research, published yesterday in Nature Climate Change, outlines a counterintuitive side effect of climate change: As higher temperatures drive plants and trees into areas now inhospitable to them, their new distribution speeds up temperature rise via natural processes such as releases of heat-trapping water vapor into the air.
Previously, scientists understood that global warming would further “green” the Arctic but had less understanding of the degree and how these shifts would interact with the climate itself.
“The more greening you get, the more warming you expect,” said Richard Pearson, lead author of the study and a research scientist at the American Museum of Natural History in New York City”
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vegetation-may-speed-warming-of-arctic/
Daily CO2
December 14, 2016: 404.49 ppm
December 14 2015: 402.82 ppm
November CO2
November 2016: 403.64 ppm
November 2015: 400.24 ppm
https://www.co2.earth/daily-co2
One of the luxuries of being a lying denier asshole is you get to play different cards depending on the circumstances. One day it’s a hoax the next day it’s happening, but it’s not humans the day after that it’s, “yabut look at the benefits!” as you interpret/spin and cherry pick the scientific observations to suit the agenda. Inconsistencies in your story. Same as all liars.
makati1 on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 5:47 pm
AP, Clogged Brain is just that. I have topped reading his insane rants. A good example of why Europe is in the shitter and is about to be flushed down the drain of history. He is a poor example of what old people should be. Intelligent, wise and rational. He is none of these. If his whole life has been as an asshole, I am sure he will not be missed by his family when he turns to dust.
Sissyfuss on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 5:57 pm
Clung, the IPPC is well known to be excessively conservative in their assessments because their research is vetted by both politicians and corporatists before publication. They are not allowed to frighten the consumers with any inconvenient truths. And when I referee to your ancestors I was speaking of the Manifest Destinites of which you are a charter member.
Cloggie on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 6:49 pm
AP, Clogged Brain is just that. I have topped reading his insane rants.
This is the third time that you announce that you will not read my posts any more. You’re losing credibility pall. How is the farm doing btw?
Talking about credibility… I can’t remember that either member of that doomer alliance {Friday, makati or ghung} ever acknowledged how terribly wrong they were with that peak oil fata morgana.
But no problem, just quietly drop the subject and move to the next doomer topic: Climate Change. This time the end of the world is really going to happen, honest.
And there is a simple explanation for this kind of behavior: the gentlemen have immersed themselves so deep into doomerism, telling everybody who wanted to hear about, no even moved to third world hell holes like Manila in order to wait for the end of the world there or picked up micro pickle farming… that for them there is no way back without losing face. It is the same with ShortOnBrains and his HillBilly Group, who is meanwhile so desperate that he is forced to claim that low oil prices are really, really, really a clear sign that the tap is running on empty.
You can’t make this stuff up.
Secretly their worst fear is that they gambled on the wrong horse and that this entire doomer house of cards could crash down upon them.
All dressed up and nowhere to go.
Makati, ghung and Friday remind me of these Japanese soldiers who were discovered in the jungle in the seventies, who thought that WW2 was still raging.
Sorry guys, you embraced a fascinating world view (I did too), but it is simply not going to happen, I am sorry. No fossil fuel depletion, no flooded coast lines, no drowning cities, no nothing. Time to move on.
Seriously folks, do yourselves a favor and join a chess club, the Salvation Army, a militia, the KKK, the Alcoholics Anonymous, anything.
The only thing that (probably) will happen is financial collapse and civil war. Look at it this way, it’s better than nothing.
I am sure he will not be missed by his family when he turns to dust.
That’s quite a statement for someone who has abandoned his own family and now lives all alone in the Ps.
I was speaking of the Manifest Destinites of which you are a charter member.
What the hell has Manifest Destiny to do with Galileo?! There is more than 200 years between the two. Or what has it to do with me?
Manifest Destiny is soon going to be reversed, European America did indeed reach the Pacific but won’t be able to hold it; it is all going to be reversed and returned to Mexico.
http://tinyurl.com/ho93dbe
Future of European America: Mississippi basin.
Cloggie on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 7:07 pm
Global Greening:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/08/global-greening-has-slowed-rise-of-co2-in-the-atmosphere-study-finds
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/the-world-is-getting-greener-why-does-no-one-want-to-know/
Cloggie on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 7:09 pm
Here a transcript and slides of Dudley’s talk for the Royal Society in London (not really dummies):
http://www.thegwpf.org/matt-ridley-global-warming-versus-global-greening/
Cloggie on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 7:24 pm
Complete meltdown of the leftists in Washington. Watch this Olberman sucker yell and squirm en enjoy his rear guard fight to get a war with Russia started.
The f* are losing. Wanna know how ghung and Friday feel?
Watch Olberman.
#BeerPopcorn
peripato on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 7:43 pm
Cloggie. WTF?
On global greening: From that link, https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/08/global-greening-has-slowed-rise-of-co2-in-the-atmosphere-study-finds
“However, this greening is only offsetting a small amount of the billions of tonnes of CO2 emitted from fossil fuel burning and other human activities and will not halt dangerous global warming. “Unfortunately, this increase is nowhere near enough to stop climate change,” said Dr Trevor Keenan, at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in the US, who led the new work.”
Next!
Apneaman on Fri, 16th Dec 2016 8:05 pm
Trump Rejects Climate Change, but Mar-a-Lago Could Be Lost to the Sea
Floridians in Palm Beach spend millions to deal with rising seas.
“That’s not stopping officials in Palm Beach from preparing to deal with its effects. This year, the town overhauled 12 pumping stations to push storm runoff up a huge pipe to the Intracoastal Waterway under a 20-year, $120 million infrastructure plan to deal with increased rainfall and street flooding, among other issues. Palm Beach’s system can now suck up almost 1 million gallons of runoff a minute. “I just deal with the reality that sea levels are rising,” says Palm Beach Town Manager Thomas Bradford. “I don’t want to rile people up about it.”
A bike path along the Intracoastal Waterway floods when the full moon and high seas cause so-called king tides, which have grown more intense. Brackish water bubbles out of the ground, forced up by pressure on the water table from rising sea levels. According to Palm Beach County’s online climate-change mapping tool, the back quarter or so of Mar-a-Lago’s verdant, palm-tree-lined grounds would flood if sea levels rise two to three feet. The town recently changed the construction code to require higher seawalls around homes built on the water because of the threat of higher seas.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-16/trump-rejects-climate-change-but-mar-a-lago-could-be-lost-to-the-sea
Cloggie on Sat, 17th Dec 2016 1:19 am
Sorry, forgot the Olberman link:
http://www.infowars.com/pathetic-liberals-meltdown-continues/
Cloggie on Sat, 17th Dec 2016 1:33 am
http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/
Average sea level increase 3.4 mm / year since 1995 or 8 cm accumulated.
Increase 20 cm between 1870 and 1995.
Now why the hell should this be constant? We had fluctuations of 100 meter in the past.
And now the globalists of Bloomboig discovered an obscure bicycle path that floods at full moon so now we need global government to get that bicycle path dry again? And the US deep state volunteers to do the governing, right?