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Dakota Access Pipeline to be re-routed
Federal officials will not provide a permit that would allow the proposed Dakota Access Pipeline to cross under Lake Oahe in North Dakota, a government representative announced Sunday, a decision that set off celebrations among the thousands of protesters who have spent months camped out on the land in an effort to block construction efforts.
Jo-Ellen Darcy, the Army’s assistant secretary for civil works, said she based her decision on a need to explore alternate routes for the pipeline crossing. This comes three weeks after a November 14 announcement from her office that delayed the decision after protests from the Standing Rock Sioux tribe and its supporters.
“Although we have had continuing discussion and exchanges of new information with the Standing Rock Sioux and Dakota Access, it’s clear that there’s more work to do,” Darcy said in her statement. “The best way to complete that work responsibly and expeditiously is to explore alternate routes for the pipeline crossing.”
Darcy said the consideration of alternative routes would be best accomplished through an environmental impact statement with full public input and analysis, delivering both an immediate reprieve and political statement that could aid in future showdowns with President-elect Donald Trump’s incoming administration.
North Dakota Sen. John Hoeven, a Republican, said last week after a meeting with the transition team that Trump supported completing the pipeline. A spokeswoman for Trump did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Sunday’s decision. House Speaker Paul Ryantweeted his criticism, calling the intervention “big-government decision-making at its worst. I look forward to putting this anti-energy presidency behind us.”
Jan Hasselman, an Earthjustice staff attorney representing the Standing Rock Sioux tribe, said Sunday’s decision would be useful in a court challenge because it cites a number of concerns first voiced by activists on the ground.
“It’s not so simple for one government administration to simply reverse the decisions of the former one,” Hasselman said. “If the incoming administration tries to undo this and jam the pipeline through despite the need for an analysis of alternatives, we will certainly be prepared to challenge that in court.”
The tribe opposes the pipeline because its federal reservation lies just a half mile south of the proposed crossing point. Officials for the tribe have stated their resistance, saying they fear a rupture or spill from the pipeline could be hazardous to the tribal members and could damage their water supply.
“We wholeheartedly support the decision of the administration and commend with the utmost gratitude the courage it took on the part of President Obama, the Army Corps, the Department of Justice and the Department of the Interior to take steps to correct the course of history and to do the right thing,” Standing Rock Sioux Tribal Chairman Dave Archambault II said in a statement.
Thousands of protesters have taken up residence at the Standing Rock site to stand in solidarity with Native Americans to oppose the 1,172-mile long proposed pipeline, a $3.7 billion project that would transport 470,000 barrels of oil a day across four states.
“The American people have been awakened,” said Sameera Khan, an activist and former Miss New Jersey US, who has been at the Oceti Sakowin camp since Thanksgiving, told CNN in an email Sunday. “If we continue to organize like this, there will be many more victories ahead. We will continue to fight. We will continue to win. This is only just the beginning.”
North Dakota’s sole member in the House of Representatives, Rep. Kevin Cramer, a Republican, also pledged to fight on, but against the White House decision. In a scathing statement, he slammed President Obama as well as the protesters.
“I hoped even a lawless President wouldn’t continue to ignore the rule of law. However, it was becoming increasingly clear he was punting this issue down the road,” Cramer wrote. “Today’s unfortunate decision sends a very chilling signal to others who want to build infrastructure in this country. Roads, bridges, transmission lines, pipelines, wind farms and water lines will be very difficult, if not impossible, to build when criminal behavior is rewarded this way.”
Other politicians, including Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, have actively opposed the pipeline and are praising the administration’s decision.
“I appreciate very much President Obama listening to the Native American people and millions of others who believe this pipeline should not be built,” Sanders, a 2016 Democratic presidential candidate, said in a statement. “In the year 2016, we should not continue to trample on Native American sovereignty. We should not endanger the water supply of millions of people. We should not become more dependent on fossil fuel and accelerate the planetary crisis of climate change. Our job now is to transform our energy system away from fossil fuels, not to produce more greenhouse gas emissions.”
Still, many of the grassroots activists who have turned the protest site into a mini-city, prepared to withstand the freezing winter temperatures during what was expected to be an even lengthier standoff, were cautious about the scope and durability of their victory.
“We are asking our supporters to keep up the pressure, because while President Obama has granted us a victory today, that victory isn’t guaranteed in the next administration,” Dallas Goldtooth, lead organizer for the Indigenous Environmental Network said in a statement. “More threats are likely in the year to come, and we cannot stop until this pipeline is completely and utterly defeated, and our water and climate are safe.”
May Boeve, the executive director leading environmental action group 350.org, celebrated the decision but also sounded a warning against any future plans to reverse it.
“If Trump tries to go up against the leaders at Standing Rock he’ll just end up looking petty and small,” she said. “The fight against Dakota Access has fired up a resistance movement that is ready to take on any fossil fuel project the Trump administration tries to approve. On Dakota Access and every other pipeline: If he tries to build it, we will come.”
Earlier this week, North Dakota Gov. Jack Dalrymple ordered the protesters to leave the campsite by Monday, citing the harsh winter conditions as a reason why they needed to decamp. The US Army Corps of Engineers had warned that come Monday, activists who refuse to leave the campsite could be arrested, then backtracked, saying the agency had no plans to forcibly remove those who stay.
Instead of backing away, the protesters came out in full force and showed no signs of backing down, even inviting over 2,000 veterans to join their already robust presence. Now with a victory for the Sioux tribe and their supporters, Standing Rock has become a protest symbol.
46 Comments on "Dakota Access Pipeline to be re-routed"
Sissyfuss on Sun, 4th Dec 2016 7:25 pm
Don’t worry, when Trump takes office he will route the pipeline not only through the Rez but any and all Planned Parenthood Facilities close by.
Anonymous on Sun, 4th Dec 2016 7:42 pm
While its good to see the oil cartel not getting its way, Im not sure if this qualifies as a victory either. The pipeline is still going to be built, just in a slightly different location. And who is to say the ‘new’ route won’t be problematic as well?
This is why nothing ever really changes. Even when the uS oil cartel ‘losses’, or appears to, they still, ultimately, win.
onlooker on Sun, 4th Dec 2016 8:07 pm
even though yes it does not change anything even probably the the Indigenous in that area, it is still nice to see the people stick it to the MAN.
brent on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 12:16 am
It will now cost more money and when the contracts run out in January and they loose a bunch of money who will want to invest in oil with oil prices so low. PS good job kicking them when they are down lets kick them again.
Theedrich on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 1:29 am
Another diktat from the enthroned Negroid. How nice. Now the herd of criminals is encouraged to violate even more laws while being prompted by the MSM Ministry of Propaganda. Forget about lessening U.S. oil dependence on Mohammedan Sand Negroes. Destroying Western civilization is much more important.
brent on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 2:23 am
Western civilization destroyed itself a long time ago now it is in it’s death spiral. I see Italy just rejected it’s referendum and the Euro just dropped.
Cloggie on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 3:40 am
Western civilization destroyed itself a long time ago now it is in it’s death spiral. I see Italy just rejected it’s referendum and the Euro just dropped.
The only thing that is destroying itself is the US empire and that is a good thing, not in the least for the (European) Americans themselves, just like the Russians were better off after the USSR went the way of the Dodo and Russia became a normal non-imperial country again.
The Italian referendum is just another slap in the face of the Western globalists and their schemes to attempt to setup a world empire and en passant destroy western lands through mass migration.
We are done with that. The West is “refactoring” itself into the North and become anti-South.
It fits in the line of the rise of Putin and European populists, Brexit, Trump election and there is (much) more to come.
P.S. the euro didn’t drop:
http://www.x-rates.com/graph/?from=EUR&to=USD&amount=1.00
Not that it is important.
makati1 on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 4:06 am
The West is dead meat and starting to smell. The death knell of the EU is ringing loud and clear to all that can still hear. The Euro’s death will be the final nail in the EU’s coffin. When it goes so goes America and all the Western wannabees.
The black shroud worn by Death is made up of debt, the common disease of many today, especially the West. The near future is going to be exciting and brutal. There is no far future for humanity.
Dredd on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 5:02 am
Interesting that the military stopped it (Will Elections Cure The Disease? – 3).
Anonymous on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 5:33 am
drich, dont be so dense. the uS OWNs those sand negroes you are so worried about. They are on the payroll, servants of the amero-zionist empire. They fight for tel aviv and washingdum in shadow armies like the USlamic state. Nor does the uS desire ‘independence from arab oil’. Not by any stretch. They much to prefer to be permanently encamped in the ME. Keeping the ME in a state of permanent instability is a good way to make sure tel avivs ‘enemies’ cannot form stable gov’ts, or from normal trade relations with counties on the exceptional nations black list.
Stop obsessing over that powerless puppet obomber. You’re sound like that imbecile plantatard ffs. Few weeks, and hes gone. Obomber that is, not plantatard, unfortunately.
R1verat on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 9:07 am
As a vet that stood toe to toe with the protesters, facing down the cops, I am encouraged that this protest movement was successful, if for no other reason that maybe others will find the courage to stand up to more injustices instead of rolling over & taking the “business is all” mindset.
However I completely expect Trump to reverse this decision. We are lemmings running off the cliff. And if anyone thinks they are safer by being outside the states, you are living in la la land. We are all related & will go down together.
Apneaman on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 12:05 pm
R1verat, good on you guys. Are there many pickup truck driving, libtard hating, rabid flag wavers thanking all you vets for your service today?
onlooker on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 2:27 pm
This is more what is really happening
“Mandan, ND – In an amazing display of humanity and compasson, water protectors from the Oceti Sakowin camp, on Friday, donated various supplies to the Morton County Sheriff’s Department in Mandan after the department posted a request for donations late last month.
In spite of widespread brutality and violent actions directed at non-violent unarmed water protectors by law enforcement, the Oceti Sakowin headsman, joined by Leonard Crow Dog and a number of youth and women leaders, delivered the requested donations to their oppressors.
onlooker on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 2:29 pm
And this: “Pipeline company statement dismisses Army corp of engineers directive to reroute pipeline. My guess is they will continue drilling and kick can down road to Trump. I think this was optics for Obama and a means to dismantle the camp.
‘…..fully expect completion of pipeline without any rerouting in and around Lake Ohae. Nothing this Administration has done today changes this in anyway.”
jjhman on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 3:22 pm
“They made us many promises, more than I can remember, but they never kept but one; they promised to take our land, and they took it.”
Red Cloud
Anonymous on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 3:26 pm
Well, onlooker, if that is in fact the case, it certainly fits in with what I long been saying. uS oil corps only obey the ‘law’, such as it is in the empire, when it suits them. I feel re-routing was at best, a tactical ‘victory’, as I said above. They still won the war, handily. Now, if what you say is true, and the oil cartel intends to do w/e they please (lol, thats a first), then those people still have a fight on their hands dont they?
A disinterested observer of Earth's destruction on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 3:27 pm
The only thing your government ever promises is that you will submit. And you do.
rockman on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 3:48 pm
It would seem that sacredness of the land may be related to the revenue potential. But having said that if the land where the pipeline is being laid belongs to the tribe should have the last say IMHO. Eminent domain is an important law but in the case of tribal lands I don’t feel it should apply to the tribe. OTOH if it doesn’t own the land then the tribe is no different the 10’s of millions of citizens who are in the same NIMBY camp.
“While North Dakota’s Standing Rock Sioux Tribe continues to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline, it’s a somewhat different situation 150 miles northwest. There, alongside the same river, pipelines and oil development are for the most part welcomed on a different reservation.
On Fort Berthold, tribal members live right on top of pipelines — more than 4,000 miles crisscross the reservation, home to the Mandan, Hidatsa and Arikara tribes that together call themselves MHA Nation.
The reservation lies in the heart of the Bakken formation oil patch, and like seemingly everything here, there’s a cost-benefit analysis to make. On Fort Berthold, they’ve decided oil production — and the wealth that it brings in for now — is worth the risk.”
Anonymous on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 4:39 pm
Exactly rock, as usual, you can see right through those greedy injuns. Likely just trying to negotiate a better deal with your oil cartel behind the scenes. All this talk about protecting water, being worried about breaks(we know those never happen, except when they do) and all the other issues they bring up, just window dressing and public posturing.
Lets face it, amerikan corporate resource extraction has ALWAYS been on favorable terms for Indians and the uS has never screwed over an Indian tribe.
Im sure that once the ‘correct’ number uS dollas end up in the ‘right’ Indians hands, all that talk about protecting their land will vanish, right rocky?
And as you rightly point out, if ONE indian tribe sold out to big oil, then that means they ALL will sell out to big oil. Because you know, Indians.
Hubert on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 5:17 pm
Desperate problems leads to desperate measures.
Apneaman on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 5:48 pm
Anonymous, back when rockman got his basically free ride through university to get his cancer extraction degree he to took “Texass Injuns 101” as a mandatory humanities elective, so now he’s an expert cultural anthropologist.
makati1 on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 6:44 pm
Thousands of oil and NG pipeline breaks in the last 40 years:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-03-13/25-years-of-oil-spills
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_natural_gas_and_oil_production_accidents_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents_in_the_United_States_in_the_21st_century
Eleven oil pipeline ruptured in 2000 alone. And the list only gets longer year by year until today. Not to mention those prior to 2000.
Apneaman on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 6:47 pm
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
GIVE IT BACK TO THE INDIANS
Apneaman on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 6:51 pm
ClimatePipeline routes always changespeakyeast on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 7:02 pm
@mak: Do you know if it is the lack of maintenance which often is the first victim of profit enhancement or is it simply because of the sheer amount of pipeline?
I am sure Rockman can tell me, no, Rocky?!? 🙂
peakyeast on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 7:14 pm
btw. isnt it about time the indians pays some reasonable amount in reparations back to the USA?
I mean – Iraq and Afghanistan had to pay for their involuntary destruction – so why should the indians escape paying for their destruction? Things must be done right – its about time and USA is a beacon of civilisation and “righting” wrongs,no? – FLOL.
Boat on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 7:36 pm
So the citizens of the smoking chimney to the north have the OK of every Indian for their FF exploits. Do your Indians need to be retrained to respect their land? Ya’ll need a Jewish settlement to create some kind of balance up there. lol Maybe you need some Nigerian rebels to show you how your exploited.
rockman on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 8:53 pm
Anon – “All this talk about protecting water, being worried about breaks(we know those never happen, except when they do) and all the other issues they bring up, just window dressing and public posturing.” Apparently so. It really sucks when the FACTS shows one’s statements to be foolish, doesn’t it. LOL.
I’m almost regret finding this report that COMPLETELY blows the claims of the protestors out of the water. I also feel bad for the vets that have been taken in by the gross misrepresentations and outright lies by the Standing Rock people. My initial gut reaction was sympathetic if for no other reason then the atrocities inflicted on the native American people in the past.
But it doesn’t change the facts. Facts totally destroying the tribes assertions. But the details are so complete I can’t even summarize them here. The link is at the end if anyone wants to read the entire ugly story. Here’s one of the more specific points but first the lead statement from the author:
“I must state up front … I am a strong proponent of Native American rights. Too often throughout history America’s early inhabitants have been treated grossly unfairly … and worse. My initial reaction to hearing about the Standing Rock/Dakota Access Pipeline protest was to support them. But then, as I always try to do I started researching – trying to verify the truth – separate fact from fiction. And as I researched I become more and more disappointed by what I learned.”
A significant detail: the “sole source” of drinking water for the tribe for which there is so much concern will, in a matter of months, supple NO WATER TO THE TRIBE. It will be replaced by a new water source system that has been under construction for years. Construction paid for by the federal govt AND THE STANDING ROCK TRIBE:
“Then there is the issue at the very HEART of the tribes claims … the water intake at Fort Yates, just downstream from the pipeline’s crossing of the river (where the pipeline will be buried some 90+ feet below the river). The tribe’s KEY claim is the pipeline threatens what they say is the sole source of water for the reservation – the Fort Yates water intake, which is a few miles downstream from the DAPL river crossing near Cannonball, ND – the site of the protest.
It is very hard though for the water intake at the heart of the tribes claims to be threatened if it does not exist. Which is a fact – and the tribe full well knows it. The water intake at Fort Yates – the one the tribes says is the primary source of the water for the reservation – is to be shut down in the coming MONTHS.”
“Dave Rosencranz, the Dakota’s Area manager for the Federal Bureau of Reclamation, has stated currently the Standing Rock community is being served by two Missouri River water intakes but that the Fort Yates intake, which is nearest the Dakota Access Pipeline crossing, is slated to be shut down. “It’s basically at the end of its life.”
“The simple facts are the Fort Yates water intake – again the very heart of the tribes claims – will be shut down the end of the year. And the tribe full well knows it. The heart of the tribes claims – that the pipeline – which is buried 90′ under the river where it crosses – threatens the tribes entire source of water …. is a knowing lie perpetrated by the tribe.”
https://m.facebook.com/notes/scott-gates/on-the-standing-rock-tribes-dakota-pipeline-protest-/10154529600627457
makati1 on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 9:07 pm
Peaky, it is $$$$ that decides the future in a capitalist system. And, as can be seen, the future of the U$ capitali$t $y$tem is taking the country into the shitter. It is already in a depression headed for the Greatest Depression. Nothing will change until it joins the likes of the 3rd world, or worse.
Apneaman on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 9:11 pm
Boat, I can’t speak for the average Canadian cancer citizens, but I, personally do not have any Indians (First Nations) of my own.
I have noticed a pattern with you whenever anything to do with American Indians comes up and anyone, and not just me, suggests they are getting a raw deal. You don’t like it and respond with defensive comments. White guilt boat? Don’t like the feeling that your expansionist country was founded on the near genocide of peoples who have been on the land, and not trashing it to extinction, for 12,000 to 15,000 thousand years? You also seem to get emotional anytime the cancer is challenged or slowed up. Ahhh. Try and come to terms with what the humans are and maybe, like me, you will be able to admit and accept that the Indians did get a raw deal and still have it bad in many instances, but I wasn’t there, so it’s not on me. Besides as far as conquest go it was one of the slowest bumbling unimpressive ones ever. It took almost 500 years and 90% were killed by disease that they had no immunity to. So it basically took 500 years to kill off and subdue the rest even though the euro reject tards had superior technology. It was mostly the disease and overwhelming numbers what did it – zombie horde conquest. Not so much some kind of white superiority or better fighting men. Just imagine what would have happened if not for the disease doing most of the work? Even then they had to slaughter 60,000,000 buffalo because even with all that technology, they just couldn’t whoop em in a fight. Disease and starvation – not exactly the Hollywood script of a thousand cowboys and injun movies. See boat your entire history, or at least the version you believe, is one big bullshit story. If you want an example of a real many conquest try the Romans wiping the Carthaginians off the face of the earth after 3 wars spanning a century. They were much more evenly matched in technology except the carthaginians were the premiere seamen, had a huge navy and the Romans had none, so they stole one of their ships and copied it enmass added a corvus (google it) and whooped some ass man to man. None of this pussy assed disease and slaughtering the meat supply luck and trickery. The conquered the mediterranean world the old fashioned way like real men.
Boat does it bother you that some of those tribes sometimes really are trying to get some tax money in addition to other concerns they might have? Happens up here too. Big fucking whoop chief. I don’t care anymore than I give a fuck about another cancer industry subsidy.
Canadian Taxpayers Fork Out $3.3 Billion Every Year to Super Profitable Oil Companies
https://www.desmog.ca/2016/08/30/canadian-taxpayers-fork-out-3.3-billion-every-year-super-profitable-oil-companies
Or my my provincial tax dollars going to a totally unnecessary hydrodam.
Unneeded, Expensive Site C Brings Huge Costs, No Benefits: NDP Critic
Government blocked independent review that would reveal project ‘a job-killing white elephant.’
“BC Hydro and the provincial Liberal government are playing a reckless game with British Columbians. They are building Site C even though it is apparent that we do not need the power.
The consequences will include lost jobs, higher electricity rates and long-term damage to BC Hydro and provincial finances.
Does Premier Christy Clark think BC Hydro’s customers in this province would support a $9-billion-plus project to offer subsidized power to American and Albertan consumers? Could this ever make any sense?”
https://www.thetyee.ca/Opinion/2016/06/27/Site-C-No-Benefits/
Nothing can stop the human cancer except extinction. The pipeline will be diverted or the ruling changed and if the dam is not built they will find another venue for growth for growth’s sake. We are only here to degrade energy.
Apneaman on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 9:24 pm
NASA captures disturbing image of Antarctica ice rift
http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/12/05/nasa-captures-disturbing-image-of-antarctica-ice-rift/21620773/
makati1 on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 9:42 pm
Ap, I wonder how much ice needs to leave the surface of Antarctica before the tectonic plates under it shift? And when that happens, how many of the 42 volcanoes under the that ice will erupt? Now wouldn’t THAT be a huge “feedback loop”?
I wonder if there are any under Greenland? LOL
Apneaman on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 10:15 pm
mak, in this instance that ice shelf acts like a cork holding back the ice on land and when it goes the land ice could come fast and that means instant sea level rise for however much displacement it causes until it melts completly.
I’m not sure about the volcanos, but we are talking a shit load of weight and when it goes, I imagine a series of geological events will happen. Imagine spreading a half inch of paint on a memory foam mattress then adding a bunch of dense metal objects on it. Let it dry, then slowly remove the object one at a time and watch what happens to the dried paint. That’s how I see the earth’s crust reacting, cracking and splitting, in my mind’s eye. I don’t know how accurate that is – it’s just my visualization. I’m too tired to look up the research on it. Volcanoes can puke out plenty of CO2 and I think other greenhouse gasses, but also particulate matter that will global dim. That effect only goes so far and is on it’s way to being canceled out from what I can remember. In previous mass extinctions that were triggered from volcanism it was volcanic traps that were active over tens of thousands of years to hundreds of thousands of years. Not sure if they put less solids in the air because they were not exploding like a volcano. They put more greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere then we have so far, like over 1000 ppm, but it was slow, not in a couple of hundred years. Life, living things have a hard time adjusting to that speed. It’s an eye blink geologically and biologically. Unprecedented.
makati1 on Mon, 5th Dec 2016 11:33 pm
Ap, If you study the tectonic plates we all live on, which are always moving anyway, it seems to me that many billions of tons of ice melting and allowing those plates to lift, will make a huge difference.
Put 10 people in a row boat. Then watch the boat rise every time someone gets out. The same is happening to the plates as the glaciers and ice over-burden melt. At the same time, those billions of tons are being added to the weight of the oceans, also riding on those plates. Part of the globe rising. A larger part sinking.
I did a lot of research, for the book I wrote, that includes these natural forces. They underlay the whole story. I think we are in for some real surprises as global warming continues.
brent on Tue, 6th Dec 2016 12:50 am
Native Americans do not all see eye to eye if one tribe wants to profit off of oil and gas development that does not mean all of them do.The bottom line is the us government offered to buy the land the pipeline is to run through. The tribe refused so the government or more preciously the army corps of engineers took it anyway when they built the dams on the Missouri river.
GregT on Tue, 6th Dec 2016 1:30 am
“So the citizens of the smoking chimney to the north have the OK of every Indian for their FF exploits. Do your Indians need to be retrained to respect their land?”
They aren’t Indians Boat. Indians come from India. They’re Americans. Unlike you, a European immigrant, and an illegal one at that, if basic human rights were taken into consideration.
GregT on Tue, 6th Dec 2016 1:51 am
And also Boat, from a biological perspective, yours is an invasive species. It isn’t simply enough to ship your kind back to where it belongs. You should be eradicated. Before you do any more damage to the ecosystems that you are not indigenous to.
Anonymous on Tue, 6th Dec 2016 5:08 am
LoL@rocky.
Like most biased individuals, one with a clear affinity for uS oil corporations in your case, you tend to seek your ‘facts’ from like-minded, agenda driven sources. And its not hard to find such ‘sources’. Defending the excesses of the military corporate state in amerika, is an industry unto itself.
The ‘source’ you chose to quote, is not all the credible in this case either, so its not clear why it should be given any credence.
Apneaman on Tue, 6th Dec 2016 9:05 am
Huge Antarctica Glacier in Serious Trouble
“A warming ocean figures as the culprit as the ocean has been absorbing up to 90% of Earth’s heat, helping to protect on-land creatures, like humans, from real bad overheating. But, what goes around comes around, as evidenced in Antarctica; all of that worldly heat is coming home to roost underneath big, fat ice sheets.”
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/12/05/huge-antarctica-glacier-in-serious-trouble/
The glacier is fine, it’s the humans who are in serious trouble.
rockman on Tue, 6th Dec 2016 10:48 am
As I just mentioned to coffeeguy in a similar thread folks can get so invested in a false narrative that they are unable to accept contradictory FACTS that are presented to them. Even when though those feelings were based on misrepresentations and flat out lies they are so invested in their position they’ll even refuse to read DOCUMENTED evidence showing the reality. And if they can’t prove the message is not true they’ll resort to attaching the messenger.
But that doesn’t change the DOCUMENTED FACTS that the pipelines protest is a farce and has nothing to do with protecting a water the Standing Rock tribe itself decided to abandoned years ago. And will no longer be a water source for anyone before the first bbl of oil flows down the line.
But as I said above repeating the FACTS endlessly won’t change some minds. I was going to give up on thread since one can’t make someone see if they refuse to look at the facts. But since the debate continues I did more digging. From
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/native-americans-after-easy-money-in-pipeline-fight/article/2607821
[b]Native Americans after ‘easy money’ in pipeline fight[/b]
“Proponents of the $3.8 billion Dakota Access pipeline say the Native American tribe protesting the project isn’t all that hung up on whether the pipeline will use sacred land, and is really just looking for a bigger cut of the revenue.”
“”Even though the pipeline never crosses the Standing Rock Sioux reservation, Energy Transfer Partners has attempted to be a good neighbor by offering water testing and monitoring, as well as significant community support to the tribe,” the source said. “But time and again the tribe rebuffed or ignored the company’s offers demanding, instead, a toll on the crude that passed through the pipeline, an ultimatum that showed the tribe’s true desire — easy money.”
The company wouldn’t agree to the condition, but offered to pay for infrastructure improvements on the reservation prioritized by the tribe. The company even purchased a 7,600-acre property called the Cannonball Ranch that is adjacent to the reservation, offering it to the tribe as part of a settlement proposal, say sources privy to the talks.”
“[b]But what continued to throw a wall up in the discussions was the tribe’s demand to receive a fee for shipping the oil.”[/b]
rockman on Tue, 6th Dec 2016 11:03 am
“Like most biased individuals, one with a clear affinity for uS oil corporations in your case, you tend to seek your ‘facts’ from like-minded, agenda driven sources.”. Poor Anonymous: still can’t understand the free enterprise system and competition better the a 6 yo child. LOL. After repeated explaining why the Rockman and the vast majority of US oil producers would like nothing better then to see this pipeline never built Anonymous is still stumbling around in the dark. LOL. Actually there is something better many of us would love to see: ban all existing oil pipelines transporting Canadian oil sands production into the US.
Personally the Rockman would be extremely happy if they forced all Bakken, Eagle Ford and Marcellus producers to immediately shut in everyone of their wells. And poor little Anonymous still hasn’t a clue why. LOL.
Cloggie on Tue, 6th Dec 2016 11:35 am
NASA captures disturbing image of Antarctica ice rift
Give Antarctica a break (pun intended).
What’s a 70 mile long iceberg anyway on a continent of 14 million km2 (2 times Australia). Snow keeps piling up kilometers high, causing tangential pressure, so every now and then a piece breaks off. Big deal.
Are you seriously interested in Antarctica having ice mountains peeking through the atmosphere into outer space.lol?
Ah well, Friday needs every last straw to keep his world view alive.
Cloggie on Tue, 6th Dec 2016 11:37 am
@Rockman
Try instead of brackets in order for this…
[b]But what continued to throw a wall up in the discussions was the tribe’s demand to receive a fee for shipping the oil.”[/b]
… to look like this:
But what continued to throw a wall up in the discussions was the tribe’s demand to receive a fee for shipping the oil.”
Cloggie on Tue, 6th Dec 2016 11:38 am
LOL fooled myself, should have said:
Try “” instead of brackets in order for this…
Cloggie on Tue, 6th Dec 2016 11:39 am
Wrong again. The forum software doesn’t accept “smaller than” or “larger than” as legit characters.
Boat on Tue, 6th Dec 2016 12:01 pm
Ape,
Most of my comments concerning Canadians are in semi jest as retaliation for anti Americanism, anti capitalism, anti government etc. Then to top it off the majotiety of Canadians are anti Jew, anti women, pro Russia, pro China and pro Iran.
So there ya go, your free to state your opinions and I will gladly confront them for shits and giggles.
I did think it was wrong message to burn tires when protesting environmental issues. Kind of like black protesters breaking store front glass of innocents because of a shooting. Them S Korean protesters are the most sophisticated in history. Gather by the hundreds of thousands and move their lighters in unison. Looks like that works better. Getting all hyperbolic and excited is so 70’s.