Requiem for Syria

33 Comments on "Requiem for Syria"

penury on Mon, 19th Sep 2016 4:20 pm 



“Syrian Revolution” all you need to know. Stupidity combined with sophistry for the equally stupid and uninformed.

Plantagenet on Mon, 19th Sep 2016 4:23 pm 



Why should anyone support the “Syrian Revolution?” Its primarily a religious war i.e. a jihad carried out by fundamentalist Sunnis against the existing Shia state which tries to downplay the role of religion.

Why isn’t the current non-religious state preferable to a theocratic state dominated by Sunnis?

Cheers!

Cloggie on Mon, 19th Sep 2016 4:50 pm 



http://www.unz.com/mwhitney/assads-death-warrant/

“Secret cables and reports by the U.S., Saudi and Israeli intelligence agencies indicate that the moment Assad rejected the Qatari pipeline, military and intelligence planners quickly arrived at the consensus that fomenting a Sunni uprising in Syria to overthrow the uncooperative Bashar Assad was a feasible path to achieving the shared objective of completing the Qatar/Turkey gas link. In 2009, according to WikiLeaks, soon after Bashar Assad rejected the Qatar pipeline, the CIA began funding opposition groups in Syria.”

— Robert F. Kennedy Jr.,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr.

The murder on 500,000 people and counting was orchestrated in Washington and carried out by foreign rent-a-terrorist jihadists.

Iraq and Libya same story.

Wesley Clark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

Clinton: “we came, he died, hahaha”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmIRYvJQeHM

Albright about 500,000 children killed was worth it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE

French FM was approached by Anglos to join in Syria:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz-s2AAh06I

Cloggie on Mon, 19th Sep 2016 4:57 pm 



One has to be a real simpleton if one believes that the attack against Syrian soldiers in Deir Ezzour was an accident:

http://www.infowars.com/how-the-us-became-isiss-air-force/

The US has zero interest in a defeat of IS, but can’t afford to admit that. The US, Turkey, KSA and Qatar still quietly support IS and other so-called “moderate” groups. This war could go on for several more years. The recent seize fire in Aleppo has already been broken.

Boat on Mon, 19th Sep 2016 5:43 pm 



Clog,

Putin declared mission accomplished. How could there any problems. Remember he is a political mastermind.

“The US, Turkey, KSA and Qatar still quietly support IS and other so-called “moderate” groups. This war could go on for several more years.”

If what you say is true how could a mastermind be so wrong.

Apneaman on Mon, 19th Sep 2016 6:08 pm 



One has to be an adolescent moron to keep linking to infowars (a for profit cartoon) and expect to be taken seriously. Clogged, almost everyone is shaking their heads and laughing at you. You’re 72? Seriously, don’t you think it’s about time to turn off the cartoons and grow up?

Anonymous on Mon, 19th Sep 2016 6:16 pm 



Plantamoron, you are one of the biggest, if not the biggest, idiot here. And that is saying something considering your competition, Kenz, boat, etc. But for some reason, you just keep doubling down on stupid, which, I guess, shouldn’t come as surprise anymore.

Cloggie on Mon, 19th Sep 2016 11:35 pm 



“One has to be an adolescent moron to keep linking to infowars (a for profit cartoon) and expect to be taken seriously. Clogged, almost everyone is shaking their heads and laughing at you.”

Your intellectual superior and colonial overlord ghung has an account for discussion at infowars:

https://disqus.com/by/Ghung/?

So apparently he considers it worth-it to discuss there. But for you it is a little too right-wing, eh? Better post at imperial NWO commies like CNN and similar Pravda’s. Opposition that’s not for you mate. You are here in life to let your minute brain being brainwashed with imperial propaganda like Canada being a liberator or the holocaust. Now go s* some Asian c*, the ones who took over “your” city.lol

Apneaman on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 2:29 am 



Clogged, you don’t know shit about commies either. Although the Dutch would have, if Canada, after saving you from the Nazis hadn’t stuck around Europe for 45 years to keep the USSR from raping (payback) it’s way any further than Berlin. Can you imagine if the Normandy invasion never happened and the Soviets liberated the Netherlands from the Nazi scum? Your mom would have went from sucking Nazi cock, straight to sucking commie cock.

So if you are 72 then that means you are a dutch famine (1944-45) baby?

Well, I guess that explains everything.

The Dutch Famine and schizophrenia spectrum disorders

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s001270050068

Bomber Command Museum Of Canada –

Operation Manna

An airplane skims over the land
The low country called Holland
Country of hunger, persecution, and sorrow
In the streets people gaze at the sky
An airplane circles around
The pilots drop their food!
People cry, people cheer to the skies
Food, food, food!

“In April of 1945 the Canadian Army had liberated much of the Netherlands but 120,000 well armed enemy soldiers were cut off in the western part of the country. The Allies did not have enough troops available to conquer the area without terrible losses. After making the decision not to invade, the Allied commanders faced the problem of how to help the 3.5 million Dutch citizens who were starving after four years of occupation, including the recent difficult winter.

The Dutch first heard of the plans for Operation Manna on April 24th when it was announced by the British Broadcasting Corporation.

One Canadian pilot recalled, “flying by a windmill and people waved at us from its balcony. You understand, we had to look up to wave back!” Sgt. Ken Wood, a rear gunner remembered, “People were everywhere -on the streets, on the roofs, leaning out of windows.”

http://www.bombercommandmuseum.ca/manna.html

Do you remember it clogged? Mama jumping up and down, with you, hungry in her belly, waving at the Canadian, British and later American pilots risking their lives to feed her and you?

Just imagine if those young men did not fly and drop that food and mommy starved a little more you would have ended up with even more brain damage than you have – a full blown retard drooling away in some institution for life or not born at all.

You know what clog? I think you do remember it. You have been remembering it your whole damn life and are still furious about it at 72. Methinks the anger was inherited and all your screaming and blaming and trying to “set the story straight” has been one big life long fight against the truth that y’all was powerless. Invaded, occupied and rescued from deaths door by the uncouth descendants of European rejects and your former enemy the British. Oh the ranting you mast have had to endure from daddy. With the exception of a handful of Dutch resistance fighters (including women)most took the occupation silently or were collaborators. Was daddy a Nazi collaborator clog? See it’s not all that hard to piece it together. Fact is you give yourself away. So I guess the collaborator descendants do not goo to the annual, thank the Canadians for liberating and feeding us day huh? Everything must be rewritten for the poor little fascist victims. Victim hood is the core of fascism. You can rant and rave about the US empire and Jew bankers and industrialists and all the rest of it. None of it changes the fact that a bunch of Canadian, British and American pilots save your kin from starvation and likely your own life. Those Canadian boys, and that’s what they were – boys an ocean away from home doing their duty during a war. A duty that liberated your country from starvation and the fascist boot. None of the string pulling behind curtains applies to them. You and your country own your existence to Canadian (and allied) blood and guts. I could see how that would drive you crazier. You’re only here today because of the very empire (and it’s ally/client state) you despise. Carry the weight clog.

Cloggie on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 3:45 am 



“Although the Dutch would have, if Canada, after saving you from the Nazis hadn’t stuck around Europe for 45 years to keep the USSR from raping (payback) it’s way any further than Berlin”

I am not going to be provoked in yet another WW2 thread. I explained here…

http://peakoil.com/consumption/heinberg-is-the-oil-industry-dying/comment-page-1#comments

…that British colony Canada’s only role in WW2 was to add the Netherlands to the US empire and that the Germans would never had invaded the Netherlands if the Dutch government would not have been persueded by the British to allow overpass to British and French troops to attack the Rurh area via Dutch soil.

Never has the Netherlands been occupied by a greater enemy than the Americans. Because in contrast to earlier occupiers like the Spanish, French and Germans, the Americans demand that we should become minority in our own lands in an act of passive genocide. Now the same thing happens to European-Americans and Canadians. And the reason why that happens is that America is run by the only serious enemy white people have, the very same people targetted by the Austrian corporal. You see, Germans are a little smarter than Anglos, the descendants of the under classes of Europe. The Germans understood collectively who it were who tried to impose communism on Germany and the rest of Europe, where they had succeeded in Russia. These people never had a chance in Europe, but in 1933 they had conquered both America and Russia and had the paid traitor Churchill at their disposal to instigate war in Europe.

But that’s all history. Russia is now liberated and China ready to humiliate the US. Hopefully the time bomb can be defused by Trump. If not, WW3 is next and will lead to the dissolution of Anglosphere by 1400 million Chinese and 640 million Europeans. And Europe will be liberated from the AngloZionists and take its old place in the sun we had since the days of Rome, now in an alliance with Russia. And you fool can begin to learn Chinese.

theedrich on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 3:54 am 



Hotflash threatens to nuke Iran:  “We would be able to totally obliterate them.”  How nice.  Nothing like the destruction of the world in order to save Zionland.  Clitory is a madwoman chomping at the bit to destroy the world in order to save it.  After her and Ø’s plan to regime-change Syria resulted in chaos not just for Iraq and Syria, but now for refugee-plagued Europe as well, she needs an even bigger disaster to show her wonderfulness.  And let’s face it:  the Syrian Revolution is Hillary’s revolution, strongly supported by her as Ø’s Benghazi murderess who sent American weapons from Libya to Syria on the same day our Libyan ambassador was killed.

The masses who long for a “woman in the White House” because it’s “her turn” might be surprised, if she is elected, to find that their fantasies will not have turned out as expected.  But then, bottom dwellers have a long history of voting for corrupt creatures who give voice to the subconscious popular urge to kill, steal and rob.  Only with HRC, it may be the end of civilization as we know it.

Of course, that is what Canada-inflating microbes like the Burnaby man-ape hope for.  Or perhaps he imagines that his mongoloidizing Canada will somehow escape the consequences of Queenie’s WW III.  Mayhap after allegedly rescuing Holland (and we remember that it is the victors who get to write the history books), his omnipotent Canuck troopies will be able to save the world from the hilarious virago.

joe on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 6:28 am 



PNAC, PNAC, PNAC, PNAC.
There is no revolution. Why does the EU want an Islamic demographic in Europe? Why is the world not acting to secure peace in Israel/Palestine? Every move the US made since 1972 has made Islamic Wahabbi Jihadism stronger, not weaker. There is only one war, its called surround Russia and isolate China and keep India and Pakistan at war. What do you guys think is the next move? Sectarian war in Iraq, topple syria and create same, then what? Kurds rise up, and with US support smash their way to Tehran. Its all for nothing though. Isis got a rebirth when they were handed weapons from Turkey, a nato member. Baghdadi is like the Mandarin in Ironman 3, he is just a voice for somthing far more sinister and they get much more help than most people want to believe. Independent, free, stable societies of the kind that Sykes Pichot developed (none of these nations had strife even during ww2) are anathema to Americas need to create chaos. On the day there is peace in the ME, Israel will be finished. Thats closer to the truth of what is really happening than most people will be able to believe.

Cloggie on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 7:02 am 



“Why does the EU want an Islamic demographic in Europe?”

Why does Washington want a third world demographic in the US?

Why must London meanwhile be an Islamic capital of Britain with an Islamic major?

Because it is policy of the US empire.

“Isis got a rebirth when they were handed weapons from Turkey, a nato member.”

Nobody is fighting ISIS other than Assad and Russia. The US, Turkey, KSA and Qatar keep quietly supporting ISIS and other rebel groups. The US attack against Deir al-Zour was not a “mistake” but an act of support of ISIS.

Wise words joe.

Now what is your advise concerning Britain’s next ally, now that a slim majority of the British people voted for Brexit?

Evan on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 8:34 am 



Hey thanks plantagenet I almost watched that poc.

Anonymous on Tue, 20th Sep 2016 5:58 pm 



Nailed it joe. Sub-media TV is usually pretty good, but I think his love of anarchism has gotten the better of him on this one. No ‘revolution’, no ‘religious wars’ (a fable spoon-fed to morons here in the free-world order to justify endless uS interventions), rather, a uS sponsored attempt to overthrow Syria. Currently behind schedule and over-budget, like pretty much every other project in the amero-Z empire. An obstacle to be overcome on the road to Tehran, Moscow, Beijing. No trade(fair trade), diplomacy or compromise is possible with the amero-zionist empire. With them, its capitulation or nothing.

Amerika is the 4th Reich. They took over rather seamlessly from the 3rd in 1945. Only difference is the 4th reich move more slowly, more patiently, and with better PR(starting to wear pretty thin though). Its troops are essentially incompetent, far less disciplined and trained than the 3rds, but the 4th zionist reich doesn’t really need to ‘win’ wars on the battlefield to maintain its hegemony.

Cloggie on Wed, 21st Sep 2016 3:08 am 



“Amerika is the 4th Reich. ”

No it isn’t, it is more like the next USSR. You are using “Fourth Reich” as a meaningless smear word. The Third Reich was about nationalism and restoring Germany as a major European state and bringing all Germans dispersed by Versailles “heim ins Reich”. The USSR was about “uniting” the entire world into a single power structure run from Moscow. The US wants to do the same and run the world from Washington/New York. The difference between the USSR and USA is in the choice of the necessary egalitarian principle as a tool to carry out the “uniting”. In the case of the USSR it was economy/class (“workers of the world unite!”). I. the case of the US it is race (“you are not a racist, are you?”). And why do/did behave the USA and USSR in the same manner? Because both clubs are/were run by the same people, who were absolutely not in charge of the Third Reich.

In unrelated news, the best way to know that the US was quietly backing the Gulen coup is this nice little tweet:

http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2016/09/erdogan_deelt_fietsen_uit.html#comments

Erdogan has sent 1000 bicycles to the kids of Gaza. That in itself wouldn’t be news, but it becomes news if you read the banner in the photo:

“Erdogan, leader of the Muslim world”

More proof about the true intentions of Erdogan is difficult to acquire. Erdogan has become a danger for the One World/globalist intentions of the US. Erdogan wants to carve out the Islamic piece for himself and give Washington the finger. I hope he succeeds.

America has been fooled again. Here John McCain talking with al-Baghdadi, the current caliph of the Islamic State:

http://tinyurl.com/mh77gto

McCain to al-Baghdadi: please topple Assad for us.
al-Baghdadi to McCain: sure, gives us the weapons to do so.
McCain to al-Baghdadi: they are on your way, good luck.

But al-Baghdadi and his backers in Turkey, KSA and Qatar never had the intention to topple Assad in order to hand Syria over to the US empire to make it secular, with wimmin’s rights, gay parades and what not. They wanted to remove the Iranian ally between Turkey and KSA and create a Sunni continuum, or a neo-Ottoman empire with Erdogan as “the leader of the Islamic world”. Nothing has changed since.

Cloggie on Wed, 21st Sep 2016 3:22 am 



So who bombed the UN aid convoy in Syria?

Who has the planes and proximity to do it?

Assad
Russia
USA
Turkey

Wo did it?

Cloggie on Wed, 21st Sep 2016 3:29 am 



Russia denies that the attack was necessarily carried out by airplanes since there are no craters visible next to the destroyed trucks.

Other aspects: perhaps the trucks carried contrabande, stowed in the trucks by the Turks.

Drone footage:

https://www.rt.com/news/360059-drone-aleppo-militants-video/

Cloggie on Wed, 21st Sep 2016 3:50 am 



This source says that the strike was carried out shortly after the Syrian government had cancelled the seize-fire. The aid convoy was intented for the rebel held part of Aleppo. It possibly was a Syrian artillary strike:

http://news.antiwar.com/2016/09/20/un-suspends-aid-convoys-to-syria-after-airstrikes/

joe on Wed, 21st Sep 2016 8:00 am 



If you believe in absolute judgements then you are either a muslim extremist, or you are God. For everyone else there is only a grey area of fear and failure. When the US bombed the Syrian Arab Army (about 5 countries were actually involved ) they signalled to Russia that they cant be reliable partners. People seem to forget, if Assads enemies win, his people will be wiped out, and I mean genocide, they will either convert to islamic extremist sunni religion or die, there is no other Alawite nation to take them.
As for British allies, Britain voted very bravely, they are not xenophobic, they just dont want to be forced to be part of the Merkel insanity (EU army, allies with Russia and Turkey, against NATO). They want to be open, but on their own terms. Why should they be forced to take immigrants who live in the 19thc culturally (some live 7n the 6thc)? They pay a huge portion of the EU budget and for that they got to sit by while Germany and France stabbed them in the back over Iraq (rightly). They then made the huge mistake of reversing Tony Blairs policy re Libya, he learned from Iraq, he got Ghaddafis weapons peacefully then they wiped him out, hmmm I guess kim il sung wont make that mistake. Britain has no real allies, it has itself, its history and its maddening contradictory paths, a nation that allows transgender soldiers to openly be female in the army and wipes out villages.
Russias role is much more simple and logical, they want to be strong, Assad needs an ally or face genocide of his nation, Russia wants payback for Ukraine and Georgia and the Balkans, America has weakened itself horribly so much so Saudi Arabia is paying a mercenary army to destroy Yemen while dropping bombs on innocent children there, how many Alan Kurdis in Yemen? Nobody cares, nobody knows, because they are not Sunni, so western Muslims dont protest and shave their beards about them!
So much hypocracy, so much injustice, but never forget, you are not God, so judge others harshly at your peril.

Cloggie on Wed, 21st Sep 2016 9:19 am 



“Britain voted very bravely, they are not xenophobic, they just dont want to be forced to be part of the Merkel insanity (EU army, allies with Russia and Turkey, against NATO). They want to be open, but on their own terms. Why should they be forced to take immigrants who live in the 19thc culturally (some live 7n the 6thc)?”

You are deluding yourself. These 3rd world immigrants were not taken in on orders of Brussels but by London (Blair), that is part of the US empire that has decided that whitey needs to go.

The eastern European workers (that is people who really work for low wages) were indeed the result of EU treaties. Don’t forget though that quite a few British work in lucrative foreign markets like Germany and Switzerland. I myself have worked on many foreign IT-projects and met a lot of British. And large numbers of Brits survive the winter in Spain.

“they just dont want to be forced to be part of the Merkel insanity (EU army, allies with Russia and Turkey, against NATO).”

That’s not “insanity”, that’s the typical judgment of British who 500 years ago decided that Britain is the anti-Europe and always hostile against the strongest state on the continent, in historic order: Spain, Holland, France, Germany and now the united EU.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_balance_of_power

It began with her:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmhak-RI67o

It would be insanity to remain a US colony because it would mean that all European capitals would suffer the same fate as London, thanks but no thanks:

John Cleese on London (he hates it):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J80AGEvRQOg

Muslims praying in the streets of London:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlGHnd_u3tc

Lancashire:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb2_tG8B4dM

You are going to miss these white Christian Eastern Europeans, pall.
But Britain is now going to pay the bill for instigating WW1 and WW2. Karma.

America = rule of Soros types = death of European man.

Way out: alliance with Russia and even if necessary China added to mix until America has come to its senses and has a good look in the mirror and decided what it is: Brasil or Europe. If you look at Trump rallies, it outcome could become Europe.

Russia aims in Syria are:
– prevent Syria to become US colony
– prevent pipeline Qatar-Turkey through Syria

“Britain has no real allies, it has itself, its history”

That maybe brave but not very smart. But hey, you can always team up with the Caliphate, they can still be had as buddies. What’s not to like.

“Russias role is much more simple and logical”

Indeed, they are now driven in the arms of China because of the West’s behavior, but as soon as the US empire goes the way of the dodo’s, they will turn to Europe.

Tonight, German vice-chancellor Gabriel flies to Moscow and will be received by Putin himself, where normally vice-chancellors are never received by Vlad. But Germany is different. Germany (and France) are the future of Russia and Paris-Berlin-Moscow (without London) will be the first address again on this planet after the end of globalism, USSR/USA imperialism and the demise of the global sanhedrin (they can have Greater Baltimore).

Apneaman on Wed, 21st Sep 2016 3:30 pm 



It Only Gets Worse

“The subtext is ‘lucky for us Syria is safely out of sight’. This is the same subtext behind the endless barrage of marketing for the Pentagon and its minions. “Thank you for your service,” means ‘thanks for starting and fighting your endless, stupid wars somewhere far away.’

The experts never mention resource depletion and the battle over what little remains. In the conversation about wars that get worse, anyone bringing up limits is a Luddite consigning the human race to living in caves …”

http://www.economic-undertow.com/2016/09/20/it-only-gets-worse/

Apneaman on Wed, 21st Sep 2016 3:39 pm 



One flew East

One flew West

Clogged flew over the cuckoo’s nest

Clogged, can’t you try and jam a few more links and incoherent statements into one single post?

Insane schizoid raving of a fringe lunatic.

theedrich on Thu, 22nd Sep 2016 3:37 am 



Excellent analysis, Cloggie.  Russia is actually the only hope European man has of escaping the genosuicide the Sörös crowd is planning for him.  First, of course, Merkel muss abgeschafft werden.  She is one of the typical megalomaniac idiots savants who fantasize about being canonized for helping “the poor,” the i-phone-less denizens of the Kalahari, etc.  All at the expense of evil Whitey, of course.

The usual diatribes by Vicky Nuland and other flacks against Russia are paid for by the New-American-Century sociopaths who refuse to acknowledge our trajectory toward planeticide.  Yesterday (2016 Sep 21, the last day of summer) Yellen said she was not raising the Fed’s prime rate because (to simplify her gobbledygook) the U.S. is on a subnormal glidepath.  The idea that (assuming the batwoman out of hell takes over D.C.) there will ever again be an upswing is fantasy.  Mr. Putin, whatever czarist sins he may have committed, is the only hope for White survival left.  And that means the survival of civilization on earth.

Cloggie on Thu, 22nd Sep 2016 4:42 am 



Forgot to add, future of Eurpean America: Missisipi Basin, between Apalachians and Rockies:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Mississippiriver-new-01.png/1280px-Mississippiriver-new-01.png

Amerika:

http://therightstuff.biz/2016/06/16/behold-i-teach-you-the-amerikaner/

And we in Europe must be prepared, if 4 Trump years materialize, to rearm and intervene in America 1776-style if the Alex Jones types will attempt to secede. Most likely date: 2020 (unless Trump will find the energy for another 4 years).

If Clinton wins, the geopolitical unraveling will come earlier and begin either with a clash in the South China Sea or in confrontation in Syria or both.

Cloggie on Thu, 22nd Sep 2016 5:53 am 



The new normal in America:

http://www.infowars.com/a-second-night-of-riots-rocks-charlotte-as-america-teeters-on-the-edge-of-chaos/

A SECOND NIGHT OF RIOTS ROCKS CHARLOTTE AS AMERICA TEETERS ON THE EDGE OF CHAOS
The city of Charlotte has been hit by a second night of violence even though authorities are desperately pleading for calm

An educated guess concerning the future boundaries within North-America:

Afrosphere: northern tip: New York, extending over the entire East coast south to Florida and New Orleans, East of the Apalachians.

Eurosphere: Missisipi basin + Boston. Border with Afrosphere: Missisipi river between Memphis and New Orleans and Apalachians. Lafayette as the only white majority narrow opening to the Gulf of Mexico to avoid complete land lock. 2nd access to the Atlantic Ocean via Great Lakes. Border with Atzlan: River Red

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_River_of_the_South

(Eurosphere, Kunstler’s “where Dolly Parton meets Hitler”. He also believes in the breakup of America)

Atzlan: all Mexican majority cities, everything South of the line Houston, Dallas, El Paso, Albuquerque, Phoenix, Tucson, Las Vegas, San Jose.

Sinosphere: West coast between Vancouver and San Franciso.

Keep this map in mind, in 10 years time we will have a completely different global map after the end of “WW3”.

https://www.amazon.com/Suicide-Superpower-Will-America-Survive/dp/125000411X/ref=sr_1_1

– Paris-Berlin-Moscow
– China (incl Australia, Taiwan and Vancouver-San Fransisco area)
– partitioning of North-America in Eurosphere, Afrosphere, Atzlan and a small Sinosphere
– Rise of the Caliphate under Turkish leadership: Turkey, KSA, Egypt and the rest of Islamic North-Africa
– Shi’ite sphere: Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Western Syria, most of the Western Gulf

makati1 on Thu, 22nd Sep 2016 7:04 am 



Interesting scenario, Cloggie. I think there will be no nations bigger than tribes, IF anyone survives the nuclear exchange. Certainly cancers will shorten lives and prevent another generation from being born. Homo sapiens will all be over long before 2100.

Davy on Thu, 22nd Sep 2016 7:33 am 



Clog, the map is going to change but your reasoning is flawed. You base your reasoning on race and the world is so much more than race relations. A collapse process first and foremost is not about orderly predictable change it is about turbulence and decay. This process will unfold at its own speed and its own starting and ending points. A collapse process can and will be thousands of events with some big events in the mix. It will be a stew with a common flavor.

This destructive period we are now entering will be race related for sure. People will be attacking other people for race reasons but it will be more about general decay of networks, economies, and physical infrastructure. Grand 20th century alliances and creations of your mind are fantasy. Some of it will be a factor because fantasy is human nature. Putin and Trump delve in fantasy as all leaders do.

This collapse process will be more like a balkanization of globalism into areas of mutual support. Some areas will be destroying themselves and other working together to survive. If we see the kind of fragmentation you are talking about we are not going to see the kind of global connections that are part of your thinking. You can’t have your cake and eat it. The kind of change you envision means the end of globalism. Instead of your kind of breakup we are going to see localization and a withdrawal from global realities. You want to see big changes within and based upon existing global realities but the reality is globalism and its associated economic strength is over with changes you envision. Once globalism ends the global world will see a huge drop in population and consumption. Let’s take a stab at it and say half. Half is generous because this will not be an even and average thing it will be jagged and extreme with pockets of stability and normal.

There are serious and nonnegotiable minimum operating levels of a complex interconnected global world. All locals have been delocalized and exposed to the dangers of a destabilizing modern civilization. Globally we are far into an extended carrying capacity situation with multiple vital thresholds near a breach. We are clearly putting ourselves into a position of bifurcation at multiple levels. Bifurcation in our case will directly equate to loss of people from lower economic levels. These economic levels deliver what is needed for survival. Huge monocultures that produce food now will be stranded. The huge industrial capacity of our modern society to process and preserve food will be decimated. Other vital resources especially oil are in the same situation. Along with this economic and resource decimation will be a die off. It is that simple. Sometimes the modern world is so complicated and grey. In this case the modern world will be plain and simple and that is death.

The key variable here is degree and duration. These key variables are then contingent upon where are our minimum operating levels? When for example is our oil situation going to breach economic stability? When is economic stability going to trigger a financial collapse? What about weather extremes of floods and drought in the wrong locations. We have had multiple extreme weather events but they have not been the perfect storms of a global harvest destroying season. We have weapons of mass destruction and a global political arrangement of a “great game of the 20th century in a 21st century reality of no game. It is absurd to think China and the US can have a war and not kill the global system.

These are real dangers our world has never faced and they are multiple and converging and they point to a drop across all human thresholds. Every human measure faces a strong and dangerous drop. Your race based view of the world will be lost in this melee. It comes from your xenophobic view of the world. Yes, I share some of your race concerns but I do not elevate them to a position of the significance you and some others do.

Davy on Thu, 22nd Sep 2016 8:15 am 



“Texas Governor Threatens To Exit The Federal Refugee Program: “Empathy Must Be Balanced With Security”
http://tinyurl.com/hzvrwa4

“The federal government’s refugee settlement program is riddled with serious problems that pose a threat to our nation. The Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Director of National Intelligence have repeatedly declared their inability to fully screen refugees from terrorist-based nations. Even with the inability to properly vet refugees from Syria and countries known to be supporters or propagators of terrorism, President Obama is now ineptly proposing a dramatic increase in the number of refugees to be resettled in the U.S.”

“Empathy must be balanced with security. Texas has done more than its fair share in aiding refugees, accepting more refugees than any other state between October 2015 and March 2016. While many refugees pose no danger, some pose grave danger, like the Iraqi refugee with ties to ISIS who was arrested earlier this year after he plotted to set off bombs at two malls in Houston.”

“Despite multiple requests by the State of Texas, the federal government lacks the capability or the will to distinguish the dangerous from the harmless, and Texas will not be an accomplice to such dereliction of duty to the American people. Therefore, Texas will withdraw from the refugee resettlement program. I strongly urge the federal government to completely overhaul a broken and flawed refugee program that increasingly risks American lives.”

Cloggie on Thu, 22nd Sep 2016 8:28 am 



“You base your reasoning on race and the world is so much more than race relations.”

No, I agree with makati here that the future is tribal… the issue of race/tribe could be hidden under the carpet in a time of abundance, with whitey paying the affirmative action bills. Once the economy will collapse, these favors will be history and it will be everybody for himself/for his own tribe.

You only need to look at what happened during the Soviet and Yugoslav collapse to know that ethnicity will be the defining factor along which a society fractures into smaller units.

“If we see the kind of fragmentation you are talking about we are not going to see the kind of global connections that are part of your thinking. You can’t have your cake and eat it.”

Disagree. As long as China remains in one piece (as it has been for thousands of years), Paris-Berlin-Moscow is the inevitable reaction from the very moment the US empire collapses. Nobody in Europe has an interest in Chinese showing up at the Ural Mountains. I am not saying that PBM is going to be a super state, just an alliance and perhaps a Confederation of independent states (that’s what Putin proposes). These alliances have existed long before the rise of fossil fuel. Heck, Europeans discovered the entire world and colonized it merely with sails.

“This destructive period we are now entering will be race related for sure. People will be attacking other people for race reasons but it will be more about general decay of networks, economies, and physical infrastructure.”

So we are going to have a “little bit of a race war but not too much?”

America over the last 100 years was turned from an inward looking, liberty and small government loving constitutionalist country into a war machine, aimed at global conquest. She could do that because by 1941, the US owned almost a third of the global production capacity, eclipsing everybody else, thanks to the application of oil. The second in rank was the USSR with merely 13%, British empire 11%, Germany 11%, France 6%, Japan 5%. It was obvious for the American elite that an American Century was next.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6139.htm

The article was written half a year before Pearl Harbor, but every member of the US elite already knew that a war of choice was coming, that would bring them at least a part of Europe, that until then had dominated the world as a set of mid-sized competing nations.

Meanwhile one of the top US geo-strategists (Brzezinski) has admitted the obvious, namely that there is not going to be a world-wide US run empire, no matter how this Danish fool and former NATO chieftain Rasmussen wants the US to “police the world”:

https://www.rt.com/news/360124-nato-rasmussen-security-russia/

He expresses what the entire Western elite is thinking:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_wfMrz9_mY

But I am telling you, this elite is going to be washed away in exactly the same fashion as the Warsaw Pact elite was washed away between 1989-1991. Why?

The commies in the East were washed away because the population there had enough of living under a plan-economy that didn’t work and only delivered poverty.

Our own commies are going to be washed away because the Euro’s in Europe and America hate being replaced by hostile foreigners from the third world and they are about to revolt. Because even Christian whitey turns out to be tribal.

“It comes from your xenophobic view of the world”

You are trying to make predictions on the basis of Christian morals, but the world isn’t moral and certainly not Christian.

This is the essence of the Christian poison:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSv4vBcFyvo

A flight from Darwinian reality, with Christians ending up at the receiving end of submission, thanks but no thanks. If we want to remain a free people, we will have to fight the war that is now coming, a war against brutal third world invaders, who couldn’t care less about your notions of “neighborly love”.

Until the communists showed up in Moscow (economic/class) and Washington (race), race was world-wide an absolutely accepted category without moral objections, on all sides. When the world of progress will sink away in the morass of poverty, the issue of race/ethnicity will return big time.

“It is absurd to think China and the US can have a war and not kill the global system.”

They will avoid direct confrontation and use proxies. And even a direct confrontation in the South China Sea doesn’t need to escalate in a global confrontation, just like a direct confrontation between the US and USSR (Bay of Pigs) didn’t escalate, although it was close.

Cloggie on Thu, 22nd Sep 2016 9:30 am 



“The federal government’s refugee settlement program is riddled with serious problems that pose a threat to our nation. The Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Director of National Intelligence have repeatedly declared their inability to fully screen refugees from terrorist-based nations.

b-b-but I thought that “diversity was our strength?!”

The good governor is obviously going to vote for Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUBSFzUp924
(Dedicated to Trump: “You are unstopable”)

Cloggie on Thu, 22nd Sep 2016 9:45 am 



Map of how the world could look like “after WW3”, following the logic of Samuel Huntington and his “Class of Civilizations”, after the end of the age of progress and the return reactionary archaism, identitarianism and tribalism:

http://www.directupload.net/file/d/4486/8rrlwfhb_jpg

The blocks do not represent states or empires but “spheres of influence”. The red arrows represent troop movements during WW3.

Cloggie on Tue, 27th Sep 2016 10:31 am 



Very instructive article of how support in the Syrian war functions:

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/09/todenh%C3%B6fer-interview-with-al-nusra-commander-the-americans-stand-on-our-side.html

(translated from German original)

Jürgen Todenhöfer is one of the very few journalists “on the ground in Syria”. He spoke with a al-Nusra rebel about who gave them the weapons.

Abu al-Ezz, commander, says about Jabhat al-Nusra (al-Qaeda): “We are one part of al-Qaeda. Our principles are: Fighting vice, pureness and security. Our affairs and our way have changed. Israel, for example, is now supporting us, because Israel is at war with Syria and with Hizbullah.

Our aim is the downfall of the dictatorial regime, the tyrannical regime, the regime of the apostate. Our aim is the conduct of conquests, like [the great Arab general] Khaled ibn al-Walid made them. First in the Arab world and then in Europe.”

Yes, the U.S. support the opposition, but not directly. They support the countries which support us…

…it is through the American “TOW” that we have the situation in some regions under control.

No, the missiles were give directly to us. They were delivered to a certain group. When the “road” was closed and we were besieged we had officers here from Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Israel and the United States…

We do not recognize the ceasefire. We will reposition our groups. We will undertake in the next, in a few days an overwhelming attack against the regime. We have rearranged all our armed forces in all provinces, in Homs, Aleppo, Idlib and Hama…

We accept no one from the Assad-regime or from the Free Syrian Army, which is called moderate. Our aim is the downfall of the regime and the founding of an Islamic state according to the Islamic sharia.