At 7:27 pm Paris time (ECT), the President of the COP, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius, gavelled the Paris Agreement home. The crowd stood, applauded and whooped. The text is here: http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2015/cop21/eng/l09.pdf
Success, it seemed to us, came because of the unions. They were not dockworkers or ironmongers. They were unions of countries with brands that read like corporate logos: AOSIS, ALBA, G77 Plus, High Ambition, the Like-Minded in favor of Kyoto Annexes, stealth-OPEC. No single effort could broker a deal unless it got the big unions on board. In the end ALBA and stealth-OPEC were too small to matter. The Like-Minded splintered in favor of the Ambitious. AOSIS and G77, the Climate Vulnerable Forum, and High Ambition ruled.
In their 2 minute closer, Philippines noted it was the first time that the concept of Climate Justice appears in a legally binding document. In time, they hinted, the United States and other overdeveloped countries will be made to pay reparations to those who will lose all or substantial parts of their counties, including all that high-priced real estate in Rio, Capetown, Shanghai and Hong Kong. Consumerist Empires built on fossil energy may have an unusually large credit card statement coming at the end of the billing cycle.
Pluses and minuses in the new agreement: the 1.5C target is in, thanks to the efforts of UNFCCC head Christina Figueres to give a voice to civil society in these corridors. Five-year ‘stocktakes’ (Websters Dictionary please take note) — reassessment of progress and commitments — are in. Full phase-out of fossil energy by 2050 is not, but that door is not entirely closed and may be reopened at Marrakech next year.
“Each Party’s successive nationally determined contribution will represent a progression beyond the Party’s then current nationally determined contribution and reflect its highest possible ambition, reflecting its common but differentiated responsibilities and respective capabilities, in the light of different national circumstances.”
What the text mandates, which is actually significant, is to “achieve a balance between anthropogenic emissions by sources and removals by sinks of greenhouse gases in the second half of this century, on the basis of equity, and in the context of sustainable development and efforts to eradicate poverty.”
Decarbonization by 2050 is no longer just a t-shirt. Now it’s international law.
Bill McKibben said:
“Every government seems now to recognize that the fossil fuel era must end and soon. But the power of the fossil fuel industry is reflected in the text, which drags out the transition so far that endless climate damage will be done. Since pace is the crucial question now, activists must redouble our efforts to weaken that industry. This didn’t save the planet but it may have saved the chance of saving the planet.”
350.org Executive director, May Boeve said:
“This marks the end of the era of fossil fuels. There is no way to meet the targets laid out in this agreement without keeping coal, oil and gas in the ground. The text should send a clear signal to fossil fuel investors: divest now.
The final text still has some serious gaps. We’re very concerned about the exclusion of the rights of indigenous peoples, the lack of finance for loss and damage, and that while the text recognizes the importance of keeping global warming below 1.5 degrees C, the current commitments from countries still add up to well over 3 degrees of warming. These are red lines we cannot cross. After Paris, we’ll be redoubling our efforts to deliver the real solutions that science and justice demand.”
The thinktank E3G said, “The transition to a low carbon economy is now unstoppable, ensuring the end of the fossil fuel age.”
Carbon Tracker said: “Fossil fuel companies will need to accept that they are an ex-growth stocks and must urgently re-assess their business plans accordingly.”
The Guardian called it “a victory for climate science and ultimate defeat for fossil fuels.”
One piece of statescraft managed by Obama and Kerry was to neatly skirt what killed Kyoto: the 60 Neanderthals in the US Senate put there by the coal kings Koch Brothers. The New York Times spotted the play and reported:
Some elements of the accord would be voluntary, while others would be legally binding. That hybrid structure was specifically intended to ensure the support of the United States: An accord that would have required legally binding targets for emissions reductions would be legally interpreted as a new treaty, and would be required to go before the Senate for ratification.
Such a proposal would be dead on arrival in the Republican-controlled Senate, where many lawmakers question the established science of climate change, and where even more hope to thwart President Obama’s climate change agenda.
***The accord uses the language of an existing treaty, the 1992 United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, to put forth legally binding language requiring countries to verify their emissions, and to periodically put forth new, tougher domestic plans over time.
In just updating regulations enacted under an already ratified treaty, the Paris Agreement bypasses the need for new Senate ratification.
Inside Le Bourget, after the obligatory high fives and selfies, delegates crafted sound bytes for the press and kept the lights on and microphones active past midnight. Outside, 10,000 activists took to the streets to pull a “red line,” representing 1.5 degrees, to the Arc de Triomphe.
French President Francois Hollande, who has a gift for hyperbole, said “History is made by those who commit, not those who calculate. Today you committed. You did not calculate.” Although not in the way he meant it, this is ironically a first-rate assessment of the Agreement.
There is a quality of awareness among all the delegates to the Paris climate talks that, after 20 years of these discussions, is passing strange. We would not call it a deer-in-the-headlights look, because it is not even quite there yet. Those jockeying for the best outcome for their own economies and constituencies are still quite oblivious to the science of what is transpiring and the seriousness of the threat. They have their noses down in the trough and do not hear the butcher at the barn door.
This should not be surprising. Nowhere in the fossil record is there anything quite like what is transforming the world of humans today. Our physical brains are virtually the same as they were 30,000 years ago, when we were standing upright in the savannah, alert to proximate, not distant, threats and quickly obtained, not slowly exploited, resources.
We make ourselves ignorant in at least three ways: not knowing the basic science of climate change, not knowing what to do about it once we
become aware of the problem, and being barraged with wrong information about both of those and being unable to distinguish fact from fiction.
We might think that a lamb raised in New Zealand and eaten in London would create more greenhouse gases than one being locally grown, but in the way the world works today, the opposite is true. We might think that going vegan is more climate responsible than raising farmed animals, but because of how pastured animals stock soils with carbon, the opposite can be true. We might think, as climate scientist James Hansen does, that low prices for gas cause more fossil fuels to be burned, but the opposite is true, because low prices keep whole provinces of production from being tapped.
When disciplined and deliberate attempts by profit-driven vested interests in the production of greenhouse gases cast doubt on science and corrupt politics and the media, grasping these nuances becomes even more difficult.
We are a lucky species in that our optimism is more-or-less hard-wired. People tend to be overly optimistic about their chances of having a happy marriage or avoiding illness. Young people are easily lured to join the military, become combat photographers, or engage in extreme-risk sports because they are unrealistically optimistic they can avoid harm. Humans are also overly optimistic about environmental risks. Our confirmation bias helps us keep up this optimism even when confronted with scientific truths to the contrary.
The principal outcome is less about the how than about the whether. The COP agreed that the era of fossil energy is over. That is no longer in question. It will end by 2050, if not sooner. The question is how, and the Paris Agreement leaves that to fairy dust.
The Guardian reports:
Throughout the week, campaigners have said the deal had to send a clear signal to global industry that the era of fossil fuels was ending. Scientists have seen the moment as career defining.
Carbon Tracker said:
“New energy technologies have become hugely cost-competitive in recent years and the effect of the momentum created in Paris will only accelerate that trend. The need for financial markets to fund the clean energy transition creates opportunity for growth on a scale not seen since the industrial revolution.”
What will replace fossil energy? The basket of renewables described by Jeremy Leggett in Winning the Carbon War? There is a slight problem there, and one wonders how long it will take for that to catch up to the delegates. Perhaps by the first stocktake, but maybe longer.
The problem, as often described on this site and elaborated in our book, the Post-Petroleum Survival Guide (2006), is net energy, or return on energy investment (EROEI), first elaborated by systems ecologist Howard T. Odum. These days the leading scientists in that field are calling it “biophysical economics.”
To put it as simply as possible, the source of almost all our energy is the sun. When the EROEI of a resource is less than or equal to one, that energy source becomes a net “energy sink”, and can no longer be used as a source of energy, but depending on the system might be useful for energy storage (for example a battery, or the tidal storage in Scotland). A fuel or energy must have an EROEI ratio of at least 3:1 to be considered viable as a prominent fuel or energy source. This chart shows typical values for various technologies.
Right now most of what powers the world comes from the top half of that chart. The Paris agreement suggests that most of what we need by 2050 must be selected from portions of the bottom half of the chart — the so-called “clean” energies.” Quoth the prophet, Wikipedia:
Thomas Homer-Dixon argues that a falling EROEI in the Later Roman Empire was one of the reasons for the collapse of the Western Empire in the fifth century CE. In “The Upside of Down” he suggests that EROEI analysis provides a basis for the analysis of the rise and fall of civilizations. Looking at the maximum extent of the Roman Empire, (60 million) and its technological base the agrarian base of Rome was about 1:12 per hectare for wheat and 1:27 for alfalfa (giving a 1:2.7 production for oxen). One can then use this to calculate the population of the Roman Empire required at its height, on the basis of about 2,500–3,000 calories per day per person. It comes out roughly equal to the area of food production at its height. But ecological damage (deforestation, soil fertility loss particularly in southern Spain, southern Italy, Sicily and especially north Africa) saw a collapse in the system beginning in the 2nd century, as EROEI began to fall. It bottomed in 1084 when Rome’s population, which had peaked under Trajan at 1.5 million, was only 15,000. Evidence also fits the cycle of Mayan and Cambodian collapse too. Joseph Tainter suggests that diminishing returns of the EROEI is a chief cause of the collapse of complex societies, this has been suggested as caused by peak wood in early societies. Falling EROEI due to depletion of high quality fossil fuel resources also poses a difficult challenge for industrial economies.
When we hear pleas from underdeveloping countries for greater financial assistance to allow them to adapt — meaning building out renewable energy and migrating coastal cities inland — we have to ask ourselves if they really comprehend what they will need to adapt to, and whether any amount of money will ever be enough. The status quo ante – the way things worked before — is gone, and so is the modo omnia futura. One hundred billion dollars per year is not enough to save human beings as a species but asking for more won’t help, either. What might help is committing to degrowth, depopulation, and scaling back our human footprint to something closer to what we had coming out of the last Ice Age, before we started building monumental cities, mining metal, and inventing writing. We don’t need to abandon writing, but lets get real — those megacities may be unsalvageable on a solar budget.
Dr. Guy McPherson writes:
Astrophysicists have long believed Earth was near the center of the habitable zone for humans. Recent research published in the 10 March 2013 issue of Astrophysical Journal indicates Earth is on the inner edge of the habitable zone, and lies within 1% of inhabitability (1.5 million km, or 5 times the distance from Earth to Earth’s moon). A minor change in Earth’s atmosphere removes human habitat. Unfortunately, we’ve invoked major changes.
This discussion seems strangely absent, despite the pushback against Saudi Arabia and India after they succeeded in excluding the substantive recommendations of the Structured Expert Dialogue from the COP. They were not allowed to dump the provisions on transparency and uniform accounting, although it was not for lack of effort.
Instead, we keep hearing reference to an outdated and unfortunate IPCC number — the bent straw everyone is grasping for — that to have a 50-50 chance of limiting warming to 2°C (itself untenably overheated), cumulative emissions to end of century and beyond must be limited to 1 trillion tonnes of carbon dioxide in total, starting 5 years ago. In that past five years we burned through one tenth – 100 Gt. Most predict that with added growth (a big assumption) we’ll have burned through 75% of this “budget” by 2030 and we’ll bust the budget around 2036. If we cut back, we might have until 2060.
Kumi Naidoo of Greenpeace said, “We have a 1.5C wall to climb but the ladder is not tall enough.” But he acknowledged, “As a result of what we have secured here we will win… for us Paris was always a stop on an ongoing journey… I believe we are now in with a serious chance to succeed.”
Glen Peters, scientist at CICERO, said 1.5C effectively requires a fossil fuel phase-out by 2030. He later clarified that was without negative emissions or the immediate introduction of a global carbon price, which are some of the assumptions in 1.5C models. His personal view was chances of achieving 1.5C were “extremely slim.”
Will voluntary pledges, revisited every five years starting in 2023 be enough to cut emissions and hold to the budget? It is the wrong question. That budget does not exist. Closer scrutiny of embedded systemic feedbacks reveal we’d blown though any possible atmospheric buffer zone by the 1970s and have just been piling on carbon up there every since.
The Atlantic today reports:
Recent science has indicated that warming to two degrees, still the stated international red line, might be catastrophic, creating mega-hurricanes and possibly halting the temperate jet stream which waters American and European farmland.
From that perspective, 1.5 degrees is an encouraging, ambitious goal. But it’s also a promise that costs negotiators nothing while indicating great moral seriousness.
Because here’s the thing: The math still doesn’t work. 2015 is the hottest year on measure. Because of the delay between when carbon enters the atmosphere and when it traps heat, we are nearly locked into nearly 1.5 degrees of warming already. Many thought the world would abandon the two degree target at Paris due to its impracticality.
Once we apply honestly science-based Earth system sensitivity at equilibrium, excluding none of the feedbacks and forcings that we know of, we discover we passed the 2°C target in 1978. To hold at 2 degrees we would need to bring CO2 concentration down to 334 ppm, not increase it to 450 as the Paris Agreement contemplates. To hold at 1.5°C we would need to vacuum the atmosphere even lower, to a level last seen some time before mid-20th century.
Outside of elite scientists such as those we’ve mentioned this past week — Anderson, Schellnhuber, Rockstrom, Hansen, Wasdell, and Goreau — few in Le Bourget seem to grasp some simple arithmetic. And so we are treated to the spectacle of fossil producers like India, Russia, Saudi Arabia and many of the underdeveloping countries demanding more time to fill up the available atmospheric space, when in reality there is none and hasn’t been for quite some time.
Some say the UN is hamstrung by multilateral consensus, but voting would be no better. After the COP meeting in Durban, the UNFCCC adopted a traditional South African negotiating format to speed up decision-making and bring opposing countries together. The Guardian’s John Vidal explains:
Zulu and Xhosa communities use “indabas” to give everyone equal opportunity to voice their opinions in order to work toward consensus.
They were first used in UN climate talks in Durban in 2011 when, with the talks deadlocked and the summit just minutes from collapse, the South African presidency asked the main countries to form a standing circle in the middle of hundreds of delegates and to talk directly to each other.
Instead of repeating stated positions, diplomats were encouraged to talk personally and quietly about their “red lines” and to propose solutions to each other.
By including everyone and allowing often hostile countries to speak in earshot of observers, it achieved a remarkable breakthrough within 30 minutes.
In Paris the indaba format was used by France to narrow differences between countries behind closed doors. It is said to have rapidly slimmed down a ballooning text with hundreds of potential points of disagreements.
By Wednesday with agreement still far away, French prime minister Laurent Fabius further refined the indaba by splitting groups into two.
“It is a very effective way to streamline negotiations and bridge differences. It has the advantage of being participatory yet fair”, said one West African diplomat. “It should be used much more when no way through a problem can be found.”
What may need to happen next year in Marrakech is that the COP host an indaba with experts both in the climate sciences and in biophysical economics.
What may hold out the best hope lies buried 20 pages in, at Article 4:
In order to achieve the long-term temperature goal set out in Article 2, Parties aim to reach global peaking of greenhouse gas emissions as soon as possible, recognizing that peaking will take longer for developing country Parties, and to undertake rapid reductions thereafter in accordance with best available science, so as to achieve a balance between anthropogenic emissions by sources and removals by sinks of greenhouse gases in the second half of this century, on the basis of equity, and in the context of sustainable development and efforts to eradicate poverty.
Article 5:
1. Parties should take action to conserve and enhance, as appropriate, sinks and reservoirs of greenhouse gases as referred to in Article 4, paragraph 1(d), of the Convention, including forests.
2. Parties are encouraged to take action to implement and support, including through results-based payments, the existing framework as set out in related guidance and decisions already agreed under the Convention for: policy approaches and positive incentives for activities relating to reducing emissions from deforestation and forest degradation, and the role of conservation, sustainable management of forests and enhancement of forest carbon stocks in developing countries; and alternative policy approaches, such as joint mitigation and adaptation approaches for the integral and sustainable management of forests, while reaffirming the importance of incentivizing, as appropriate, non-carbon benefits associated with such approaches.
It is not yet clear whether integrated food and fuel sequenced permaculturally designed forests, composed of mixed aged, mixed species robust ecologies and maximum carbon sequestration though biomass-to-biochar energy and agriculture systems will be scaled fast enough, but these two articles could be the spark they need to spur investment.
As the clock ticked on towards end of day, the leader of the High Ambition group, Tony de Blum, introduced to the plenary an 18-year-old girl from Majuro who spoke of water gradually rising on three sides of her home.
“The coconut leaf I wear in my hair and hold up in my hand is from my home in the Marshall Islands. I wear them today in hope of keeping them for my children and my grandchildren — a symbol, these simple strands of coconut leaves that I wear. … Keep these leaves and give them to your children, and tell them a story — of how you helped my islands and the whole world today. This agreement is for those of us whose identity, whose culture, whose ancestors, whose whole being, is bound to their lands. I have only spoken about myself and my islands but the same story will play out everywhere in the world.”


penury on Wed, 16th Dec 2015 10:19 am
We can stand around celebrating doing nothing, or actually try to solve the predicament. As option 2 appeared to be impossible, everyone opted for option 1. It is apparent that nothing can or will be done. The human species is going away. It may take a hundred years but the destruction is already beyond being stoppable.
Plantagenet on Wed, 16th Dec 2015 10:56 am
The words “fossil fuel” never appear in the Paris treaty.
It would’ve been nice if obama and the other world leaders had taken concrete steps to end fossil fuels, but there is nothing in the Paris treaty about ending fossil fuels. In fact, if you add up the separate “commitments” of the nations that signed the treaty, they add up to a hefty INCREASE in the use of fossil fuels.
cheers!
Truth Has A Liberal Bias on Wed, 16th Dec 2015 11:31 am
Too little. Too late. I’m prepping for the collapse. As soon as a storm causes a saltwater wave to hit the Mekong Delta you can kiss a vast proportion of the worlds rice production capability goodbye. Long before coastal real estate and cities face erosion due to rising seas we will experience famine on a vast scale. Mekong Delta is for the most part only 3 feet above sea level. Home to millions. Rice for billions. We don’t need 3 feet of sea rise to destroy the rice farms. A cyclone event will create storm conditions that see the sea water pushed into the delta.
paulo1 on Wed, 16th Dec 2015 11:38 am
Truth
Add to that Bangladesh, which won’t bode well if a migration to India is required.
Apneaman on Wed, 16th Dec 2015 11:53 am
COP21 did not matter one little bit as far as our collective fate goes. Just one more juke and jive propaganda coup by TTB. It’s easy when the sheep are desperate to hear the party in never going to end. Propaganda works on most people; that’s just the way apes are wired. I tend to think our doom was sealed way back in our evolutionary past when our brains took a cognitive leap crossed the technological Rubicon. Fire, flint knapping, etc. I’m sure some of TPTB don’t believe any of it, but most know what is going down and COP21 and all the rest of it is just them doing what they can to remain in power for as long as possible – till doomsday preferably. If you were one of them what would you do, tell the truth? It was a done deal decades ago and we just didn’t know it.
Apes be walking the Green Mile
The Arctic Is Warming at an Unprecedented Rate>
http://www.livescience.com/53111-arctic-warming-fast-in-2015.html
…a shift from a glacial to an interglacial climate that began about 630,000 years ago. Their research demonstrates that, although this transition developed over seven centuries, the initial shift required only 50 years. Called a deglacial episode because of its association with the melting of large Northern Hemisphere ice sheets, this interval illustrates the extreme sensitivity to change of the Earth’s climate system.”
“Of the 13 degree Fahrenheit total change, a shift of 7 to 9 degrees occurred almost immediately right at the beginning.”
” The warming associated with the major climatic shift was accompanied by simultaneous releases of methane — a potent greenhouse gas.”
http://www.news.ucsb.edu/2015/016158/dissecting-paleoclimate-change
Listen to Dr Shakhova in this 3 min interview – when I make the same claims they call me a conspiracy theorist or doomer nutter.
Dr Natalia Shakhova East Siberian Arctic Shelf – Methane And Climate Change
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVi1lotRLRU
Listen to Dr Shakhova in this 2012 interview and hear her concern and watch the dread in her face.
Methane Hydrates – With Natalia Shakhova
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx1Jxk6kjbQ
Truth Has A Liberal Bias on Wed, 16th Dec 2015 11:59 am
In 2008 the Mekong Delta produced 20 million tons of rice. An ocean swell due to a cyclone could easily wipe out all agriculture below 3 feet above sea level.
http://sites.tufts.edu/gis/files/2013/02/Smallwood_Marianne.pdf
The Red River Delta is further north and on average higher above sea level but much would also be lost to an ocean storm surge event.
Truth Has A Liberal Bias on Wed, 16th Dec 2015 12:05 pm
India pretty much has Bangladesh fenced in. They will die in place. India will not tolerate any alternatives.
http://www.wallbreakers.eu/india-bangladesh-2/
Apneaman on Wed, 16th Dec 2015 12:10 pm
Salt water increasingly attacks Vietnam’s Mekong Delta
http://tuoitrenews.vn/society/29503/salt-water-increasingly-attacks-vietnams-mekong-delta
Meet the Mekong Delta Rice Farmers Who Are on the Frontline of Sea Level Rise
https://news.vice.com/article/meet-the-mekong-delta-rice-farmers-who-are-on-the-frontline-of-sea-level-rise
Apneaman on Wed, 16th Dec 2015 12:34 pm
Well that didn’t take long.
Japan, S Korea plan 61 new coal plants in next 10 years, despite global climate deal
“Less than a week since signing the global climate deal in Paris, Japan and South Korea are pressing ahead with plans to open scores of new coal-fired power plants, casting doubt on the strength of their commitment to cutting CO2 emissions.
Even as many of the world’s rich nations seek to phase out the use of coal, Asia’s two most developed economies are burning more than ever and plan to add at least 60 new coal-fired power plants over the next 10 years.
Officials at both countries’ energy ministries said those plans were unchanged.”
http://www.dailysabah.com/asia/2015/12/15/japan-s-korea-plan-61-new-coal-plants-in-next-10-years-despite-global-climate-deal
Plantagenet on Wed, 16th Dec 2015 12:36 pm
Good post, Apeman.
Go Speed Racer on Wed, 16th Dec 2015 1:08 pm
Such a scam. Makes dumb liberals swoon with the illusion of progress, while the diplomats run back to their world of private jets, Maserati’s and four thousand dollar hookers. (two are better than one).
Apneaman on Wed, 16th Dec 2015 2:02 pm
No not long at all.
India says Paris climate deal won’t affect plans to double coal output
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-climatechange-summit-india-coal-idUSKBN0TX15F20151214
makati1 on Wed, 16th Dec 2015 7:53 pm
Species suicide.
Spec on Wed, 16th Dec 2015 8:39 pm
It is possible. My solar PV panels generate 110% of the net electricity that both my house and car use.
OK, I am still dependent on natural gas . . . but I could probably get rid of that too if I tried. (Install a heat pump system, add more solar PV, induction range, etc.)
Spec on Wed, 16th Dec 2015 8:42 pm
*looks at above discussion*
Yeah, rising sea levels combined with storm surges really could ‘salt the earth’ of a lot of very valuable delta farmland around the planet. That worries me . . . as we will have more mouths to feed and less farmland. And then throw in heatwaves in the middle of continents that could wipe out crops.
The book ‘Climate Wars’ by Gwynne Dyer is highly recommended.
GregT on Wed, 16th Dec 2015 11:41 pm
“It is possible. My solar PV panels generate 110% of the net electricity that both my house and car use.
OK, I am still dependent on natural gas . . . but I could probably get rid of that too if I tried.”
Don’t kid yourself Spec, because you are certainly not fooling anybody else. You are as reliant on fossil fuels as the rest of us, for the things that actually matter.
makati1 on Thu, 17th Dec 2015 2:01 am
I wonder where the light bulbs Spec uses come from? His computer? His car? His house? The food on his table? Etc.
Last time I looked, they ALL came directly or indirectly from mines. Mines using oil energy to be worked.
Panels may last 20 years, but if you are not totally DC electric, the converter is only gonna last maybe 10 if you are lucky. Then those panels are just glass on your roof. But, by then, all of your electric junk will have stopped working long before anyway. Planned obsolescence, it is called.
I’m 71 so maybe I will benefit from solar panels for the rest of my life, but most here won’t. Like a glass of water when you are lost in the desert. An extender, not an answer.
Davy on Thu, 17th Dec 2015 6:03 am
Spec, be realistic with going off the grid. Your involvement with modern life involves being fossil fuel dependent. It does not matter if you are completely off the grid for your energy. You likely cannot produce all your food much of which has fossil fuels as its basis. Your consumer goods from forks to socks have a fossil fuels basis. Security and other vital services have a fossil fuel basis. As long as our communities are fossil fuel supported you are. I don’t care how far off the grid you are you are at risk for fossil fuel depletion. In a world of 7Bil people of which 6Bil have fossil fuels as a basis no place on this earth is safe.
I will acknowledge you are doing something more sustainable. I will also say that location and the people in that location vary considerably in regards to survivability. It is well known on this board which areas have more or less survivability. You could be 100% energy self-sufficient and totally prepped and be in the wrong location. Someone that is much less prepared will be in a better situation then you in a collapse. Location and the people in that location trump anything else in my doom and prep book.
PracticalMaina on Thu, 17th Dec 2015 1:19 pm
Spec add solar thermal! Passive solar hot air is the easiest renewable you can do! I want some of those hybrid panels that use a coolant on the back of pv to capture heat.
Makati, good points Recycling of rare earth metals and other elements important to society should be a top priority, LEDs have long lives compared to other types of bulbs. Also just glass on your roof may not be that bad because glass is an expense and usefull for solar thermal, which would be a fallback if the world could not keep some type of PV manufacturing on some level.
Apneaman on Thu, 17th Dec 2015 5:06 pm
COP21 Review, Benjamin the Donkey!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufIz23d-tws
Apneaman on Thu, 17th Dec 2015 5:09 pm
Fracking under national parks backed by MPs
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-35107203
Apneaman on Thu, 17th Dec 2015 5:12 pm
Cheap gas spurs SUV sales and puts U.S. climate goals at risk
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-autos-emissions-idUSKBN0TZ0HY20151216
Apneaman on Thu, 17th Dec 2015 5:16 pm
Govt awards new oil permits straight after COP21
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/element-magazine/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503340&objectid=11562582
Apneaman on Thu, 17th Dec 2015 5:21 pm
The Yeast Cells, Benjamin the Donkey!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J08VES6bOck
peakyeast on Thu, 17th Dec 2015 7:53 pm
Politically the agreement is fantastic piece of work.
From a scientific climate perspective it is a friggin disaster.
peakyeast on Thu, 17th Dec 2015 8:06 pm
@Mak: The solar panels can last much longer. Especially if the owner has half a brain and checks the sealant around the frames.
Silicium based panels has a life of 20-25 years, but that is just a definition: After 20-25 years they are at 80% of original output. Thus they can easily be extended to 50 years or more and still give a reasonable output.
Concerning the inverter: Yes most inverters last between 5 and 15 years. But it is ONE type of component that normally sets the limits in passively cooled versions (in actively cooled the ventilator bearings also become a problem): The capacitors. They dry out eventually. But the cost of new capacitors are minuscule compared to a new inverter at the moment.
They are easy to replace and doesnt require anything but technician level knowledge.
But concerning the production of the bulbs, capacitors, car and so forth in the future: I completely agree.
makati1 on Thu, 17th Dec 2015 8:16 pm
peaky, I hope you are correct, but have you actually owned one of those 25 year panels for 25 years to see if the claims are correct? I learned a long time ago to disbelieve any such claims by manufacturers who do not back it up with a free replacement guarantee for those 25 years. Not the usual 90 day one things have today.
What if you cannot buy a capacitor anywhere at any price? Who is going to make them when the SHTF? You?
Not being contrary, but jst asking you to think beyond the store shelf.
BTW: few have the tech know-how to change a light switch let alone a capacitor. They just throw it away and buy new.
peakyeast on Thu, 17th Dec 2015 8:31 pm
Hi Mak
Nope I have not, but we have the solar panels that were produced in the 70s and 80s as reference. While I do not have owned them personally – I have inherited a few 10 and 20w panels and they perform great.
And concerning the capacitor: Read the last paragraph I wrote: I completely agree that the problem concerning availability exist.
Actually it is primarily grid-tie inverters that has a need for large capacitors and if TSHTF there will not be a grid – so it will be a pure buck inverter that is needed.
I know how to construct these without capacitors – so the problem lies in the batteries, but lead acid is possible to maintain and rework for a loong time if you care to fiddle with poisonous substances.
Anyway – there are many levels of TSHTF possible in the time I have before I expire.
GregT on Thu, 17th Dec 2015 8:45 pm
As usual, the focus is mainly on keeping some semblance of BAU alive. No thought appears to be given to the things that we actually need to survive, only the very things that are threatening our survival.
Welcome to the land of human exceptionalist bizarro.
peakyeast on Thu, 17th Dec 2015 9:18 pm
@GregT: Sorry Greg, I have already concluded that there is no point in doing anything about the climate, biodiversity, the pollution, the resistant germs and all the other multitude of problems that civilization has lined up to hit us at about the same time.
My plan is to enjoy life as long as possible.
When TSHTF noone is safe anywhere. – Perhaps in some closed loop bunker where one has blown up the entrance.
And there you can spend your time as a really really clever “black box”. 🙂
Apneaman on Thu, 17th Dec 2015 10:06 pm
Watch 25 Years of Arctic Sea Ice Disappear in 1 Minute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw7GfNR5PLA
Centuries of Melting Already Locked in for Polar Ice, Scientists Say
‘If we have a prolonged period of time at 2 degrees, we are probably going to lose Greenland, and that is 7 meters of sea level rise.
http://insideclimatenews.org/news/17122015/centuries-melting-locked-in-polar-ice-scientists-greenland-arctic-climate-change
Greenland has lost a staggering amount of ice — and it’s only getting worse
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/12/16/greenland-has-lost-a-staggering-amount-of-ice-and-its-only-getting-worse/?postshare=6131450289470412&tid=ss_tw
Apneaman on Thu, 17th Dec 2015 10:09 pm
Great writing here.
Incantations of Gratitude
http://prayforcalamity.com/2015/12/17/incantations-of-gratitude/
GregT on Fri, 18th Dec 2015 12:03 am
@peaky,
No need to apologize. I have come to the same conclusions as you have. I still get pissed about it all from time to time.
Sorry for my rants, and for my future rants as well. 🙂
Davy on Fri, 18th Dec 2015 6:02 am
What is the minimum operating level for the status quo? This really goes deeper than that because this operating level will bifurcate into regional and national levels with a new operating levels related to those circumstances. This will possibly be a process of gradual dropping and continuous change at a time frame that is quantifiable. What I mean by that is there will be no floor but the continuous drop will be livable. Ultimately a floor will be found but maybe not for generations.
I feel we are nearing an end to global connectivity of man at the level we are at. This is a hyper complex level of dependence on comparative advantages driven by economies of scale and liquidity from confidence of exchange. This can’t last long in a descent. It is one thing to accept bad debt at a local level and keep on trading but bad debt far away without recourse is another story. Letter of credits by definition have more risk than local credit. Bad debt ends economies it is as simple as that.
The first issue is can we break to a regional and national level anymore? We have so much dependence at every level. This is vital dependence of food and spare parts. Sure we have cheap Asian plastic going to the west in the form of consumerism. This is not the problem on one level because a majority of consumer items can be done without. We can reuse, cannibalize and start cottage industries for example to make forks or socks. The real issues is economies of scale for parts for vital support products and systems. All the stupid electronic gadgets we complain about do serve an economy of scale function to allow vital systems spare parts.
Food and fuel are huge issues. Short mentioned how we can ramp up local and maybe regional production, processing, distribution with end use for oil products. This is exciting from the point of view of regional survival but it also points to as energy value to the economy drops the global system that moves huge amounts of fuel around will not continue. This will directly affect food with its vast globally dispersed monocultures supported by industrial products and especially oil. As the ocean continues to die these vast monocultures will increasingly be relied on to support 7BIL people. The ocean is our last vast commons of wild food that is almost dead. Climate change will further reduce the productivity of this food industry.
How low can economic activity go and we still manage to keep this hyper global system going? Then my question is can this system bifurcate and land at a regional and national level. The very condition of let say millions and it could be billions dying from hunger from a failed global system is an issue. Will widespread failure of states with war, migrations, and disruption of vital trade make a landing of a regional or national level unlikely?
I have always said it is the scaling of time that is important. Our survival will depend on the degree and duration of our descent. This is profoundly important because we know we cannot save the status quo but we can save a new place that falls out of the failed status quo. This of course will be itself transitory because of all the converging variables of descent facing us. This fall will have to eventually go as far as a few hundred million people per an estimate of the physics of an earth system support for humans. Without a modern system 1BIL is likely all that can be supported and we must discount that with ecological destruction, resource depletion, and climate instability. It is the process that could go on for a few generations that is important. Yes we must end up at a few hundred million but during the time it takes to get there we must live.
We must have options and ideas for this period post hyper global that could be a post global but still connected. This world could resemble the 19th century in many ways. We must have ideas and knowledge available for mechanical wind and solar. Food systems must change. Shelter must adapt with biomass heating and passive cooling. Transport with wind and animals. We most importantly must have a food system ideas ready.
If we have a long emergency these things can be done. The death and dying is required. Shorter lifespans with a huge increase in infant mortality. Drastic localization for many initially and most eventually. Our study now should be on the next level down. We should not be worrying about saving what we have as we see with the Paris party. Nothing can be saved in regards to the status quo. Let’s plan on collapse and what’s next at minimum at the intellectual level.
What level can we fall to and what do we need to make that level work. Most of what I see out of the doom crowd is why we will collapse not where we might land and what we can do there. Collapse is a process. Process indicates a time function. We hear so many times people on our board talk about collapse in Hollywood terms and yes we are friggen going to have some Hollywood but I imagine this is going to be slow and boring too. It is the slow and boring part that will allow some adaptation and adjustment.
Apneaman on Fri, 18th Dec 2015 3:27 pm
Scarred Riverbeds and Dead Pistachio Trees in a Parched Iran
“Iran is in the grip of a seven-year drought that shows no sign of breaking and that, many experts believe, may be the new normal. Even a return to past rainfall levels might not be enough to head off a nationwide water crisis, since the country has already consumed 70 percent of its groundwater supplies over the past 50 years.
Always arid, Iran is facing desertification as lakes and rivers dry up and once-fertile plains become barren. According to the United Nations, Iran is home to four of the 10 most polluted cities in the world, with dust and desertification among the leading causes.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/19/world/middleeast/scarred-riverbeds-and-dead-pistachio-trees-in-a-parched-iran.html