Fargo mulls fueling buses, garbage trucks with landfill gas

18 Comments on "Fargo mulls fueling buses, garbage trucks with landfill gas"

Dave T on Mon, 2nd Mar 2015 9:51 pm 



“Besides saving money, natural gas burns cleaner than diesel or gasoline, which means less greenhouse gas and pollutants.” Greenwashing away all of humanity’s problems.

Go Speed Racer. on Mon, 2nd Mar 2015 11:23 pm 



This is the stupidest thing I ever see in my life. Proof that the fat pig Wal-Mart Americans are too stupid to find their hole with both hands cause all that fat got in the way.

Here is reality. You don’t fill up a Ravine with leftover metals, glass, resources and plastics and other fuels and wonder if maybe a little gas come out the top. No. Instead you sort out ALL the trash and recycle ALL the metals and then you burn ALL the plastics and paper and other fibers in an industrial incinerator. That way you don’t throw anything into a ravine, not even a paper clip. And you tap all the energy. But oh no, here comes the retard brigade telling me how wrong I am and how its better to dig up half the planet and bury it on the other half, then hope a few ounces of Nat gas will squeeze out later. And the Wal-Mart hogs so much smarter than me. Ok.

GregT on Tue, 3rd Mar 2015 12:09 am 



Hmm Speed,

According to most of the world’s scientists, policy makers, and leaders, climate change is the biggest threat ever faced by mankind on this planet. Yet you believe that the answer to all of our problems is to continue to ‘incinerate’ everything in sight in order to generate more energy?

The retard brigade doesn’t agree with you. They believe that we face the very real possibility of a global mass extinction event, if we don’t stop adding ever increasing amounts of greenhouse gasses into the environment.

As has been the case for most municipalities in North America for quite some time now, all paper products, plastics, etc, are not burned, they are recycled into new products. Methane is a byproduct of decomposing organic material, or compost. The methane will be released into the atmosphere regardless, and seeing how methane is a far more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2, it makes much more sense to burn that methane, rather than to simply allow it to leach into the environment.

Rodster on Tue, 3rd Mar 2015 5:24 am 



25 years just to break even, nuff said. The following was paid advertising by “Short”.

Go Speed Racer on Tue, 3rd Mar 2015 6:29 am 



OK you are right. Lets dump the garbage into a big heap. Then lets burn lots of fossil fuel to dig up the forests, and get to the coal underneath. Then lets burn all the coal. Then lets sprinkle more garbage all over the place so that nobody ever realized there once was a forest there. U right, I wrong. Thanks for the correction.

Davy on Tue, 3rd Mar 2015 6:52 am 



I take back a previous post about the anti-Americanism of the site posting people. This is a positive American article of a city trying to adapt and mitigate to the end of BAU. Yet, it is too little too late and likely a failed attempt at a long term viable investment. Yet, I would say it is better than a new Nascar track or dome stadium for the sheeples.

The fact is BAU has a shelf life that is likely within 10 years per POD & ETP of its foundational commodity oil. The meat eating black swan of financial collapse and war are ever present. IMA war or financial collapse will collapse BAU and complexity. These landfills will be housing people not plastic shit from Asia.

I cannot fault these people for doing what they can to mitigate and adapt to BAU based pollution and environmental degradation. It is a pity the real and effective tools of mitigation and adaptation cannot and will not be chosen except by crisis. A crisis may be too late for effective changes. We need to localize, embrace seasonality and variability. We need viable FF extenders like effective small scale AltE.

We have to lower population and quick. There are no palatable options for population reduction. All there is will be attitude adjustments and mitigation of so much death and misery. People will have to come to accept these deaths. The old, young, and unfortunate will die from a rainbow of deadly ends. We all know the 50 ways to die. I am in my 50’s and I fully accept a 10-20 year reduction in my own shelf life. I may get lucky and live to 70 but the odds are for the late boomers is a greatly reduced life span.

These Fargo folks are trying but it is a futile effort because BAU’s waste will be greatly diminished soon. Complexity to handle these systems will evaporate in entropic decay. What will be left will be salvage or scouring by the hungry masses in the looting of the last vestiges of BAU.

If we are lucky and a crisis shakes out slowly and without too much severity we may be able to descend in a hybrid of the best of BAU and the old ways closer to nature and our natural solar endowment. That is unlikely except in localized regions or communities. The likely result will be a mass die off of a 1BIL people then a strange stability followed by more die offs long and short in duration. These die offs will continue for a generation and could end in our extinction. This is the real preparation we should be focused on. This is reality and reality could give a shit about human exceptionalism. If you want to maybe survive then embrace reality and reality will work for you. Cross reality and she will grind you up into hamburger.

Rodster on Tue, 3rd Mar 2015 9:07 am 



“If we are lucky and a crisis shakes out slowly and without too much severity we may be able to descend in a hybrid of the best of BAU and the old ways closer to nature and our natural solar endowment.”

Wishful thinking. Man has always been and will always be greedy and will try to acquire as much control and power over others as it possibly can. Nothing has changed since man’s existence.

This BAU high speed train will continue until it’s too late and the wheels come off. TPTB are fully aware of the implications and nightmare scenarios. They don’t want pitchforks at their front doors. So they keep kicking the can down the road hoping some dumb phuck replaces them like Ben Bernanke did with Yellen.

Davy on Tue, 3rd Mar 2015 9:23 am 



Rodstar, I am with you on that one but I am trying to offer some kind of optimism. I am considered by most to be a doomist and an extreme pessimist. I would call myself a realist acknowledging pessimism with hopium for something more optimistic. Frankly we have little understanding of all this except that a BAUtopian world is dated.

Rodster on Tue, 3rd Mar 2015 9:37 am 



“I would call myself a realist”

The definition of a realist from Guy McPherson

Glass half full

Glass half empty

Piss (realist)

Davy on Tue, 3rd Mar 2015 9:47 am 



Hey, Rodstar, so what is your point hauncho? You are saying then a realist is a fence jocky? Please give me your take on the grand scheme of things like you are anymore gifted with the truth than anyone else. Good luck on your half full glass of piss impressing people.

GregT on Tue, 3rd Mar 2015 10:20 am 



Speed Racer,

“OK you are right. Lets dump the garbage into a big heap.”

You might want to re-read what you wrote above, and after that, re-read what I wrote.

I do not advocate further burning of fossil fuels, and I believe that BAU will end very badly for the human race. The sad fact of the matter is, 7 billion human beings generate garbage. Lots of garbage. It makes far more sense to recycle everything that can possibly be recycled, and to allow organics to be reduced to compost by natural processes, as opposed to incinerating everything in sight to generate even more energy to keep BAU going.

At this late stage in the game, it is not only our population numbers that are one of our biggest threats, it is the stuff that those populations consume. While it is possible to dramatically reduce consumption for us in the west, very few of us are willing to give up our comfortable lifestyles.

I already have plans in effect to greatly reduce my environmental footprint. You can do the same. Stop consuming stuff that ends up putting more garbage in our landfills, quit your job, stop using ICE transportation, grow your own food, and generate your own electricity.

If you are not attempting to be a part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Davy on Tue, 3rd Mar 2015 10:40 am 



Greg, I think about that every time I take the trash out. Mind you I am obsessive about efficiencies and conservation within the limits of having a woman and kids.

I look at the trash I generate and it is surreal. I think about that multiplied by millions. It just does not seem real. I also think about the salvage some day of these discarded products. I think about what we can use to replace all packaging in a post BAU world. Glass and wood come to mind as reusable packaging like it used to be.

I am soon to buy a higher end composter for organic waist. I burn cardboard but that is still CO2. Anyway you tweeked my mind with you comment.

antaris on Tue, 3rd Mar 2015 11:03 am 



Davy. One day the future people will mine our garbage dumps.

Davy on Tue, 3rd Mar 2015 11:36 am 



Ant, I think about that all the time because I am a doomer engaged in thinking about post BAU strategies. Much of our plastic containers can be reused. There is so much salvage in landfills, homes, businesses, industry, on and on.

Kenz300 on Tue, 3rd Mar 2015 12:05 pm 



Reduce, Reuse, Recycle………

We need to reduce the waste we generate and find uses for what remains…..

Seems like all that waste plastic waste should be recycled and used as raw material for new products.

apneaman on Tue, 3rd Mar 2015 12:16 pm 



Reduce & Reuse, those two never really took did they. N Americans reduce consumption? Never going to voluntarily happen. Goes against our true religion.
If the worlds non-white people would just stop breeding all our problems would go away. It’s not us it’s them.

Overpopulated by Homo Colossus

http://collapseofindustrialcivilization.com/2014/04/20/overpopulated-by-homo-colossus/

Go Speed Racer on Wed, 4th Mar 2015 4:08 am 



Greg why do you presume i toss out garbage? Do you? Why do you presume i believe in incinerating the banana peels rather than compost them? I sort out all my trash and the banana peels get composted.

I believe all the garbage should be gone thru with tweezers and recycle every last bottle cap and paper clip (that would be steel) and recycle every piece of glass, plastic, etc.

THEN you have got leftover all the crap that is only going to be burnable or dumpable that is it.

At that point, what are you going to do, burn it? or dump it? You are representing a block of people who are opposed to trash incineration and that is impractical.

I recycle absolutely everything and i produce no garbage. this is a fact. people tell me nobody knows more about recycling than me. i make regular runs to the scrap metal center. i pick up trash when i see it, and sometimes that is a pop can and sometimes that is a car bumper. i clean up after all the pigs called americans after they are done dumping their trash into the city park.

so i just don’t see why you presume i am some sort of problem, when i am recycling to a fanatical level just that i also have an outlet of using trash incineration in a practical way.

the stuff that is nto useful for anything else, i drop it off at a trash incinerator facility, ‘waste to energy’ and as a consequence, i produce no garbage.

are you still convinced i am the source of all the world problems? ok.

I noticed you told me to quit my job. ok, i will go to the supervisor in the morning and quit my job, explaining its because you told me to. thanks for the advice.

Kenz300 on Wed, 4th Mar 2015 11:14 pm 



For some people the perfect is the enemy of the good…….. that is why they make so little progress….

Every journey begins with a single step.