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Ebola and the Five Stages of Collapse

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At the moment, the Ebola virus is ravaging three countries—Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone—where it is doubling every few weeks, but singular cases and clusters of them are cropping up in dense population centers across the world. An entirely separate Ebola outbreak in the Congo appears to be contained, but illustrates an important point: even if the current outbreak (to which some are already referring as a pandemic) is brought under control, continuing deforestation and natural habitat destruction in the areas where the fruit bats that carry the virus live make future outbreaks quite likely.

Ebola’s mortality rate can be as high as 70%, but seems closer to 50% for the current major outbreak. This is significantly worse than the Bubonic plague, which killed off a third of Europe’s population. Previous Ebola outbreaks occurred in rural, isolated locales, where they quickly burned themselves out by infecting everyone within a certain radius, then running out of new victims. But the current outbreak has spread to large population centers with highly mobile populations, and the chances of such a spontaneous end to this outbreak seem to be pretty much nil.

Ebola has an incubation period of some three weeks during which patients remain asymptomatic and, specialists assure us, noninfectious. However, it is known that some patients remain asymptomatic throughout, in spite of having a strong inflammatory response, and can infect others. Nevertheless, we are told that those who do not present symptoms of Ebola—such as high fever, nausea, fatigue, bloody stool, bloody vomit, nose bleeds and other signs of hemorrhage—cannot infect others. We are also told that Ebola can only be spread through direct contact with the bodily fluids of an infected individual, but it is known that among pigs and monkeys Ebola can be spread through the air, and the possibility of catching it via a cough, a sneeze, a handrail or a toilet seat is impossible to discount entirely. It is notable that many of the medical staff who became infected did so in spite of wearing protective gear—face masks, gloves, goggles and body suits. In short, nothing will guarantee your survival short of donning a space suit or relocating to a space station.

There is a test that shows whether someone is infected with Ebola, but it is known to produce false negatives. Other methods do even worse. Current effort at “enhanced screening,” recently introduced at a handful of international airports, where passengers arriving from the affected countries are now being checked for fever, fatigue and nausea, are unlikely to stop infected, and infectious, individuals. They are akin to other “security theater” methods that are currently in vogue, such as making passengers take off their shoes and testing breast milk for its potential as an explosive. The fact that the thermometers, which agents point at people’s heads, are made to look like guns is a nice little touch; whoever came up with that idea deserves Homeland Security’s highest decoration—to be shaped like a bomb and worn rectally.

It is unclear what technique or combination of techniques could guarantee that Ebola would not spread. Even a month-long group quarantine for all travelers from all of the affected countries may provide the virus with a transmission path via asymptomatic, undiagnosed individuals. And even a quarantine that would amount to solitary confinement (which would be both impractical and illegal) would simply put evolutionary pressure on this fast-mutating virus to adapt and incubate longer than the period of the quarantine.

Treatment of Ebola victims amounts to hydration and palliative care. Transfusions of blood donated by a survivor seem to be the only effective therapy available. An experimental drug called ZMapp has been demonstrated to stop Ebola in non-human primates, but its effectiveness in humans is now known to be less than 100%. It is an experimental drug, made in small batches by infecting young tobacco plants with an eyedropper. Even if its production is scaled up, it will be too little and too late to have any measurable effect on the current epidemic. Likewise, experimental Ebola vaccines have been demonstrated to be effective in animal trials, and one has been shown to be safe in humans, but the process of demonstrating it effectiveness in humans and then producing it in sufficient quantities may take longer than it would for the virus to spread around the world.

The scenario in which Ebola engulfs the globe is not yet guaranteed, but neither can it be dismissed as some sort of apocalyptic fantasy: the chances of it happening are by no means zero. And if Ebola is not stopped, it has the potential to reduce the human population of the earth from over 7 billion to around 3.5 billion in a relatively short period of time. Note that even a population collapse of this magnitude is still well short of causing human extinction: after all, about half the victims fully recover and become immune to the virus. But supposing that Ebola does run its course, what sort of world will it leave in its wake? More importantly, now is a really good time to start thinking of ways in which people can adapt to the reality of a global Ebola pandemic, to avoid a wide variety of worst-case outcomes. After all, compared to some other doomsday scenarios, such as runaway climate change or global nuclear annihilation, a population collapse can look positively benign, and, given the completely unsustainable impact humans are currently having on the environment, may perhaps even come to be regarded as beneficial.

I understand that such thinking is anathema to those who feel that every problem must have a solution—or it’s not worth discussing. I certainly don’t want to discourage those who are trying to stop Ebola, or to delay its spread until a vaccine becomes available, and would even help them if I could. I am not suicidal, and I don’t look forward to the death of roughly half the people I know. But I happen to disagree that thinking about what such an outcome, and perhaps even preparing for it in some ways, is necessarily a bad idea. Unless, of course, it produces a panic. So, if you are prone to panic, perhaps you shouldn’t be reading this.

And so, for the benefit of those who are not particularly panic-prone, I am going to trot out my old technique of examining collapse as consisting of five distinct stages: financial, commercial, political, social and cultural, and briefly discuss the various ramifications of a swift 50% global population collapse when viewed through that prism. If you want to know all about the five stages, my book is widely available.

Financial collapse

Our current set of financial arrangements, involving very large levels of debt leading to artificially high valuations placed on stocks, commodities, real estate, and Ph.D’s in economics, is underpinned by a key assumption: that the global economy is going to continue to grow. Yes, global growth started stumbling around the turn of the century, stopped for a while during the financial collapse of 2008, and has since then remained anemic, with even the most tentative signs of recovery having much to do with unlimited money-printing by the world’s central banks, but the economics Ph.D’s remain ever so hopeful that growth will resume. Nevertheless, this much is clear: halving the number of workers and consumers would not be conducive to boosting economic growth.

Quite the opposite: it would mean that most debt will have to be written off. Likewise, the valuations of companies that would supply half the demand with half the workers would be unlikely to go up. Nor would the houses, half of which would stand vacant and dilapidated, increase in value. If the supply of oil suddenly outstrips demand by 50%, then this would cause the price of oil to drop to a point where it no longer covers the cost of producing it, and oil producers will be forced to shut down. This would not be a happy event for those countries that are heavily dependent on energy exports in order to afford imports of food to feed their populations. Nor would such developments spell a happy end for those countries that need to continuously roll over trillions of dollars of short-term debt in order to continue feeding their populations via government hand-outs (the United States comes to mind).

“But what about wealth preservation?!” I hear some of my readers screaming in anguish? “How do I hedge my portfolio against a sudden 50% global population drop?” Well, that’s easy: you need to be short all paper. Short it all: currency, stocks, bonds, debt instruments, deeds on urban real estate. Get out of most commodities: energy, obviously, but also precious metals, because you can’t eat gold. Go long people (who will be in ever-shorter supply) and arable land (because people have to eat) and stockpile everything else that they will need to learn to feed themselves. If they are sufficiently grateful for all you help, they will feed you too. Alternatively, you can just sit on your paper wealth as it dwindles to nothing, and wait for the torches and the pitchforks to come out. Since wealthy people squander a disproportionate amount of wealth on themselves and their families, killing them off is a good wealth preservation strategy—for the rest of us, so feel free to do your part.

Commercial collapse

It would be a challenge to keep global supply chains in operation while commodity prices plummet in value, credit becomes unavailable, and other knock-on effects of financial collapse make themselves felt. Since a lot of production depends on overseas suppliers, it would shut down shortly after international credit becomes unavailable. Countries that have food security, strong central control, many state-owned companies and long-term barter agreements with other countries (Russia and China come to mind) may find it possible to switch their economies into the old command and control mode, so that the few products that are key for keeping the survivors alive remain available.

It should be expected that certain forms of production—those particularly capital intensive—would disappear entirely. Examples might include integrated circuit manufacturing, pharmaceutical industry, offshore oil drilling, satellite technology and so on. Certain long-lasting forms of technology, such as manual printing presses, manual typewriters and solar panel-powered shortwave radios, would remain in use, treasured and passed along as technological heirlooms.

For many operations, different staffing arrangements would need to be put in place. For instance, ships would need to double their crews, in expectation that at least half the crew might drop dead during any given trip. This would not be as problematic as it sounds: during the age of discovery it was not unusual for half the crew to be lost during a voyage from causes ranging from blunt trauma to scurvy. The shift to double-staffing would be particularly important for operations that affect public safety in a major way, nuclear power plants in particular.

Political collapse

A 50% reduction in global population would no doubt accelerate the already speedy process by which nation-states fail and turn into ungovernable regions. Not a year goes by without one or two more countries joining their ranks: Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Ukraine… Several African countries may join this list before the year is out.

Especially at risk are those countries that would be unable to continue feeding their populations once oil prices plummet. Saudi Arabia, for instance, would be quickly wiped out as a country once the vast welfare state supported by the House of Saud ceases to function. As soon as that happens, Saudi Arabia would become a particularly soft target for the Islamic Caliphate, with very interesting consequences for the entire region.

There is one effect that would be common to all countries, or at least to those who have not yet undergone political collapse: since the population would become much younger, gerontocracy would become a thing of the past. The swift die-off would cause life expectancies to plummet, but we should expect the effect to be much more pronounced at the higher end of the spectrum. In many of the prosperous, developed countries in particular, there is currently a very large bulge near the geriatric end of the age spectrum. In these countries, people have been living longer and longer thanks to aggressive medical interventions: cancer surgeries, drug regimens and a variety of therapies. Many of these people are living longer but in increasingly poor health, and we should expect Ebola to carry them off in disproportionately large numbers. Organizations such as the US senate, with an average age over 60, would be expected to lose much more than half of their members—to most Americans’ inordinate glee, if public survey numbers are to be believed.

For those countries that manage to remain stable, the disproportionately heavy die-off among the aged may pave the way to large-scale economic and political reforms. Older people tend to vote more than the young, and they tend to vote for the preservation of the status quo rather than for change. This pattern is particularly clear in some countries, such as the US, where older people vote to maintain the privileges that had accrued to them during prosperous times, thereby depriving their children and grandchildren of a viable future. The demographic projection where soon there will be just two working-age people supporting each retiree would be invalidated. Other types of rapid positive change may occur; for instance, many academic disciplines, in which nothing can change until the old guard dies, may begin to see rapid progress.

Social collapse

There would likely to be a wide spectrum of outcomes. Those communities that are ethnically homogenous, well-defended, strongly bound together by conservative and uniform social and religious traditions, with a history of favoring self-sufficiency and perseverance, would be likely to survive and recover. On the other hand, those communities that are ethnically diverse with a history of bigotry, racism and ethnic strife, with weak, optional, or nonexistent standards of public morality, which are integrated into the global economy in non-optional ways, and which are unaccustomed to hardship, are likely to perish.

Cultural collapse

The cultures most favored to survive would be those that can be preserved autonomously at a small scale. Particularly favored to survive would be those that have a strong oral tradition, teach their own children within families rather than submitting them to government-run schools, and insist on internal systems of jurisprudence and governance in defiance of any external interference. It is hard to imagine that the Roma of the Balkans or the Pashtuns of Waziristan would fail to pass on their culture just because half of them suddenly die. Such circumstances may sound dire to most of us, but to these long-suffering tribes it’s a sunny day in the park and a boat-ride on the pond, and they would be sure to add a few epic poems about it to their repertoire once it’s over.

At the other extreme are those cultures that depend entirely on book-learning, and have a writing system sufficiently abstruse to require many years of schooling just to achieve a basic level of literacy (English, Chinese). Education relies on transmitting information from those who are older to those who are younger, and as the die-off compresses the age spectrum toward its younger end, the number of teachers will dwindle. Coupled with other inevitable disruptions, formal schooling may become impossible in many areas, resulting, a generation or so later, in very low levels of literacy. Severed from its main mechanism for acquiring knowledge, the culture of the people in such areas would disintegrate. At the very far end of the spectrum are found roving bands of feral children, speaking a language that no adult is able to understand. It is at this point that we are able to conclude that cultural collapse has run its course.

Mitigation strategies

I have already mentioned that it may be a good idea to make arrangements through which survivors would be able to feed themselves, and provide them with the few other necessities for survival.

Beyond that, there are the basic mechanics of handling the pandemic. The current strategy treats it as a medical problem, best handled by doctors and nurses working in hospitals and clinics. This strategy only works for as long as the epidemic can be said to be under control; once it can be said to be out of control, the surviving doctors and nurses (medics are usually the first to be exposed—and to die) would be well advised to specifically refuse to handle Ebola patients.

In absence of any curative or preventive therapies, Ebola patients need shelter, hydration, hygiene, palliative care and, if and when they die, sanitary disposal of the remains. The goal is to do what is possible to give patients a chance to recover more or less on their own. To this end, it is very important to do all the things necessary to make sure that people are dying just from Ebola, and not from exposure, dehydration, or from any of the opportunistic diseases that thrive in disrupted circumstances, such as cholera and typhus. Sanitation is the most important aspect of the entire operation.

These services need not be provided by trained medics. The main two requirements for such service are: 1. psychological immunity to scenes of horrific suffering and death; and 2. immunity to Ebola. The first of these requirements comes down to natural talent; some have it, some don’t. The second requirement is being provided free of charge by the Ebola virus itself, in cooperation with the survivors’ immune systems.

English lacks a good word to describe this type of specialist, but we don’t have to reach far to find one: the Russian word for it is “sanitar.” A popular Russian saying goes “wolves are sanitars of the forest” because they take care of disposing of the sick, the weak and the lame, thus giving those that survive a better chance. A sanitar need not be medically trained, but some training is needed: in diagnosis, palliative care, sanitation procedures and corpse disposal.

A third requirement is one that applies to the sanitation service as a whole: the number of sanitars has to scale with the rate of infection. Since the number of those infected is increasing exponentially, the number of sanitars assigned to serve them has to be able to increase exponentially as well. It seems outlandish to think that sufficient numbers of people will spontaneously volunteer for the job, and this means that they have to be press-ganged into service. And a super-obvious way to do just that is to simply never discharge Ebola survivors: once you are in, you are in until the pandemic is over, or until you die, whichever comes first. If you recover, you are given a bit of training, and then you go to work.

If you don’t like the mitigation strategy I am proposing, please feel free to propose your own. Keep in mind, however, that what you propose has to automatically scale with the increase in the rate of infection, which is exponential. Sure, you can propose setting a public health budget, but then it has to double every couple of weeks—and keep doubling until the number of patients is in the billions.

ClubOrlov by Dmitry Orlov



33 Comments on "Ebola and the Five Stages of Collapse"

  1. herrmeier on Fri, 10th Oct 2014 4:14 pm 

    Lucky Dmitry. He has new material. What about Kunstler? Did he already do the ebola exercise, predicting certain meltdown of everything with 100% certainty by no later than next week?

  2. Welch on Fri, 10th Oct 2014 4:47 pm 

    @ herrmeier So true. The doomers will love it.

  3. Northwest Resident on Fri, 10th Oct 2014 5:07 pm 

    I’m a doomer. I don’t “love it”. What’s to love?

  4. Perk Earl on Fri, 10th Oct 2014 5:29 pm 

    Scientists discovered a cure for Ebola for Chimps, http://healthmap.org/site/diseasedaily/article/did-scientists-just-discover-cure-ebola-62212

    so it won’t be long before they develop one for people. This illustrates why being at an informational-thought level in which cures can be found for what would otherwise become a pandemic and reduce world population, is partly why our population keeps rising, running roughshod over the planet nixing 50% of the wild kingdom in just the last 40 years. Nature cannot appreciably reduce our numbers, so nature gets eliminated to make room for more of us.

  5. MSN Fanboy on Fri, 10th Oct 2014 5:57 pm 

    “In short, nothing will guarantee your survival short of donning a space suit or relocating to a space station.”

    WOW, a fear mongering article, who knew.

    Peak oil i belive.. ebola……. come on. Any excuse

  6. Davy on Fri, 10th Oct 2014 6:05 pm 

    I see a much lower threshold for collapse. We can look at a pandemic killing 10% of the critical part of the population as a tipping point. I am talking those people that keep things running. A pandemic will affect food and fuel to do a knock on effect as a collapse contagions causing more death by famine and systematic failures. A 10% reduction in liquid fuels and a food shortage over three weeks could be an Ebola knock on economic contagion is not out of the question in many locations.

  7. JuanP on Fri, 10th Oct 2014 6:26 pm 

    I found this article fascinating. Orlov at his best.
    I noticed he mentioned the disproportionate amount of deaths among the elderly, but he failed to mention that the same can be expected among small young children, particularly those under 5 years old, and among people with other health issues.

  8. shortonoil on Fri, 10th Oct 2014 6:33 pm 

    The real question is whether, or not there are other reservoirs for the disease. We know the fruit bat in Africa is one, but we have no idea what they could be in the Americas. If it turned out to be something as common as a house mouse, which can already spread several viruses, this monster will probably never be eradicated. Dying an agonizing death in a pool of your vomit, and blood isn’t something anyone would do just to say “I told you so”! I don’t think this has anything to do with “doomers” vs Pollyannas.

  9. JuanP on Fri, 10th Oct 2014 6:38 pm 

    Perk, I followed the link, it said that two out of four monkeys died any way, so?
    And the issue with potential vaccines and medications is scaling production fast enough to catch up with an epidemic that doubles in size every three weeks. That kind of exponential growth is a bitch. There will be 1.2 million people infected by January according to the UN’s World Health Organization. If this isn’t stopped before the year is over, it will become impossible to contain, IMO.
    I fear we may be past the point of no return with this Ebola Virus Disease epidemic and that it will become endemic worldwide in less than two years. Time will tell if I’m right or wrong.

  10. ghung on Fri, 10th Oct 2014 7:34 pm 

    I’m with Juan and others; seems like a pretty good, if glum, synopsis of the situation. Even if they come up with a vaccination and whip this thing, the costs will be (already are) enormous for permanently stressed economies.

    Death by a thousand cuts,, and some are bigger than others. Bleeed, baby….

  11. noobtube on Fri, 10th Oct 2014 10:22 pm 

    aids sars avian bird flu anthrax h1n1 swine flu mad cow disease

    It always starts, somewhere… over there. And, it just so happens to have Americans around to study it, name it, and promote it, in the media.

    What a coincidence!

  12. dissident on Fri, 10th Oct 2014 10:22 pm 

    If 50% die from Ebola, then the associated collapse will lead to the death of yet more. So we would be looking at a situation where 20% may survive. No civilization collapse in the modern era is going to be peaceful and controlled.

    But if survivors of this virus are indeed immune then this virus is not as hopelessly bad as it is being made out to be. It is not like HIV. The thing about giving blood of survivors to the infected is all about the antibodies in the survivor blood. It is strange that they have not yet developed a vaccine. A vaccine is made from neutralized virus (i.e. with its nucleus removed).

  13. Sierra Dave on Fri, 10th Oct 2014 10:35 pm 

    I’m not sure society anywhere will survive with the brain drain that will occur.

    When it gets bad enough, people will stop showing for work. And when the pandemic dies down. There won’t be enough knowledgeable people to run power plants, water plants, waste treatment, and airports, etc.

    Imagine the dead all over and other diseases that will spring up.

  14. Dave Thompson on Fri, 10th Oct 2014 10:52 pm 

    No mention of the 440 some odd nukes on the planet that will go into catastrophic meltdown once the oil fired cooling systems go down, not to mention how many highly skilled workers needed to maintain the systems involved.

  15. clueless on Fri, 10th Oct 2014 11:12 pm 

    US Government holds patent on Ebola Virus….now do the math.

  16. clueless on Fri, 10th Oct 2014 11:27 pm 

    ….then the Big US Pharmaceutical will hold the patent for this antidote, but they wanted for the virus to mutate first into different pathogens so as the sheeple will get scared. Eventually the sheeple will depend on the Govt.for protection, which happens to be the creator of the virus plus it’s antidote.

    LOL.

    It’s Americas’ vicious cycle…since time immemorial.

    Get ready with your hazmat suits and masks.

    Now!!!!!

  17. Makati1 on Sat, 11th Oct 2014 4:49 am 

    Some here see the US connections:

    1. Just conveniently an excuse to station US troops in Africa,

    2. just happens to be patented (owned) by the US,

    3. just happens to be impossible to make enough vaccine in time to save Africa,(the elite already have theirs.)

    4.just happens that the US ordered 160,000 hazmat suits months ago,

    5. just happens that there are hundreds of thousands of airtight coffin liners now stationed around the US,

    6. just happens to be an excuse for Marshal Law in the US,

    7. just happens to be a convenient excuse for the financial collapse that is coming,

    8. just happens….

    Biological warfare is not new to America. After all, we are no more than ‘collateral’ damage now. ‘Eaters’ that the elite want to cull by the billions.

    I will admit, disease is better than nukes. It leaves a functional biosphere for the survivors.

  18. Davy on Sat, 11th Oct 2014 5:42 am 

    Diss, your 20% survival figure is very possible when you combine the 50% death rate with systematic collapse. I have been dooming on Ebola lately. Ebola could be indeed our blackest of swans. The important points with a pandemic induced contraction are critical absenteeism, indirect absenteeism, confidence criticality, supply chain disruption, and network disruptions. Ebola is a particularly dangerous pathogen because of the high death rate so the impact of absenteeism lacks recovery. People are dead and gone. Critical skills and knowledge dissipated by death. When we look at Ebola spread we have to consider the effects to the supply chain. We would have the absenteeism deaths but then the indirect effects of others not being able to work and critical supply unavailable to the productive process. In a few weeks the economy can go critical where supply chain organs shut down. The longer this shutdown period the less likely a reboot. This is all happening in interdependence with all the other vital networks. We can expect financial crisis, transportation disruption, health care failures, energy disruptions, and food insecurity. It is important to remember the essential nodes of the global economy and their higher complexity. It is when these nodes are struck that the dangers accelerate because of the increased dangers of complexity disruptions. So, West Africa may go some time before societal failure because of the low complexity and the fact that essential global nodes are intact. If we let this infection propagate without good quarantine in the critical global nodes we could have systematic failure early in the infection period. Our global system is too tightly wound up because of just-in-time inventories, dispersed manufacturing, lack of staff redundancies, and global exchange dependence. Efficiency and complexity is good for low level disruptions say an earthquake in Japan but there is a critical point where the breakdown accelerates quickly from low resilience from interdependence disruptions. We need only look a Liebig’s law to know our vulnerabilities. I am not sure society can react fast enough or if we have the ability because of money, global cooperative dysfunction, and the speed of modern transport. We could be overwhelmed because of how fast this can establish and how dispersed it can become through modern transport. We see a cascading failure potential with time and the spread rate. Since West Africa is insignificant to the system as a whole we still have time but if this establishes elsewhere quarantine effectiveness will be lost. At some point the system failure rate would be non-linear.

  19. shortonoil on Sat, 11th Oct 2014 9:06 am 

    “Since West Africa is insignificant to the system as a whole we still have time but if this establishes elsewhere quarantine effectiveness will be lost. At some point the system failure rate would be non-linear.”

    You have said this before, and it is not true. West Africa produces 2.5 mb/d of some of the finest crude available, and it is not replaceable. 11% of US imports come from West Africa. If this plaque shuts those fields down, and they are in the heart of the pandemic along the coast, the market will go crazy. Our entire economy is now walking on very thin ice; one disruption of this magnitude could submerge us into the icy blackness below.

  20. Davy on Sat, 11th Oct 2014 9:39 am 

    Short, point taken. My point is West Africa (excluding oil) is not critical in the respect to globally important financial markets, global command and control, production, and distribution so the failure time factor is clearly different. Complexity and rate of cascading failures are different in this time dimension. West African oil production is a market disrupter no doubt but not a system kill switch like what could occur in Europe, US, China, Russia, and Japan with a Minsky moment from out of control infections damaging the economy. I have mentioned what a 10% reduction in liquid fuels can do to an economy. I have seen reports that that indicates a 50% reduction in discretionary and non-emergency fuel usage from a 10% reduction in liquid fuels. I am well aware of Nigerian production importance. If West Africa was at the higher level of “critical” we would already be in failure zone. Instead they are exporting some infections but no systematic contagions as of yet. This would be quite different if the above critical nodes were failing IMHO.

  21. MSN Fanboy on Sat, 11th Oct 2014 1:52 pm 

    …. Do you chaps listen to yourself?

    Ebola, ffs why not swine flu or sars…

    Its one thing saying peak oil will collapse civilisation…

    but ebola, fucking idiots.

  22. Edward Boyle on Sat, 11th Oct 2014 4:26 pm 

    Everything together will collapse civilization. This is like asking what killed Rome. Like when somebody loses job, ok but job,wife,house, realy sick , bankrupt. This is what is happening now to earth? We have overstressed our society, environment and war, drought,floods, disease, economic dysfunction all just signs of global immune system failing. Ebolais a scare, perhaps more. GW, PO, debt, 6th extinction, rising seas, overpopulation, topsoil and water table depletion. It is a complete systems crisis. If I live on the moon in a closed atmosphere everything is controlled. If we were serious we would control everyrthing.
    life length, birth numbers like in china, air quality must be perfect, drip water char farming, purest water control, garbage not allowed, 100% recyclabilty, no exhaust fumes,, pure vegetarianism, etc.

  23. ghung on Sat, 11th Oct 2014 5:21 pm 

    “….pure vegetarianism..”

    Not I said the omnnivore. Local grass-fed porterhouses, medium rare tonight at the shack. Home grown new red potatoes and wax beans followed by apple pie made with real lard.

  24. ghung on Sat, 11th Oct 2014 5:23 pm 

    Once again Fanboy displays his lacking any ability to think systemically.

  25. Davy on Sat, 11th Oct 2014 5:48 pm 

    G, made an apple pie with local apples today. I used coconut oil and maple syrup. Mom always used butter and white sugar. I have thought about lard as an alternative to coconut oil if we have food shortages post BAU. I love fish fried in lard. Lard will be a post BAU oil around here.

  26. GregT on Sat, 11th Oct 2014 6:06 pm 

    Fanboy said:

    “Do you chaps listen to yourself?”

    Personally, I listen to my wife. She happens to be a clinical pathologist. Her peers, and herself, are EXTREMELY concerned about the Ebola virus.

    You can continue being one of the uninformed masses, and a fucking idiot. What you don’t know, couldn’t possibly hurt you, now could it?

  27. Chris Hill on Sat, 11th Oct 2014 10:13 pm 

    Population control through whatever method would solve most of the world’s problems, and maybe let it transition beyond finite resources. Can’t see that happening, though.

    As far as Ebola, I’d go long stored food, garden tools and clothes for skinny people. Most other durable goods should remain in decent supply due to the lack of users.

  28. Makati1 on Sun, 12th Oct 2014 12:23 am 

    Embarrassing. I actually recognize the picture source. “Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom”. Not only that but I have it on DVD…lol.

    I see that the Four Horsemen are finally riding out. Will there be a ‘fat lady’ left to sing at the end? We shall see.

  29. Northwest Resident on Sun, 12th Oct 2014 2:23 am 

    For a global economy under extreme duress, a plague could very well be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. My guess though is that the authorities are going to get a handle on this Ebola outbreak. It isn’t airborne that we know of. The case in Dallas was the result of a clearly FUBAR medical staff and not likely to be repeated. They’re going to start looking really hard at passengers returning from Africa. Ebola is probably going to end up being just one more of those bricks piled up on the brittle and cracking foundation that BAU is built on. I do think though that if it isn’t Ebola, it will be some other plague at some point in time that humanity will have to suffer before this collapse is all said and done.

  30. John B. on Sun, 12th Oct 2014 6:38 pm 

    Business As Usual is the soup de jour simply because it is easier to react to events rather than actually planning ahead. This entire EbOLa pending crisis was foreseen by Laurie Garrett twenty years ago and well documented in her book “The Coming Plague”. Who listened? Very few IMO. And even with the writing on the wall now, it’s still only a few who listen. One difficulty with this is that the VAST majority of people have a poor understanding of science and cannot think logically. Worse still is that they turn you off if you cannot explain the complexities in five minutes. Brainwashed into believing all will be OK and that understanding is optional. (sigh)

    Take the advice of Linus Pauling found in his book “How To Live Longer and Feel Better”. It just might save your ass in the event ebOLa “goes viral” on the planet. Rebuilding society and culture will take care of itself.

  31. VirusCancerKiller on Mon, 13th Oct 2014 5:45 am 

    Let’s forget about Laurie Garrett’s blah – blah – blah – She couldn’t know, that the greatest discovery in more than 2 million years of humankind on Earth will have been made before her “coming plague” – In fact Ebola virus is not a problem at all (like any other viruses – HIV, Colds, Flues, Malaria, Yellow Fever, etc.) and can be eradicated in a matter of a few days – I got the all viruses, bio-weapons and cancers devastating destroyer to cure and prevent everyone, if I am paid 50 billion EURO for the whole world – Doing a simple exercise for a minute a day, everybody will stay absolutely healthy all the time (Just like me), all life long – never getting sick of any diseases even for a second, as any viruses, any bio-weapons, any cancers, diabetes and strokes are killed the moment they touch us and by that made absolutely none-existent for everyone of us.

  32. John B on Mon, 13th Oct 2014 7:31 am 

    Viruscancerkiller…. Yeah right. (said in deepest sardonic tone ) And the world is supposed to trust someone who has ONLY his/ her best and selfish interests in mind. LMAO. Speaking for all of us who know better, guess what? You can’t take it with you so why want it in the first place?

  33. joyfulbozo on Tue, 14th Oct 2014 2:29 am 

    Hey,
    I was thinking long-term:
    Should an island like country should close there borders and do not allow any immigrant to enter their territory in fear of Ebola virus

    But the reality is, I realize a total blockade is impossible and, the moment word gets out that the island is Ebola-free, people will try to go there, bringing the disease with them.
    But there is also one fact that one immigrant can save the people inside. What do you think? Let me know. Thank you

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